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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 21, 2015 10:04:39 GMT -5
I think she might have, getting rid of the Tyrells has taken over everything in her mind, and Joffery was already falling under Margaery's sway. The difference is, as you say, Joffery would fight back, and there'd be a total bloodbath. Part of me question if Cersei would've gotten that far though. Joffrey definitely would have attended those Small Council meetings, so I doubt that Cersei would have been able to disband so many of it's members. Wouldn't need to, Jof'd have them all killed. |
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2015 10:52:06 GMT -5
Joffrey would be like the second coming of Maegor the Cruel.
Tommen is looking to become another Aenys.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 21, 2015 12:34:40 GMT -5
Joffrey would be like the second coming of Maegor the Cruel. Tommen is looking to become another Aenys. Well, he is King Butters... |
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on May 21, 2015 15:02:24 GMT -5
I haven't read the books but I'm thinking this might be starting to lead to the downfall of the Lannister family or at least Cersei.
I'm also going to assume that the death of her father and son has made Cersai a bit unhinged, because even if she hasn't always been the smartest character, right now she's making some really boneheaded plays.
How does the Tyrell army compete with the Lannister forces? It sounds like the Tyrells resources are pretty vast and it seems like they are looked upon more fondly than the Lannisters.
You would hope think if anyone had spies in the King's court they would be like "yo, Tommen is a little bitch, Cersai has lost it, Jamie is MIA, Tywin is dead, Tyrion is MIA, the Queen is in jail with her brother, let's make some moves!" but it seems like everyone that could make any plays has other business going on.
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Post by Cela on May 21, 2015 16:18:24 GMT -5
I haven't read the books but I'm thinking this might be starting to lead to the downfall of the Lannister family or at least Cersei. I'm also going to assume that the death of her father and son has made Cersai a bit unhinged, because even if she hasn't always been the smartest character, right now she's making some really boneheaded plays. How does the Tyrell army compete with the Lannister forces? It sounds like the Tyrells resources are pretty vast and it seems like they are looked upon more fondly than the Lannisters. You would hope think if anyone had spies in the King's court they would be like "yo, Tommen is a little bitch, Cersai has lost it, Jamie is MIA, Tywin is dead, Tyrion is MIA, the Queen is in jail with her brother, let's make some moves!" but it seems like everyone that could make any plays has other business going on. The Lannisters are bigger on paper. They have the crown, so technically they have the loyalty of the other houses. They also have the largest army. However, they ran out of money long ago, so their army is based entirely on loans that they have taken out of the Bank of Bravos. The Tyrells have the second biggest army, and money. Tyrells would likely take this in a month. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 21, 2015 16:28:10 GMT -5
Joffrey would be like the second coming of Maegor the Cruel. Tommen is looking to become another Aenys. How funny is it that the series is literally showing that there are some downsides to Joffrey's death. Being king is more than torturing little girls. However, it's also more than stamping letters and sleeping with the queen as well. |
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Post by walterharrow on May 21, 2015 16:30:29 GMT -5
The Wall/Jon and Braavos/Arya storylines have been the best of the season so far in my opinion (ive seen a few people complain about the pace of the braavos storyline but I think the writing and the atmosphere in those scenes have been brilliant)
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2015 16:49:29 GMT -5
Joffrey would be like the second coming of Maegor the Cruel. Tommen is looking to become another Aenys. How funny is it that the series is literally showing that there are some downsides to Joffrey's death. Being king is more than torturing little girls. However, it's also more than stamping letters and sleeping with the queen as well. The problem with Tommen is that he's the anti-Joffrey. Both are terrible kings for different reasons. Well, besides being children with an incredibly selfish, paranoid mother who isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is. Though she does come off as a bit smarter and more aware of things in the show compared to the books. Joffrey is strong-willed and gets results, but is also a sadistic asshole with bloodlust. Much like Maegor the Cruel. And like Aenys I, Tommen cares too much about people liking him that it makes him a naive pushover and he easily gets manipulated by Cersei and to a lesser extent, Margarey. Of course this goes mainly for Show Tommen. In the books, Tommen doesn't really do a whole lot because he's a little kid. But they had to make him older in the show because actors age and the child and teen characters are all much older than they were in the books. Cersei wants to be Visenya Targaryen. I knew Visenya Targaryen, and you, ma'am, are no Visenya Targaryen. Though if the parallels to Maegor and Aenys are intentional, it means the next person to sit on the Iron Throne will have as long and prosperous a reign as Jaehaerys I. |
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on May 21, 2015 17:35:51 GMT -5
The Lannisters are bigger on paper. They have the crown, so technically they have the loyalty of the other houses. They also have the largest army. However, they ran out of money long ago, so their army is based entirely on loans that they have taken out of the Bank of Bravos. The Tyrells have the second biggest army, and money. Tyrells would likely take this in a month. I guess my next question would be: Which great houses would support the Lannisters if the Tyrells break their alliance? • The Bolton's don't seem to care now that Tywin is dead. They as have a Baratheon army headed their way. • The Frey's probably? • Would the Greyjoy's care either way? • Littlefinger would back whoever he thought had the best chance of winning. • Can't see the Martell's being quick to send any troops. I guess that leaves the smaller houses, but maybe more people would rebel and start to back the Tyrells since they seem to have the better public image. |
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Post by chrom on May 21, 2015 17:52:46 GMT -5
Joffrey would be like the second coming of Maegor the Cruel. Tommen is looking to become another Aenys. How funny is it that the series is literally showing that there are some downsides to Joffrey's death. Being king is more than torturing little girls. However, it's also more than stamping letters and sleeping with the queen as well. You mean Tywin's, let's all admit it. Tywin was the real power there, if he was dead and Joffrey still alive, Westeros would be so ruined The White Walkers wouldn't even bother. And let's look at The Tyrells, you might say that Olenna is also the real power of the family. Mace is a buffoon who acts like putting one foot in front of the other is a great accomplishment. |
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Post by Fundertaker on May 21, 2015 18:21:16 GMT -5
If anything they would hasten preperations to try and take a kingdom of their own once again.
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Post by Cela on May 21, 2015 18:38:44 GMT -5
If anything they would hasten preperations to try and take a kingdom of their own once again. The Greyjoys exist only to be giant douchebags with no endgame. "PILLAGE! Oh god, why did we not bring any provisions!? BECAUSE WE DO NOT PLAN AHEAD! #KRAKEN #WIDMND!!!!!" |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 21, 2015 21:34:19 GMT -5
How funny is it that the series is literally showing that there are some downsides to Joffrey's death. Being king is more than torturing little girls. However, it's also more than stamping letters and sleeping with the queen as well. You mean Tywin's, let's all admit it. Tywin was the real power there, if he was dead and Joffrey still alive, Westeros would be so ruined The White Walkers wouldn't even bother. And let's look at The Tyrells, you might say that Olenna is also the real power of the family. Mace is a buffoon who acts like putting one foot in front of the other is a great accomplishment. Seems to always be the case with Tywin. It was the same way when he was hand of the king under Aerys. Mace Tyrell is lord in name only. Politically, Olenna runs the family, as you mentioned and militarily, Randyll Tarly does all the work that Mace then takes credit for. |
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Post by ICBM on May 22, 2015 6:15:08 GMT -5
There is an elephant in the room. The militant faithful and the Hight Septon are far too powerful when they can arrest royal family members at will and torture
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Post by Crimson on May 22, 2015 8:01:32 GMT -5
How does the Tyrell army compete with the Lannister forces? It sounds like the Tyrells resources are pretty vast and it seems like they are looked upon more fondly than the Lannisters. If I remember correctly, Tywin actually depleted his forces in his effort to overwhelm Robb Stark by sheer numbers. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 22, 2015 8:41:31 GMT -5
If anything they would hasten preperations to try and take a kingdom of their own once again. The Greyjoys exist only to be giant douchebags with no endgame. "PILLAGE! Oh god, why did we not bring any provisions!? BECAUSE WE DO NOT PLAN AHEAD! #KRAKEN #WIDMND!!!!!" I like how they are referred to at r/asoiaf, the Assholes from Dickhead Island |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 22, 2015 9:51:55 GMT -5
How does the Tyrell army compete with the Lannister forces? It sounds like the Tyrells resources are pretty vast and it seems like they are looked upon more fondly than the Lannisters. If I remember correctly, Tywin actually depleted his forces in his effort to overwhelm Robb Stark by sheer numbers. He did. That's why he needed the the Reach's armies to begin with. |
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Post by Crimson on May 22, 2015 11:47:04 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Tywin actually depleted his forces in his effort to overwhelm Robb Stark by sheer numbers. He did. That's why he needed the the Reach's armies to begin with. It's funny, it was utlimately a shallow victory for Tywin in the end. For all his back room deals, Tywin never got to live to see it all payoff and now his daughter in burning what's left of his legacy to the ground. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 24, 2015 20:09:17 GMT -5
"Your name is Toby!"
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 24, 2015 20:15:52 GMT -5
You know, I'm pretty sure Sansa could take Ramsay in a shoot fight
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