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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:35:38 GMT -5
She protected her Dragon, and was the target by the harpies, they left after she left. Well then they really are a bunch of morons having her trusted council by the balls and letting them live to retaliate. The Sons are aristocrats with no formal military training, no obvious field leadership, and horrible morale. They're a glorified peasant revolt with fancy clothes. When a giant reptile that cooks people with its breath shows up out of nowhere, assassinating a few retainers is probably pretty low on the to-do list. Much lower than "Run for your life."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:48:01 GMT -5
And everyone on Team Stannis just got a rude awakening.
He is not the chosen one, he never was. If he was, then why didnt he win at Blackwater bay? Surely the chosen one would have been better placed to fight the white walkers if he had taken the throne.
All in all hes won only 1 battle and that was against the wildlings who were already beaten. So he has won nothing important as the wildlings didn't join him and lost when it counted.
He isn't going to beat the Boltons, and killing his only child isn't going to change that. The Nights Watch are not going to give him the supplies he needs, as they already fully supplyed him. How much can they have left?
Since the show started Ive been firmly on #TEAMTARGARYEN but damn was that last scene crappy. It was a great oportunity to show Danny as a ruler by having her Dragon kill everyone, but she just runs away.
And finally I prey that there will be no more Dorne scenes. That whole stortline has been so bad, they might as well rename Dorne: Aces and Eights
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 7, 2015 22:48:31 GMT -5
The Sons are aristocrats with no formal military training, no obvious field leadership, and horrible morale. They're a glorified peasant revolt with fancy clothes. When a giant reptile that cooks people with its breath shows up out of nowhere, assassinating a few retainers is probably pretty low on the to-do list. Much lower than "Run for your life." So, a bunch of aristocrats with no formal military training, no obvious field leadership, and horrible morale, nearly killed a Dragon, forced it to retreat and have consistently out-maneuvered the supposedly elite Unsullied soldiers. Jeez, if Daenerys went to war with anyone with a half decent army she would get smashed.
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Post by Cela on Jun 7, 2015 22:54:00 GMT -5
Upon second watching, is it safe to say Doran sent the viper threat to King's landing to get Trystane on the small council and make him second in line for the throne due to his marriage to Myrcella?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:58:47 GMT -5
The Sons are aristocrats with no formal military training, no obvious field leadership, and horrible morale. They're a glorified peasant revolt with fancy clothes. When a giant reptile that cooks people with its breath shows up out of nowhere, assassinating a few retainers is probably pretty low on the to-do list. Much lower than "Run for your life." So, a bunch of aristocrats with no formal military training, no obvious field leadership, and horrible morale, nearly killed a Dragon and forced it to retreat and have consistently out-maneuvered the supposedly elite Unsullied soldiers. Jeez, if Daenerys went to war with anyone with a half decent army she would get smashed. The Unsullied are hoplites who are trained in the phalanx, not in close-quarters urban warfare. In real life, hoplites and phalangites fell out of use because they are extremely terrain-dependent, discipline-dependent and correspondingly, are nearly defenseless if their formations get broken up. They also don't have a great deal of manpower (in every scene, they've been outnumbered). It doesn't matter how well-trained you are when a guy runs up behind you and plunges a knife into your back. As bad as the Sons are, they're on their own turf and fighting against an enemy that is very easy to exploit. That got disrupted when Drogon showed up, but Drogon's not invincible and more importantly, Drogon is inexperienced at fighting. Watch for later episodes; he'll probably start killing people more easily in the future.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Jun 7, 2015 22:59:59 GMT -5
Upon second watching, is it safe to say Doran sent the viper threat to King's landing to get Trystane on the small council and make him second in line for the throne due to his marriage to Myrcella? No. I'd say it's safe to assume Ellaria stole the necklace from Myrcella, and sent it herself.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 7, 2015 23:04:18 GMT -5
Upon second watching, is it safe to say Doran sent the viper threat to King's landing to get Trystane on the small council and make him second in line for the throne due to his marriage to Myrcella? No. I'd say it's safe to assume Ellaria stole the necklace from Myrcella, and sent it herself. He ended up benefiting more than anyone else from that though so it's not highly unlikely that he pulled a fast one.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Jun 7, 2015 23:08:11 GMT -5
No. I'd say it's safe to assume Ellaria stole the necklace from Myrcella, and sent it herself. He ended up benefiting more than anyone else from that though so it's not highly unlikely that he pulled a fast one. Overtly threatening the princess seems a mighty risky way to achieve more power. I thought the look that Doran and Ellaria exchanged confirmed it. EDIT: also, I'm not convinced surrendering the princess, AND shipping your sole heir to King's Landing is quite the master stroke some people believe it to be. In any case, Dorne has been such a disappointment, I can't really bring myself to care too much, one way or another.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 7, 2015 23:15:48 GMT -5
The Unsullied are hoplites who are trained in the phalanx, not in close-quarters urban warfare. In real life, hoplites and phalangites fell out of use because they are extremely terrain-dependent, discipline-dependent and correspondingly, are nearly defenseless if their formations get broken up. They also don't have a great deal of manpower (in every scene, they've been outnumbered). It doesn't matter how well-trained you are when a guy runs up behind you and plunges a knife into your back. As bad as the Sons are, they're on their own turf and fighting against an enemy that is very easy to exploit. That got disrupted when Drogon showed up, but Drogon's not invincible and more importantly, Drogon is inexperienced at fighting. Watch for later episodes; he'll probably start killing people more easily in the future. Even still, it's not like they immediately starting huffing it when Drogon starting flaming peeps there was plenty still around throwing spears until it retreated. So they fought Drogon(their only threat) until it flew off then basically said "f*** it we'll just let these very important people (who we have outnumbered and at our mercy) live, let's go get a pint boys!" And I really can't wait for the Rocky style montage of Drogon drinking raw eggs, running through snow covered mountains and working the pads with Jorah.
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Post by chrom on Jun 7, 2015 23:16:21 GMT -5
Real smart killing your only child and heir Stannis.
And they have turned Ramsay into a Villain Sue, like Joffrey he's nothing more than a Vicious Idiot who attacks people he knews can't defend themselves or fight back, but now they are portraying him as if he's a tactical genius and master warrior.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 7, 2015 23:38:51 GMT -5
The Unsullied are hoplites who are trained in the phalanx, not in close-quarters urban warfare. In real life, hoplites and phalangites fell out of use because they are extremely terrain-dependent, discipline-dependent and correspondingly, are nearly defenseless if their formations get broken up. They also don't have a great deal of manpower (in every scene, they've been outnumbered). It doesn't matter how well-trained you are when a guy runs up behind you and plunges a knife into your back. As bad as the Sons are, they're on their own turf and fighting against an enemy that is very easy to exploit. That got disrupted when Drogon showed up, but Drogon's not invincible and more importantly, Drogon is inexperienced at fighting. Watch for later episodes; he'll probably start killing people more easily in the future. Even still, it's not like they immediately starting huffing it when Drogon starting flaming peeps there was plenty still around throwing spears until it retreated. So they fought Drogon(their only threat) until it flew off then basically said "f*** it we'll just let these very important people (who we have outnumbered and at our mercy) live, let's go get a pint boys!" And I really can't wait for the Rocky style montage of Drogon drinking raw eggs, running through snow covered mountains and working the pads with Jorah. Well, if the queen was smart, she would fly Drogon to where those other dragons are and release them too. Then the Sons wouldn't stand much of a chance. It may be hard to kill one dragon, but three at the same time is almost impossible.
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Post by Cela on Jun 7, 2015 23:47:16 GMT -5
Real smart killing your only child and heir Stannis. And they have turned Ramsay into a Villain Sue, like Joffrey he's nothing more than a Vicious Idiot who attacks people he knews can't defend themselves or fight back, but now they are portraying him as if he's a tactical genius and master warrior. Our first exposure to him was him using psychological warfare to capture Winterfell from Theon. Our second exposure was him rangering the hell out of some people chasing Theon. Dude knows his guerilla tactics.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 8, 2015 0:11:09 GMT -5
I...uh....I am now feeling regret over picking Stannis. I still want him to bring reckoning to House Bolton, but he loses credibility in the eyes of the people with that move. That was Mad King levels of bad decisions. You may win the battle Stannis, but you just lost the war.
If it weren't for the last scene with Dany's dragon saving them at the last minute, I'd say this episode was as bad in terms of character development as Sansa's wedding night.
For the record, any future moment of emotional attachment with characters means absolutely nothing now. "touching moments" on this show now have me asking "when will this person die?"
Also, Meryn Trant apparently likes them young. As if he isn't hated enough
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 0:20:53 GMT -5
I...uh....I am now feeling regret over picking Stannis. I still want him to bring reckoning to House Bolton, but he loses credibility in the eyes of the people with that move. That was Mad King levels of bad decisions. You may win the battle Stannis, but you just lost the war. If it weren't for the last scene with Dany's dragon saving them at the last minute, I'd say this episode was as bad in terms of character development as Sansa's wedding night. For the record, any future moment of emotional attachment with characters means absolutely nothing now. "touching moments" on this show now have me asking "when will this person die?" If it makes you feel any better, they seem to be following the Agamemnon/Iphigenia story. Stannis and Mel are likely going to meet their end once they kill the Boltons, by the hands of Davos and Mrs. Stannis. At least if they're following Greek Mythology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 0:31:16 GMT -5
The Unsullied are hoplites who are trained in the phalanx, not in close-quarters urban warfare. In real life, hoplites and phalangites fell out of use because they are extremely terrain-dependent, discipline-dependent and correspondingly, are nearly defenseless if their formations get broken up. They also don't have a great deal of manpower (in every scene, they've been outnumbered). It doesn't matter how well-trained you are when a guy runs up behind you and plunges a knife into your back. As bad as the Sons are, they're on their own turf and fighting against an enemy that is very easy to exploit. That got disrupted when Drogon showed up, but Drogon's not invincible and more importantly, Drogon is inexperienced at fighting. Watch for later episodes; he'll probably start killing people more easily in the future. Even still, it's not like they immediately starting huffing it when Drogon starting flaming peeps there was plenty still around throwing spears until it retreated. So they fought Drogon(their only threat) until it flew off then basically said "f*** it we'll just let these very important people (who we have outnumbered and at our mercy) live, let's go get a pint boys!" And I really can't wait for the Rocky style montage of Drogon drinking raw eggs, running through snow covered mountains and working the pads with Jorah. By the time Drogon was gone, most of the Sons had dispersed. They don't have messengers telling them the dragon's gone for a while, and were out of the picture. But the way they shot the scene, I didn't like it. There was too much standing around. If they could throw spears like javelins, why not go for Dany?
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 8, 2015 0:35:20 GMT -5
I...uh....I am now feeling regret over picking Stannis. I still want him to bring reckoning to House Bolton, but he loses credibility in the eyes of the people with that move. That was Mad King levels of bad decisions. You may win the battle Stannis, but you just lost the war. If it weren't for the last scene with Dany's dragon saving them at the last minute, I'd say this episode was as bad in terms of character development as Sansa's wedding night. For the record, any future moment of emotional attachment with characters means absolutely nothing now. "touching moments" on this show now have me asking "when will this person die?" If it makes you feel any better, they seem to be following the Agamemnon/Iphigenia story. Stannis and Mel are likely going to meet their end once they kill the Boltons, by the hands of Davos and Mrs. Stannis. At least if they're following Greek Mythology. I'd rather Melisandre burn as it seems justifying. Stannis i want him to suffer for his choices in a long life. I hope you're happy Ned Stark. This is the "honorable" man you died for.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 8, 2015 0:42:09 GMT -5
I still pledge allegiance to the stag.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 8, 2015 0:43:50 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better, they seem to be following the Agamemnon/Iphigenia story. Stannis and Mel are likely going to meet their end once they kill the Boltons, by the hands of Davos and Mrs. Stannis. At least if they're following Greek Mythology. I'd rather Melisandre burn as it seems justifying. Stannis i want him to suffer for his choices in a long life. I hope you're happy Ned Stark. This is the "honorable" man you died for. I think that's actually a much more fitting end for Stannis with the way they're going. In your quest to claim what you believe is yours and fulfill the destiny that you claim to be heading towards, you've lost yourself along that way. Live with it and brood on those decisions that you've made until the end of your days. And yeah, Meryn Trant liking the kiddies that's, uh, something.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 8, 2015 2:06:27 GMT -5
Meryn Trant is enough of an asshole. There was really no need for Weiss and Benioff to make him a pedophile on top of it.
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 2:18:17 GMT -5
Meryn Trant is enough of an asshole. There was really no need for Weiss and Benioff to make him a pedophile on top of it. It's been a few seasons since he's done anything, need to catch viewers up to speed. Little bit out of nowhere though, could have set it up a tad. Though, Kingsguard are supposed to be celibate, so guess him not being able to hook up in King's Landing makes sense.
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