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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 16, 2015 6:20:47 GMT -5
I never said TNA was perfect and a lot of TNA's problems are TNA's fault. Would TNA have failed to generate new fans even if they got the advertising? More than likely. Heck, TNA is the company who told the network that they didn't hire the guy and it turned out they had hired the guy, basically spitting in the face of the network that airs you.
I'm merely saying that Spike TV (just like when they were TNN) has a history of not caring for wrestling unless it is either WWE or they believe can compete with WWE (they were angry WWE left them). There is the old adage that no matter how much noise you make with signings, no one will watch if they don't know it's out there.
Not saying TNA is innocent, but Spike TV wasn't exactly the best network for wrestling.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 16, 2015 6:31:42 GMT -5
Didn't the dirtsheets claim the honeymoon was over with Spike like every other month way back when? It's amazing how they have managed to develop contacts within the management of TV networks which more mainstream entertainment sites like Gawker and TMZ would kill for. With skills like that, they're seriously wasted on wrestling.
The deal with DA was a bad deal with a bad network, but it was the best deal available to TNA. Given how lousy both companies are, I hope they struck a terrible deal that means they remain shackled to oneanother for a good long time.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 16, 2015 6:33:14 GMT -5
I am sick and tired of reading comments from TNA fans about how Spike did nothing for TNA. There's being a mark and there is sticking your head into the ground and being delusional. Spike gave TNA EVERY opportunity to succeed. They gave them 2 hours on Thursdays, gave them Monday nights, paid portions of the high priced contracts of ex-WWE stars and Sting, 3 months or so of weekly live shows in 2012, etc, etc, etc. And for everything Spike did for them, they are re-paid with being lied to about Russo when they made it clear that he was not to be on board. As soon as the DA deal goes south, these same marks will then claim that DA did nothing for them as well. I have read this week already from these idiots about how Taz is being unprofessional by not showing up for voiceovers and how it's "normal" for companies to be late to pay it's employees. FFS, these people will stoop to any level to still defend this shit company. Pretty much this, Spike did what they could and when TNA didn't deliver on it promises and like you said lied to them. Spike gave them money to sign the big names but is it Spike TV fault that TNA booked such a bad show that didn't draw new fans or been consistent at screwing the paying fans over on PPVs to the point of drawing them away or ordering another PPV. Lets be honest there been far more bad product in TNA history then good. When it was good it was great but never was consistent in lasting.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 16, 2015 6:48:29 GMT -5
Pretty much this, Spike did what they could and when TNA didn't deliver on it promises and like you said lied to them. Spike gave them money to sign the big names but is it Spike TV fault that TNA booked such a bad show that didn't draw new fans or been consistent at screwing the paying fans over on PPVs to the point of drawing them away or ordering another PPV. Lets be honest there been far more bad product in TNA history then good. When it was good it was great but never was consistent in lasting. Didn't the Spike paying for WWE/WCW stars story turn out to be bogus with TNA footing the entire bill for star names in order to keep Spike happy? Spike deserve a share of the blame for TNA's run on the channel, they called for the big names, for TNA to promote their other ventures like Bellator and TNA did everything they asked at their expense. Don't get me wrong, TNA aren't blameless, but Spike were hardly some generous benefactor that got nothing from the deal, even with a bad TNA product they got one of the best, most consistent ratings their channel had, pre-Hogan.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 16, 2015 7:00:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Spike only really footed the bill for the wrestlers that did both Bellator and TNA....and Ric Flair because he wanted a deal with the network instead of with the wrestling company. Everyone else was sadly on just TNA's nickel and dime.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Apr 16, 2015 7:34:05 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America. British wrestling fans show such a staggering (and to be frank weird) amount of loyalty that it's a wonder that a homegrown promotion hasn't got a tv deal yet. There will never be a British WWE but a British TNA/ROH sized promotion would be a license to print money... For a time there was, in FWA. FWA, particularly 2002-04, was a fantastic promotion, and spawned a number of guys who went on to WWE or TNA (although with less success than you'd expect). 1PW was half-decent for a while too, and IWW was another good promotion from the Isles, but none of them really lasted. The problem was they never had a decent TV deal- FWA was aired on a pretty big delay on the short-lived Wrestling Channel, as was 1PW briefly, but neither got on a main channel. Nothing British has since World of Sport ended. PCW is decent. It'd be great to see SOMETHING get a TV deal. There's definitely money in it. I think the problem is wrestling as a major television product is a lot harder to sell in the UK than in the USA, plus the country & population is smaller so it's a lot harder to maintain novelty and freshness via tours etc., once you start to gain more exposure.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 16, 2015 8:28:49 GMT -5
Today's Observer: . I think there was the feeling that wrestling is popular on TV, there were tons of fans used to watching wrestling on Friday nights and TNA's fan base as far as TV viewing was thought to be extremely loyal. [/quote] BWHAHAHAHAHA!
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Post by MC Blowfish on Apr 16, 2015 9:18:22 GMT -5
Don't start that again, Spike did more for TNA than they had any right to. They treated and advertised them as a major part of their channel until the last two years when they realized it wasn't worth it anymore. Only time they really advertised TNA was when Hogan was on and that lasted a few months because they had already lost the Monday Night Wars Version 2. That's not true. I remember seeing advertisements for the show prior to Hogan being on the show and while he was there. They didn't advertise as much after he left, but I also stopped watching as much Spike around that time too.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2015 9:44:37 GMT -5
Spike owned a billboard outside Penn Station, they advertised TNA on it on several occasions that I remember.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 16, 2015 9:55:59 GMT -5
Spike owned a billboard outside Penn Station, they advertised TNA on it on several occasions that I remember. We are talking about TV advertisements, billboards really aren't effective in the 2000s
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2015 9:58:15 GMT -5
It was a billboard outside the busiest train station in the world, right by the entrance so anyone coming out saw it immediately is a hell of a lot of eyeballs on it during the course of a day.
Probably way more people saw it than advertising on television which are generally skipped over by the public at large.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 16, 2015 10:29:43 GMT -5
It was a billboard outside the busiest train station in the world, right by the entrance so anyone coming out saw it immediately is a hell of a lot of eyeballs on it during the course of a day. Probably way more people saw it than advertising on television which are generally skipped over by the public at large. Unless it is on DVR, people don't skip over normally commercials. And while that may be one of the biggest train stations in the world, it also is in one area and not as nationally seen as TV commercials are. It's like when TNA put up that billboard right next to WWE Headquarters and we all made fun of TNA for that. You can't then say that Spike did well advertising with that other billboards. Billboards don't work these days.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 16, 2015 12:26:17 GMT -5
hopefully TNA goes out of business soon
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 16, 2015 14:28:32 GMT -5
It all goes to the heart of TNA's problems: they've never cultivated a larger audience, because they have always wanted instant gratification. "OMG, numbers aren't going high enough, hire/fire/rehire/refire Vince Russo! Hire Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff! Bring back Jarrett! Wait, fire them, try this booking committee! Wait, bring the old guys back, and put THEM all in one committee! Oh noes, ratings not rising fast enough, RUSSO TIME AGAIN!". There was never a long term vision, sadly. You can't get your audience to consistently build up unless you have a truly identifiable brand that fans can grow attached to and identify with, but TNA's always been one extended cut of "Too Many Cooks" when it comes to this stuff. hopefully TNA goes out of business soon I could agree with that during the era of "TNA has plenty of money and pays the Knockouts nothing", but why would wrestling fans want any company to go out of business? So that it's harder for the wrestlers who are signed there to make a living?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 15:19:06 GMT -5
I could agree with that during the era of "TNA has plenty of money and pays the Knockouts nothing", but why would wrestling fans want any company to go out of business? So that it's harder for the wrestlers who are signed there to make a living? I want them to go under because, for all the horrible shit they've done over the years and how incompetent they've been in every way imaginable, the higher-ups don't deserve to succeed.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 16, 2015 15:33:55 GMT -5
They deserve to go under as an 'F-U' to the Carters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:14:27 GMT -5
I want them to die for a simple and honest reason. They suck and have always sucked. They will always suck.
Because of their stupidity, a large amount of wrestling fans will never watch wrestling again and now a major network will not give a decent company a chance to actually put on a good wrestling show. Good luck to any promotion trying to get main stream coverage.
The wrestlers that your worried about are not better off with TNA around. They would be better off if a better promotion had been given TNA's spike time slot. And would be better off if a better wrestling company had been put on destination america. AJ Styles has actually made a lot more money on the indies than he did on TNA.
I've said this before and Ill say it again: If a properly run pro wrestling company had been give the chances TNA has, it would have easily surpassed WWE as the no 1 wrestling promotion and that would have made WWE cut the crap.
The pro TNA argument has always been: Something is better than nothing. Bull! If you put your eggs in a basket made of shit, don't be surprised when no one buys your smelly eggs. TNA is and always will be, a basket made of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 16:17:12 GMT -5
TNA has been dead ever since Spike cancelled their sorry ass. Now they're just a zombie corpse roaming the fields of YouTube comments in search of brains to eat and finding none.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 16, 2015 16:35:08 GMT -5
Where's Rick Grimes to put down TNA?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 16, 2015 16:41:49 GMT -5
To be fair, is there such a thing as TNA apologists anymore? It seems even they have finally given up.
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