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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 17, 2015 11:34:28 GMT -5
Believe me, I get disliking the Carters, but "this show sucks" isn't a reason to hope for a number of wrestlers to lose one of the few steady (well, as "steady" as TNA can be right now) contract-money gigs out there. Also, let's not pretend a lot of wrestling fans gave up on wrestling because of how bad TNA has been: not enough people have watched TNA for that to be the case. I think Dixie is a horrible owner, and they've done some awful business practices through the years; I'm a believer that if wrestling companies that have the resources to do so can't treat their wrestlers decently, then they should be out of business. But it's also a nasty environment out there for US wrestlers, and I don't want to see a bunch of them out of work. Yeah, I agree. Actively wishing the company would go under is kinda f***ed up, honestly. Don't get me wrong, I'll tear TNA apart on every single stupid thing they do and I've said in the past that I wouldn't feel bad if they went under. And I stand by that. BUT, I don't actively want them to die. As a wrestling fan, why would you want there to be less places for guys to get work? It's not even like TNA influences the industry in any real way now. They are just...there. They are inoffensive and limping along until someone puts them out of their misery. No point wishing for a dude that got diagnosed with cancer to get hit by a car.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 17, 2015 11:53:04 GMT -5
I think Dixie is a horrible owner, and they've done some awful business practices through the years; I'm a believer that if wrestling companies that have the resources to do so can't treat their wrestlers decently, then they should be out of business. But it's also a nasty environment out there for US wrestlers, and I don't want to see a bunch of them out of work. But with the current pay issues the wrestlers are busting their asses for a paycheck that may or may not be coming... is that really worse than trying to get indy bookings? edit: That said personally I don't want TNA to die... I just don't care if TNA lives... Hell, TNA wrestlers are out there hustling hard for indy bookings since the move to Destination America to the point of they are basically indy wrestlers.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Apr 17, 2015 12:13:37 GMT -5
Well, you're wrong, Jim Ross. Sit on that. Yeah. I would pay so much to see every single note and suggestion they've been given so far. Like, 60% has to be "More of the muscley Indian dude."
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 17, 2015 14:22:25 GMT -5
I think Dixie is a horrible owner, and they've done some awful business practices through the years; I'm a believer that if wrestling companies that have the resources to do so can't treat their wrestlers decently, then they should be out of business. But it's also a nasty environment out there for US wrestlers, and I don't want to see a bunch of them out of work. But with the current pay issues the wrestlers are busting their asses for a paycheck that may or may not be coming... is that really worse than trying to get indy bookings? edit: That said personally I don't want TNA to die... I just don't care if TNA lives... I don't think we can all properly answer it unless we know the actual financial situation today. Clearly, there's less money there now...but we also saw a bunch of guys re-up with new contracts recently. Does that mean there's at least still some stability/downside pay to be had there? If so, I want those guys to keep making it. If the stories that TNA can't keep up with payments are true, then yeah, the worst is already coming to pass. If it's more like the other story, that it's a logistics problem as Panda moves its HQs to Dallas, then maybe it isn't as big a deal. Maybe it's a combination of the two, in some demented way. Personally, I make much bigger demands on WWE in terms of worker-treatment (just due to their size/income), but TNA obviously has its history of shitty dealings. I'm also of the mind that my life won't be greatly affected should TNA go under, but it's just not a great market out there for pro wrestlers in most of North America right now. I got caught up in the rush of seeing so many new shows debuting lately and thinking that perhaps things were turning around, but it's honestly not looking good if more of these networks aren't willing to stick with an industry that needs a good deal of time to rehabilitate itself. Said it once, I'll say it one thousand times: the Monday Night Wars did more to kill the industry than any of us will ever fully realize.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 17, 2015 14:41:27 GMT -5
TNA had a golden opportunity in the post WCW era to provide a real alternative. But they've consistently blown that chance over and over again. No vision, no long term ideas or planning, no distinct identity, a terrible company name, no comprehension of what they are trying to accomplish. They started off badly trying to preserve the long dead and long irrelevant NWA name, then when the Carters took over, it's just got even more directionless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 17:00:29 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America. British wrestling fans show such a staggering (and to be frank weird) amount of loyalty that it's a wonder that a homegrown promotion hasn't got a tv deal yet. There will never be a British WWE but a British TNA/ROH sized promotion would be a license to print money... My birth city, Glasgow, has ICW which seems to have a big cult following and my now home city, Preston, has PCW which is similar. Basically, Challenge should hire me because wherever I go, I naturally create a cult wrestling company.
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Post by BigAl on Apr 18, 2015 5:59:59 GMT -5
there were some on another forum (who insisted he has no idea whom Edge is, but if TNA signs him, the ratings will change bigger than Hogan, but still dont know who he was, ditto to Alberto del rio, cm punk, etc. Al.l game changers, but had no idea who they were, nor didnt realize Edge cant wrestle anymore. Oh, and how Velvet and Taryn were better wrestlers than AJ or Paige, but minute AJ left, was like AJ comes to TNA will be a game changer crap. And also hated Jesse Sorenson for betraying TNA yadda yadda, ) but i went there last week asnd dont see them, so they either quit, or more likely, got banned I am assuming most were trolls, since they (as well as that King guy who used to post here) cant be this stupid and blind??? I know who you was talking about SpecialFNK or something like that. Openly admitted he doesn't watching anything but TNA and only from 2010. Yes, oh my god, he was a tool. and seemed to be clueless when some were wishing TNA push the pre-Hogan stars again, and challenged WWE fans to name pound for pound, a better wrestler than Chris Sabin in the WWE when Sabin won! I always wodered if he was that King guy under another alias, but didnt seem too keen on Gunner!!
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 18, 2015 9:41:26 GMT -5
There really aren't any serious game changers for TNA at this point. TNA itself is seen as a C grade company and anyone at this point who goes there is going to be perceived as slumming. Right now TNA has Kurt Angle as world champion and the Hardys as tag champs. That would be really good if the year was 2000. If anything it's sad that these guys are playing out what's left of their careers in front of 500,000 viewers a week in front of 300 people.
So, no. Del Rio going to TNA won't mean anything because Del Rio going to TNA just looks bad for Del Rio. Ditto Punk, AJ, whoever. Does anyone think AJ Lee seriously would mean anything to TNA viewership if she went there?
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Post by BigAl on Apr 18, 2015 13:57:14 GMT -5
There really aren't any serious game changers for TNA at this point. TNA itself is seen as a C grade company and anyone at this point who goes there is going to be perceived as slumming. Right now TNA has Kurt Angle as world champion and the Hardys as tag champs. That would be really good if the year was 2000. If anything it's sad that these guys are playing out what's left of their careers in front of 500,000 viewers a week in front of 300 people. So, no. Del Rio going to TNA won't mean anything because Del Rio going to TNA just looks bad for Del Rio. Ditto Punk, AJ, whoever. Does anyone think AJ Lee seriously would mean anything to TNA viewership if she went there? Maybe AJ might raise a few eye brows, but thats it. Edge was the biggest arguement I had with this apologist, he, who never saw Edge, was insisting Edge can draw bigger viewers than Hogan to TNA until everyone on the forum had to tell him he cannot wrestle anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 14:06:48 GMT -5
I still wished TNA had died a few months back, largely due to my credence that you can't keep rewarding incompetence.
But, Dixie will try to find another network willing to take them in for peanut dustings. She's if anything very persistent on keeping this money pit alive.
To me, if I had to say what will TNA's legacy be, it'll be of many blown opportunities. It's a shame, but eventually, you stop feeling bad for the company, especially given the well-deserved reputation that going to this company is career suicide.
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Post by chrom on Apr 18, 2015 14:51:26 GMT -5
There really aren't any serious game changers for TNA at this point. TNA itself is seen as a C grade company and anyone at this point who goes there is going to be perceived as slumming. Right now TNA has Kurt Angle as world champion and the Hardys as tag champs. That would be really good if the year was 2000. If anything it's sad that these guys are playing out what's left of their careers in front of 500,000 viewers a week in front of 300 people. So, no. Del Rio going to TNA won't mean anything because Del Rio going to TNA just looks bad for Del Rio. Ditto Punk, AJ, whoever. Does anyone think AJ Lee seriously would mean anything to TNA viewership if she went there? Their not even making not, the ratings are so low that they were caught combining both the show and the replays viewership together to try and make them appear bigger than what they really are. Right now their ratings its been said are comparable to reruns on TV Land airing after midnight.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 21, 2015 19:17:38 GMT -5
Pretty much this, Spike did what they could and when TNA didn't deliver on it promises and like you said lied to them. Spike gave them money to sign the big names but is it Spike TV fault that TNA booked such a bad show that didn't draw new fans or been consistent at screwing the paying fans over on PPVs to the point of drawing them away or ordering another PPV. Lets be honest there been far more bad product in TNA history then good. When it was good it was great but never was consistent in lasting. Didn't the Spike paying for WWE/WCW stars story turn out to be bogus with TNA footing the entire bill for star names in order to keep Spike happy? Spike deserve a share of the blame for TNA's run on the channel, they called for the big names, for TNA to promote their other ventures like Bellator and TNA did everything they asked at their expense. Don't get me wrong, TNA aren't blameless, but Spike were hardly some generous benefactor that got nothing from the deal, even with a bad TNA product they got one of the best, most consistent ratings their channel had, pre-Hogan. I don't know when it was shown to be bogus. I remember Angle and Sting where spike paid in there first years in TNA. May not been the whole contract but a lot of the big names in that time frame where paid more by Spike than TNA. Now if that was proven wrong then thats my mistake but I don't recall seeing it.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Apr 21, 2015 20:07:55 GMT -5
I've said for ages that I want TNA to die because it has a stink to it that you just can't get off once you're there - it's a poisonous brand. Look at when their workers go for indy dates; they almost always get 'f*** TNA' chants. TNA has had a million chances to become a viable secondary option and it's failed every time and I doubt that's going to chance under the management of an idiot like Dixie. She may be nice but she has no idea how to run a company.
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Post by mysterydriver on Apr 21, 2015 20:36:04 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread, I'm reminded of back in college when I'd watch two guys on Youtube constantly defend TNA. One guy had a backwards red cap, Fred Durst style, and I think the other guy's name was Doug.
Man...I should've done more with my time in college.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 22, 2015 2:27:36 GMT -5
I think I remember those guys! It was kind of fun to watch them after a bad Impact or PPV, still fanboying like crazy over it. It did come over as a very strong case of "anything that isn't the WWE is awesome" though. Last I remember seeing them was shortly after Hogan and Bisch came along, where they finally seemed to be getting disappointed and dissatisfied with TNA. That was years back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 3:53:49 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread, I'm reminded of back in college when I'd watch two guys on Youtube constantly defend TNA. One guy had a backwards red cap, Fred Durst style, and I think the other guy's name was Doug. Man...I should've done more with my time in college. Bill and Doug? They had a series on the TNA Youtube channel at one time, but it got canned pretty quickly;
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 22, 2015 7:14:19 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread, I'm reminded of back in college when I'd watch two guys on Youtube constantly defend TNA. One guy had a backwards red cap, Fred Durst style, and I think the other guy's name was Doug. Man...I should've done more with my time in college. I think the channel was called rvdtito4life, like another poster mentioned yeah they started posting videos on the official tna youtube channel but something happened and the relationship turned sour, then they posted a video burying the company lol
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