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Post by xCompackx on Apr 18, 2015 22:54:15 GMT -5
Even still, there's no real way to be sure that WWE meant to fire Punk on his wedding day. Vince says he didn't, Punk says he did, who knows? Punk's basis for claiming that WWE knew about it was that he got into contact with the company over some money owed to him right before he got married, and then the termination papers were overnighted to him on that day. I mean, I'll admit that the timing is weird and all, but it's just as likely that the person in charge of sending the legal documents out chose overnight shipping.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 18, 2015 23:02:43 GMT -5
If you don't think HHH didn't relay that info to Vince, who's a titanic man-baby, you're crazy. Ask the Nacho Man and the Huckster. The wwe.com stuff gets approved by said man-baby as well. Even still, there's no real way to be sure that WWE meant to fire Punk on his wedding day. Vince says he didn't, Punk says he did, who knows?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 18, 2015 23:14:49 GMT -5
Dat ass barely misses the cut at #9.
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Post by Perd on Apr 18, 2015 23:18:00 GMT -5
It really is weird how complimentary of AJ, WWE is being. I didn't expect them to bury her, but like almost everyone that leaves there, I expected they'd pretend she never existed. She's been mentioned two straight Raws, had a 100 picture retrospective on wwe.com, and now this article. It was often mentioned Tha AJ was a pet project of Vince's, I even remember that he viewed her almost like a daughter, so maybe that's why. I wouldn't doubt Vince views AJ's departure had an unfortunate by-product of everything that happened with Punk.
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Post by FAR5222 on Apr 18, 2015 23:37:50 GMT -5
15 pages in about 12 hours.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 19, 2015 2:00:38 GMT -5
It really is weird how complimentary of AJ, WWE is being. I didn't expect them to bury her, but like almost everyone that leaves there, I expected they'd pretend she never existed. She's been mentioned two straight Raws, had a 100 picture retrospective on wwe.com, and now this article. It was often mentioned Tha AJ was a pet project of Vince's, I even remember that he viewed her almost like a daughter, so maybe that's why. I wouldn't doubt Vince views AJ's departure had an unfortunate by-product of everything that happened with Punk. I think that's one of the things people are kind of having trouble parsing. Vince liked AJ. He did. He just plain did. And people figure that since Punk can't stand the company, that Vince would automatically hate AJ out of spite, as if marrying Punk makes her into Punk. Admittedly, she DID trying to act like him from that point forward (which I don't get. If she's so into empowerment, why let herself be completely absorbed by her husband like that?), but I don't think that Vince ever stopped liking her.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 3:14:05 GMT -5
Head-on collisions with ring ropes? To be honest, the thing I'll miss AJ for more than anything else is her total unwillingness to play the Diva game. Paige seems totally OK with being on reality TV, has an Instagram full of selfies of her pointing her ass at the camera etc, not that it makes her less of a performer or in any way wrong to do so, but she's the only 'alternative' choice that remains and she's basically goth Barbie. AJ more than anyone before or after her really didn't seem to give a shit about the superficial side of being a Diva beyond what was absolutely necessary. I wonder if WWE slightly regretted making her as big of a star as they did once they realised the extent to which she was against everything the Divas had come to stand for. They've got plenty of performers as talented or more talented than her left over in the division, but I'm not sure there's anyone left who's secure enough in their spot to keep it real or call WWE out on their bullshit like she did with Stephanie that time. She might not have been revolutionary as a performer, but as a person she, much like Punk, was quite the shock to the system for WWE once she got into a position of influence. She's also the reason that all the main Divas now have their own merch, so that's something of a legacy if nothing else. Agreed about all of this. AJ's legacy will more likely be those "outside" things like how she didn't behave like the others and how she certainly led to more merchandise for the women, rather than anything onscreen. Paige in particular has been a big disappointment to me in that respect. I thought she had more substance but it turns out she's as vain and self-obsessed as the rest of them, just with darker hair.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 3:15:57 GMT -5
^Agree entirely. Paige is not an "anti-Diva".
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Apr 19, 2015 3:50:17 GMT -5
AJ had mic skills? HA! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 19, 2015 4:06:40 GMT -5
It really is weird how complimentary of AJ, WWE is being. I didn't expect them to bury her, but like almost everyone that leaves there, I expected they'd pretend she never existed. She's been mentioned two straight Raws, had a 100 picture retrospective on wwe.com, and now this article. It was often mentioned Tha AJ was a pet project of Vince's, I even remember that he viewed her almost like a daughter, so maybe that's why. I wouldn't doubt Vince views AJ's departure had an unfortunate by-product of everything that happened with Punk. Well, WWE.com really like Kaitlyn and AJ but the on-screen mentions are a genuinely nice surprise. I knew the first two posts, at least, would be ripping on AJ and it's honestly kind of tiring to see at this point when she's gone. It's exhausting to see how mostly negative or superficial comments are what main roster divas get in discussions. I don't really want to make the argument about her legacy but when people are so dismissive, it's hard to not push back. People forget that after Mickie and Laycool left, the division had nothing to it and when AJ was beginning her rise, the divas feuds were entirely an afterthought. She did change that to an extent. She became a genuinely recognizable character as opposed to a woman segregated in her own division. For a time, she brought that change to the division. It's not her fault that... - WWE saw the success they had with her fairly unique 'crazy' character and decided to repeat it. - WWE failed to capitalize on any of her big moments and always pushed the division back when it was gaining steam. - The divas do less so it takes less to achieve legendary status. Before she pushed for it, before fans begged for it, it was inconceivable that divas would have their own merch. Now almost every diva has their stuff. Before her big 2012 push, it was laughable to think that a diva in the post-Trish/Lita era could main event a RAW or, weirder still, be the focus of several RAW episodes. The fact that she called out Stephanie so publicly doubtlessly helped the #GiveDivasAChance movement and likely gave us the record-breaking long matches we've been seeing lately. Yes, her legacy is more as a character and as a person than a wrestler because guess what? WWE hate women's wrestling that much. She did her best to fight it. Even when people claimed she was 'phoning it in', she was pushing for gimmick matches with Paige and storyline ideas. It doesn't make her accomplishments any less impressive. AJ was a scared little girl who bawled at the sight of her idol, and wanted nothing more than to be a diva. She not only did that but she changed what could be expected of a woman in WWE and has willingly walked away from her dream with the biggest wrestling company in the world singing her praises. I know a lot of men and women have similar stories if you asked them but to actually see that, to watch her grow with her backstory firmly in mind, it's absolutely inspiring to others that don't have much other than a dream. It's certainly nothing to diminish.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 5:24:08 GMT -5
It really is weird how complimentary of AJ, WWE is being. I didn't expect them to bury her, but like almost everyone that leaves there, I expected they'd pretend she never existed. She's been mentioned two straight Raws, had a 100 picture retrospective on wwe.com, and now this article. It was often mentioned Tha AJ was a pet project of Vince's, I even remember that he viewed her almost like a daughter, so maybe that's why. I wouldn't doubt Vince views AJ's departure had an unfortunate by-product of everything that happened with Punk. I think that's one of the things people are kind of having trouble parsing. Vince liked AJ. He did. He just plain did. And people figure that since Punk can't stand the company, that Vince would automatically hate AJ out of spite, as if marrying Punk makes her into Punk. Admittedly, she DID trying to act like him from that point forward (which I don't get. If she's so into empowerment, why let herself be completely absorbed by her husband like that?), but I don't think that Vince ever stopped liking her. People act as if A. Punk is the only snarky heel ever, B. there was no evidence of AJ having a similar personality to him before they got married and C. AJ is entirely in control of what her character does and says, which she blatantly isn't. If anything, it says a lot about fans' perceptions that the second a woman speaks out people's response is 'she's just trying to be her husband.' I wonder how many times that comparison would have been made if they weren't married. Maybe they ended up falling in love and getting married because they had a lot in common as people? Maybe there's only a few different ways that you can write the character of a heel who thinks they're better than anyone? Either way, blaming AJ for it when she doesn't book the show and saying she's 'trying to be' her husband is pretty insulting and misguided, yet it seems to be the majority opinion.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 5:32:19 GMT -5
Head-on collisions with ring ropes? To be honest, the thing I'll miss AJ for more than anything else is her total unwillingness to play the Diva game. Paige seems totally OK with being on reality TV, has an Instagram full of selfies of her pointing her ass at the camera etc, not that it makes her less of a performer or in any way wrong to do so, but she's the only 'alternative' choice that remains and she's basically goth Barbie. AJ more than anyone before or after her really didn't seem to give a shit about the superficial side of being a Diva beyond what was absolutely necessary. I wonder if WWE slightly regretted making her as big of a star as they did once they realised the extent to which she was against everything the Divas had come to stand for. They've got plenty of performers as talented or more talented than her left over in the division, but I'm not sure there's anyone left who's secure enough in their spot to keep it real or call WWE out on their bullshit like she did with Stephanie that time. She might not have been revolutionary as a performer, but as a person she, much like Punk, was quite the shock to the system for WWE once she got into a position of influence. She's also the reason that all the main Divas now have their own merch, so that's something of a legacy if nothing else. Agreed about all of this. AJ's legacy will more likely be those "outside" things like how she didn't behave like the others and how she certainly led to more merchandise for the women, rather than anything onscreen. Paige in particular has been a big disappointment to me in that respect. I thought she had more substance but it turns out she's as vain and self-obsessed as the rest of them, just with darker hair. As I say, I don't really hold it against her (Paige), she's a young woman doing what many young women do. It's a little unfair to hold her to a set of ethics based on the image of her we have in our heads. It'd just be nice if there was someone who provided evidence to young girls that you don't have to do all that to succeed. Maybe Bayley will be that person.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 19, 2015 5:32:32 GMT -5
I think that's one of the things people are kind of having trouble parsing. Vince liked AJ. He did. He just plain did. And people figure that since Punk can't stand the company, that Vince would automatically hate AJ out of spite, as if marrying Punk makes her into Punk. Admittedly, she DID trying to act like him from that point forward (which I don't get. If she's so into empowerment, why let herself be completely absorbed by her husband like that?), but I don't think that Vince ever stopped liking her. People act as if A. Punk is the only snarky heel ever, B. there was no evidence of AJ having a similar personality to him before they got married and C. AJ is entirely in control of what her character does and says, which she blatantly isn't. If anything, it says a lot about fans' perceptions that the second a woman speaks out people's response is 'she's just trying to be her husband.' I wonder how many times that comparison would have been made if they weren't married. Maybe they ended up falling in love and getting married because they had a lot in common as people? Maybe there's only a few different ways that you can write the character of a heel who thinks they're better than anyone? Either way, blaming AJ for it when she doesn't book the show and saying she's 'trying to be' her husband is pretty insulting and misguided, yet it seems to be the majority opinion. I dunno, that seems to be a little bit of a stretch?. It's not an unfair comparison in the sense that mamnerisms were similar--trivial stuff like head-tilting ain't no thing, but the Indian style sitting and pipebomb thing? Whether it's her deciding to do it or being told to do it, the comparison is there.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 5:35:19 GMT -5
People act as if A. Punk is the only snarky heel ever, B. there was no evidence of AJ having a similar personality to him before they got married and C. AJ is entirely in control of what her character does and says, which she blatantly isn't. If anything, it says a lot about fans' perceptions that the second a woman speaks out people's response is 'she's just trying to be her husband.' I wonder how many times that comparison would have been made if they weren't married. Maybe they ended up falling in love and getting married because they had a lot in common as people? Maybe there's only a few different ways that you can write the character of a heel who thinks they're better than anyone? Either way, blaming AJ for it when she doesn't book the show and saying she's 'trying to be' her husband is pretty insulting and misguided, yet it seems to be the majority opinion. I dunno, that seems to be going into strawman territory. It's not an unfair comparison in the sense that mamnerisms were similar--trivial stuff like head-tilting ain't no thing, but the Indian style sitting and pipebomb thing? Whether it's her deciding to do it or being told to do it, the comparison is there. Yeah I agree, it's just the whole 'since she married Punk she wants to be Punk, so much for wanting to empower women, what a fraud' thing that seems like a massive overreaction.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 19, 2015 5:35:49 GMT -5
Head-on collisions with ring ropes? To be honest, the thing I'll miss AJ for more than anything else is her total unwillingness to play the Diva game. Paige seems totally OK with being on reality TV, has an Instagram full of selfies of her pointing her ass at the camera etc, not that it makes her less of a performer or in any way wrong to do so, but she's the only 'alternative' choice that remains and she's basically goth Barbie. AJ more than anyone before or after her really didn't seem to give a shit about the superficial side of being a Diva beyond what was absolutely necessary. Come on man, AJ stuck her ass out as much as she possibly could.
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 19, 2015 5:40:06 GMT -5
People act as if A. Punk is the only snarky heel ever, B. there was no evidence of AJ having a similar personality to him before they got married and C. AJ is entirely in control of what her character does and says, which she blatantly isn't. If anything, it says a lot about fans' perceptions that the second a woman speaks out people's response is 'she's just trying to be her husband.' I wonder how many times that comparison would have been made if they weren't married. Maybe they ended up falling in love and getting married because they had a lot in common as people? Maybe there's only a few different ways that you can write the character of a heel who thinks they're better than anyone? Either way, blaming AJ for it when she doesn't book the show and saying she's 'trying to be' her husband is pretty insulting and misguided, yet it seems to be the majority opinion. I dunno, that seems to be a little bit of a stretch?. It's not an unfair comparison in the sense that mamnerisms were similar--trivial stuff like head-tilting ain't no thing, but the Indian style sitting and pipebomb thing? Whether it's her deciding to do it or being told to do it, the comparison is there. She sat Indian-style in the ring when she first kissed Kane in 2012. At which point, her push really starting taking off. That's a while before she dated Punk.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 5:41:05 GMT -5
Head-on collisions with ring ropes? To be honest, the thing I'll miss AJ for more than anything else is her total unwillingness to play the Diva game. Paige seems totally OK with being on reality TV, has an Instagram full of selfies of her pointing her ass at the camera etc, not that it makes her less of a performer or in any way wrong to do so, but she's the only 'alternative' choice that remains and she's basically goth Barbie. AJ more than anyone before or after her really didn't seem to give a shit about the superficial side of being a Diva beyond what was absolutely necessary. Come on man, AJ stuck her ass out as much as she possibly could. Oh yeah, totally. I suppose that comes under 'what was necessary.' Whether she was told to do it or not, I don't know, maybe she was. I just mean that when she was away from the ring, she was genuinely private and didn't seem to want any attention for her appearance or anything else, which makes her pretty much unique among the Divas of her generation. And again, it doesn't make said Divas in any way wrong for flaunting themselves, they can do whatever the hell they want, they should be proud of how they look.
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 19, 2015 5:47:31 GMT -5
Head-on collisions with ring ropes? To be honest, the thing I'll miss AJ for more than anything else is her total unwillingness to play the Diva game. Paige seems totally OK with being on reality TV, has an Instagram full of selfies of her pointing her ass at the camera etc, not that it makes her less of a performer or in any way wrong to do so, but she's the only 'alternative' choice that remains and she's basically goth Barbie. AJ more than anyone before or after her really didn't seem to give a shit about the superficial side of being a Diva beyond what was absolutely necessary. Come on man, AJ stuck her ass out as much as she possibly could. This is a variation of Nikki ragging on AJ in a promo for wearing eye-lashes and getting a tan, while claiming to be different. It's a dig that works solely in kayfabe. In actuality, WWE aren't going to send AJ out on commentary wearing glasses and slacks. The point is that her fans could go then go to her twitter and see someone whose life and views even vaguely resembles theirs, with the lack of partying and the comics. It's not to say that other options are invalid, just that she was an alternative at the end of the day.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 19, 2015 7:31:17 GMT -5
The entire premise of AJ being any less or more manufactured than any other Diva is baffling, especially when she had probably the most like promotional effort behind her than any other woman except Stephanie McMahon.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 7:44:19 GMT -5
The entire premise of AJ being any less or more manufactured than any other Diva is baffling, especially when she had probably the most like promotional effort behind her than any other woman except Stephanie McMahon. Yeah, her success is very much something WWE wanted to happen badly, there's no denying that, although I don't know how or if anyone would claim otherwise. I'm surprised they chose her though since she didn't seem to want to do a lot of the things they tend to expect of their female talent, although they possibly didn't realise that until they'd already made her a star.
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