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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 19, 2015 8:14:06 GMT -5
The entire premise of AJ being any less or more manufactured than any other Diva is baffling, especially when she had probably the most like promotional effort behind her than any other woman except Stephanie McMahon. Yeah, her success is very much something WWE wanted to happen badly, there's no denying that, although I don't know how or if anyone would claim otherwise. I'm surprised they chose her though since she didn't seem to want to do a lot of the things they tend to expect of their female talent, although they possibly didn't realise that until they'd already made her a star. Good for her and everything. But to say she's all "FIGHT THE MACHINE!"... and Paige is this sycophant (at what, 20? 21?)... I guess that's the internet.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 19, 2015 8:15:35 GMT -5
I dunno, that seems to be a little bit of a stretch?. It's not an unfair comparison in the sense that mamnerisms were similar--trivial stuff like head-tilting ain't no thing, but the Indian style sitting and pipebomb thing? Whether it's her deciding to do it or being told to do it, the comparison is there. She sat Indian-style in the ring when she first kissed Kane in 2012. At which point, her push really starting taking off. That's a while before she dated Punk. She still did it after though, no? At the commentary table to Paige? Am I making that up? (Legitimately asking)
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 8:29:02 GMT -5
Yeah, her success is very much something WWE wanted to happen badly, there's no denying that, although I don't know how or if anyone would claim otherwise. I'm surprised they chose her though since she didn't seem to want to do a lot of the things they tend to expect of their female talent, although they possibly didn't realise that until they'd already made her a star. Good for her and everything. But to say she's all "FIGHT THE MACHINE!"... and Paige is this sycophant (at what, 20? 21?)... I guess that's the internet. Like I say, Paige isn't a sycophant as far as I'm concerned, she's just a normal young woman doing what normal young women do. AJ was undoubtedly less compliant and more outspoken, but then she was in a privileged position and had less to lose by not playing along. And anyway, Paige probably enjoys being part of Total Divas and people commenting on her Instagram pics telling her how hot she looks, and if she does, good for her, there's nothing wrong with it. Likewise, there was nothing wrong with AJ staying away from that sort of thing and it was heartening to see her continuing to be successful whilst doing so in spite of the fact it probably irritated WWE management to see her refute it.
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 19, 2015 8:29:04 GMT -5
She sat Indian-style in the ring when she first kissed Kane in 2012. At which point, her push really starting taking off. That's a while before she dated Punk. She still did it after though, no? At the commentary table to Paige? Am I making that up? (Legitimately asking) No, you didn't. Good memory. I just find it funny that people take something she did maybe one other time to say she's like Punk. It's reaching.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 19, 2015 11:31:42 GMT -5
I don't understand why Paige is being singled out as a disappointment. Is it just because "she can wrestle"?
I mean, if we're talking about how AJ offered a glimmer of hope that there will be a change in the perception of divas, shouldn't the disappointment be that all the other divas are still "typical divas"? Why does Paige have to be the flag-bearer for this change?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 11:36:06 GMT -5
I don't understand why Paige is being singled out as a disappointment. Is it just because "she can wrestle"? I mean, if we're talking about how AJ offered a glimmer of hope that there will be a change in the perception of divas, shouldn't the disappointment be that all the other divas are still "typical divas"? Why does Paige have to be the flag-bearer for this change? For me, I knew she came from a wrestling family and I expected her to be better-known for her undoubted ability in her chosen field than for daily pictures of herself posing and pouting in her mirror. That and she marketed herself as the anti-diva. I know she hasn't done that since going to the main roster but it's how I knew her first. She's still great, though.
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 19, 2015 11:37:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why Paige is being singled out as a disappointment. Is it just because "she can wrestle"? I mean, if we're talking about how AJ offered a glimmer of hope that there will be a change in the perception of divas, shouldn't the disappointment be that all the other divas are still "typical divas"? Why does Paige have to be the flag-bearer for this change? Many people feel she should know better. She's coming from a wrestling family. She should know how to conduct herself as a wrestler first and foremost. Those of us who followed her before she got signed already knew she was addicted to twitter and instagram. Taking selfies is her hobby. There really hasn't been any change from that.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 19, 2015 11:53:01 GMT -5
So Paige is expected to not like social media or reality shows, she's expected to not participate in business opportunities presented to her, because why? Because she came from the indies?
That's f***ing disgusting.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 19, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily put it like that, but I think we might need a bit of clarification on what "conducting oneself like a wrestler" is supposed to entail.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 12:04:37 GMT -5
So Paige is expected to not like social media or reality shows, she's expected to not participate in business opportunities presented to her, because why? Because she came from the indies? That's f***ing disgusting. Disgusting may be going a little far, but I really don't see the problem, she's not hurting anyone and it doesn't affect her ability to wrestle well. I like Paige, I don't like Total Divas, but her being on it doesn't disappoint me, I just don't watch. I probably won't see her silly Christmas movie either, but her being part of it doesn't make me respect her any less. WWE is WWE, very few people get away with 'just being a wrestler,' even AJ was in the Scooby Doo movie. As for the selfies, I can name dozens of wrestlers, WWE and indies, male and female, who are obsessed with photographing themselves and posting it on social media. And it was WWE who chose to call her an anti-Diva presumably, not Paige herself, so it's their fault for falsely labelling her rather than her being a hypocrite.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 12:06:51 GMT -5
So Paige is expected to not like social media or reality shows, she's expected to not participate in business opportunities presented to her, because why? Because she came from the indies? That's f***ing disgusting. I can only speak for myself but I, personally, am tired of wrestling's women being willingly known first and foremost for their looks. As someone who grew up in wrestling and followed her dream, I expected her to want more than that. She's known and admired primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career. She seemed to me to be the only one other than AJ who could have been known for what she did rather than what she looked like. I don't judge anyone for doing a reality show, I just generally think they're stupid.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 19, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -5
Kaitlyn was better than AJ ever was. I'm an official member of the "BOOOOOOOOO AJ" club and all, but honestly, name one thing Kaitlyn could do better.
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Post by BRV on Apr 19, 2015 12:22:01 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself but I, personally, am tired of wrestling's women being willingly known first and foremost for their looks. As someone who grew up in wrestling and followed her dream, I expected her to want more than that. She's known and admired primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career. She seemed to me to be the only one other than AJ who could have been known for what she did rather than what she looked like. You expected her to want more than that? So a woman who has clawed and fought her way through the independent circuit to be signed by WWE at age 19, then worked her way through the developmental system to be promoted to the main roster at age 21, and has since been one of the focused women's acts in the company and is a multiple-time champion at age 22 doesn't want it? And she's known "primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career"? According to whom? Creeps on the Internet? Because that's probably accurate. As for the rest of the wrestling community, I can't name one person who looks at Paige and thinks "oh yeah, that's the girl with the selfies online." It's not like JBL is on Raw calling out, "Here comes Paige! She loves takin' selfies of herself, Maggle!" And as for this idea that she is known for what she looks like rather than what she does, that may be true, but it's largely true of most WWE divas (and that's not their fault, that's WWE's fault for spending the last generation promoting women as walking, breathing sex toys), but there's no way to know if that was her sole intention. She's always been a fairly attractive girl, it's not like the moment she signed with WWE she went out and colored her hair blonde, coated herself in spray tan, and increased her chest size.
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 19, 2015 12:24:02 GMT -5
Kaitlyn was better than AJ ever was. I'm an official member of the "BOOOOOOOOO AJ" club and all, but honestly, name one thing Kaitlyn could do better. The robot
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 19, 2015 12:53:54 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself but I, personally, am tired of wrestling's women being willingly known first and foremost for their looks. As someone who grew up in wrestling and followed her dream, I expected her to want more than that. She's known and admired primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career. She seemed to me to be the only one other than AJ who could have been known for what she did rather than what she looked like. You expected her to want more than that? So a woman who has clawed and fought her way through the independent circuit to be signed by WWE at age 19, then worked her way through the developmental system to be promoted to the main roster at age 21, and has since been one of the focused women's acts in the company and is a multiple-time champion at age 22 doesn't want it? And she's known "primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career"? According to whom? Creeps on the Internet? Because that's probably accurate. As for the rest of the wrestling community, I can't name one person who looks at Paige and thinks "oh yeah, that's the girl with the selfies online." It's not like JBL is on Raw calling out, "Here comes Paige! She loves takin' selfies of herself, Maggle!" And as for this idea that she is known for what she looks like rather than what she does, that may be true, but it's largely true of most WWE divas (and that's not their fault, that's WWE's fault for spending the last generation promoting women as walking, breathing sex toys), but there's no way to know if that was her sole intention. She's always been a fairly attractive girl, it's not like the moment she signed with WWE she went out and colored her hair blonde, coated herself in spray tan, and increased her chest size.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Apr 19, 2015 12:58:43 GMT -5
Her run as GM....lmfao. it's memorable alright...for being a huge fail. That and those shitty CM Punk type promos were just soooo cool and awesome truly ground breaking stuff right there. I'm glad someone can think of 8 reasons, but I can't think of one. She wasn't that great, certainly wasn't this sex symbol they made her out to be and was flat out annoying in a bad way. There were plenty that were and are better than her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:11:23 GMT -5
You expected her to want more than that? So a woman who has clawed and fought her way through the independent circuit to be signed by WWE at age 19, then worked her way through the developmental system to be promoted to the main roster at age 21, and has since been one of the focused women's acts in the company and is a multiple-time champion at age 22 doesn't want it? And she's known "primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career"? According to whom? Creeps on the Internet? Because that's probably accurate. As for the rest of the wrestling community, I can't name one person who looks at Paige and thinks "oh yeah, that's the girl with the selfies online." It's not like JBL is on Raw calling out, "Here comes Paige! She loves takin' selfies of herself, Maggle!" And as for this idea that she is known for what she looks like rather than what she does, that may be true, but it's largely true of most WWE divas (and that's not their fault, that's WWE's fault for spending the last generation promoting women as walking, breathing sex toys), but there's no way to know if that was her sole intention. She's always been a fairly attractive girl, it's not like the moment she signed with WWE she went out and colored her hair blonde, coated herself in spray tan, and increased her chest size. Pro wrestling is an inherently visual medium and wrestlers taking photographs and recording video is standard practice. When Chris Jericho and Lance Storm started out in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, Jim Cornette had them record these cheesy videos showing them as the Thrillseekers, one where they were horseback riding, and kayfabe'd that they were both single (Lance was married) to attract a female audience. It happens to everyone. In its prime, Joshi (female Japanese wrestling) companies had their wrestlers pose for photobooks, some of them dipping into softcore pornography. You'd even see wrestlers like Aja Kong and Bull Nakano pose in more ring oriented sets because there's a market for that too. It's not new and it's certainly not regulated to WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:45:26 GMT -5
A good article that pretty accurately sums up AJ's contributions to the division. Some people may not agree with all aspects of it, but, well, they'd be wrong, so As for this ongoing Paige debate, taking selfies or doing photoshoots just comes with the territory of being a Diva. Even women like Beth Phoenix or Natalya who are primarily valued for their wrestling ability still did (or currently do, in Nattie's case) that kinda' stuff, because in addition to being good wrestlers they're also attractive women, and WWE is always going to emphasize that fact. It doesn't mean that Paige or Beth or Nattie aren't valued as wrestlers.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 19, 2015 14:00:29 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself but I, personally, am tired of wrestling's women being willingly known first and foremost for their looks. As someone who grew up in wrestling and followed her dream, I expected her to want more than that. She's known and admired primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career. She seemed to me to be the only one other than AJ who could have been known for what she did rather than what she looked like. You expected her to want more than that? So a woman who has clawed and fought her way through the independent circuit to be signed by WWE at age 19, then worked her way through the developmental system to be promoted to the main roster at age 21, and has since been one of the focused women's acts in the company and is a multiple-time champion at age 22 doesn't want it? And she's known "primarily for taking pictures of herself and for pouting in a mirror, rather than for her wrestling career"? According to whom? Creeps on the Internet? Because that's probably accurate. As for the rest of the wrestling community, I can't name one person who looks at Paige and thinks "oh yeah, that's the girl with the selfies online." It's not like JBL is on Raw calling out, "Here comes Paige! She loves takin' selfies of herself, Maggle!" And as for this idea that she is known for what she looks like rather than what she does, that may be true, but it's largely true of most WWE divas (and that's not their fault, that's WWE's fault for spending the last generation promoting women as walking, breathing sex toys), but there's no way to know if that was her sole intention. She's always been a fairly attractive girl, it's not like the moment she signed with WWE she went out and colored her hair blonde, coated herself in spray tan, and increased her chest size. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I find the relentless "mirror pictures" extremely tedious.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Apr 19, 2015 14:45:10 GMT -5
#9
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