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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 27, 2015 10:35:02 GMT -5
I think there are times when, as history rolls on, we forget the smaller details of a larger angle or event and it means we lose some good shit.
Some examples for me:
Royal Rumble 2004; Largely ignored because of Benoit anyway, but I never see anyone mention that Jericho's lionsault on Big Show takes him maybe 2/3 of the way across the ring, he looks like he's sliding on the top of his head for three feet. It's pretty ridiculous.
Montreal, 1997; before the Screwjob, this was a fantastic match, very brutal without being truly hardcore; these two guys clearly hated each other.
The InVasion; for my money, 2001 was the highest level of wrestling quality the WWF has had since I started watching in '99, with only 2013 getting anywhere close. Even when the angles made no sense, the wrestlers were tearing down the house more than they ever had, especially Stone Cold who now that he was working on the neck injury had to be less of a brawler, and be more technical, especially once he went heel.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on May 27, 2015 10:52:06 GMT -5
I think there are times when, as history rolls on, we forget the smaller details of a larger angle or event and it means we lose some good shit. Some examples for me: Royal Rumble 2004; Largely ignored because of Benoit anyway, but I never see anyone mention that Jericho's lionsault on Big Show takes him maybe 2/3 of the way across the ring, he looks like he's sliding on the top of his head for three feet. It's pretty ridiculous. Montreal, 1997; before the Screwjob, this was a fantastic match, very brutal without being truly hardcore; these two guys clearly hated each other. The InVasion; for my money, 2001 was the highest level of wrestling quality the WWF has had since I started watching in '99, with only 2013 getting anywhere close. Even when the angles made no sense, the wrestlers were tearing down the house more than they ever had, especially Stone Cold who now that he was working on the neck injury had to be less of a brawler, and be more technical, especially once he went heel. Huh? I thought it was the case that his initial neck injury at Summerslam '97 forced him to move away from technical wrestling and adopt the brawling style that got over so wildly? 2004 Royal Rumble is brilliant- lots of little moments like that (although that lionsault is very awesome!) I think it's the second-best of the modern era (2001 just nudging it out). |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 27, 2015 11:00:57 GMT -5
Huh? I thought it was the case that his initial neck injury at Summerslam '97 forced him to move away from technical wrestling and adopt the brawling style that got over so wildly? You are right, I somewhat erroneously put up my own theory appearing as if it was factual there. I always theorised that the Attitude Era's surplus of chair shots and high spots might have taken even more of a toll than his technical stuff. |
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on May 27, 2015 13:21:31 GMT -5
Huh? I thought it was the case that his initial neck injury at Summerslam '97 forced him to move away from technical wrestling and adopt the brawling style that got over so wildly? You are right, I somewhat erroneously put up my own theory appearing as if it was factual there. I always theorised that the Attitude Era's surplus of chair shots and high spots might have taken even more of a toll than his technical stuff. Ah I thought you were getting at that he suffered another injury in 2001 that ironically forced him to revert back to his technical style. Like in a cartoon where a bump to the head remedies the effects of a previous bump on the head! Actually, I think that might have been a better storyline explanation for his alliance with McMahon and HHH! |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 27, 2015 13:26:04 GMT -5
Austin didn't eat a terrible amount of chairshots after his neck injury, and usually when he did, they were done in the "baseball batter swing" style to the face area (and thus his arm up in front of it) and not the swing-down over the head way. But yeah, once there's a neck injury, most guys tend to move away from technical stuff which often needs lots of contact with the opponent, and move toward simple punch/kick styles so they don't have to get their neck in situations it doesn't need to be in.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 28, 2015 0:10:55 GMT -5
It's not really related to the question but it bothers me that the superb Orton/Christian match at MITB 2011 is forgotten because it's followed by the Match of the Decade.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 28, 2015 0:17:50 GMT -5
It's not really related to the question but it bothers me that the superb Orton/Christian match at MITB 2011 is forgotten because it's followed by the Match of the Decade. The rest of that card was actually pretty damn good (other than the Divas Championship match which I believe was Kelly Kelly v Brie Bella, and even THAT wasn't completely horrible), with two great ladder matches and a surprisingly good Big Show v Mark Henry match. |
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Post by rybackv1 on May 28, 2015 0:22:44 GMT -5
I was at the Royal Rumble in 04 live in Philly and I honestly don't remember what lionsault your talking about. I guess it really was lost in the shuffle
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 28, 2015 0:23:08 GMT -5
It's not really related to the question but it bothers me that the superb Orton/Christian match at MITB 2011 is forgotten because it's followed by the Match of the Decade. The rest of that card was actually pretty damn good (other than the Divas Championship match which I believe was Kelly Kelly v Brie Bella, and even THAT wasn't completely horrible), with two great ladder matches and a surprisingly good Big Show v Mark Henry match. It was, but I much prefer Orton/Christian to Cena/Punk |
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on May 28, 2015 4:43:20 GMT -5
I think HBK/Cena from WM23 gets overshadowed by Taker/Batista. I thought that was a great match and HBK breaking out moves like the Piledriver on the ringsteps to win.
Don't know if it counts in the grand scheme of things, but for all there countless ppv meetings in 2009, Cena/Orton's Ironman Match is still my favorite from their rivalry.
Even Rusev took Orton's fireworks shtick in the I Quit Match
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 28, 2015 12:04:44 GMT -5
Don't know if it counts in the grand scheme of things, but for all there countless ppv meetings in 2009, Cena/Orton's Ironman Match is still my favorite from their rivalry. I'm going to make a bold statement and say that absolutely nothing Cena and Orton have done together gets anywhere near enough credit. |
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Post by thegame415 on May 28, 2015 13:06:43 GMT -5
Don't know if it counts in the grand scheme of things, but for all there countless ppv meetings in 2009, Cena/Orton's Ironman Match is still my favorite from their rivalry. I'm going to make a bold statement and say that absolutely nothing Cena and Orton have done together gets anywhere near enough credit. Their matches range from great to meh. I really don't think any of them are bad. SummerSlam 2007 and the Iron Man are their two best, IMO. |
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Post by Abdullah on May 28, 2015 13:13:57 GMT -5
Christian versus Del Rio from Summerslam 2013 is totally forgotten but it was a great, great match.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on May 28, 2015 13:20:38 GMT -5
Before Luke Harpers debut in NXT, Bray Wyatt and Jason Jordan had a segment that involved Jordan being really fluid on the mic and not sweating Wyatt at all and Wyatt dropping his voice and breaking character mid-promo in a way that was both seamless and f***ing fascinating and I legit could not wait to see what was going to happen from it.
Then nothing happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:13:41 GMT -5
It's not really related to the question but it bothers me that the superb Orton/Christian match at MITB 2011 is forgotten because it's followed by the Match of the Decade. People have generally praised this as a great ppv in general, not just a one match show. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 28, 2015 17:22:03 GMT -5
I'm going to make a bold statement and say that absolutely nothing Cena and Orton have done together gets anywhere near enough credit. Their matches range from great to meh. I really don't think any of them are bad. SummerSlam 2007 and the Iron Man are their two best, IMO. I think Hell in a Cell 2009 was their best outing. SummerSlam 2007 was good too. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 29, 2015 1:02:52 GMT -5
It's not really related to the question but it bothers me that the superb Orton/Christian match at MITB 2011 is forgotten because it's followed by the Match of the Decade. People have generally praised this as a great ppv in general, not just a one match show. Sure, but Orton/Christian has been overlooked due to what followed it |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 29, 2015 2:42:08 GMT -5
Christian versus Del Rio from Summerslam 2013 is totally forgotten but it was a great, great match. That match would have been the best match on 99.9999% of wrestling shows ever, and it was the 3rd best on that card. Absolutely insane. |
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