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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 2, 2015 20:47:11 GMT -5
dave ROH at 8 p.m. 157,000 viewers (lowest to date) TNA at 9 p.m. 267,000 viewers (lowest to date except for the week they ran a show from one year earlier) ROH at 11 p.m. 81,000 viewers (lowest to date) TNA at midnight 51,000 viewers (lowest to date) Boy do those numbers speak volumes. From both sides perspective, that has to be a huge disappointment. He is looking way too deep into that ROH number. 3rd or 4th week on a holiday week and down only 30k from what was their high point? That is not bad, now getting into post PPV stuff and still dropping large chunks every week would be bad.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 2, 2015 22:30:21 GMT -5
dave ROH at 8 p.m. 157,000 viewers (lowest to date) TNA at 9 p.m. 267,000 viewers (lowest to date except for the week they ran a show from one year earlier) ROH at 11 p.m. 81,000 viewers (lowest to date) TNA at midnight 51,000 viewers (lowest to date) Boy do those numbers speak volumes. From both sides perspective, that has to be a huge disappointment. Wrestling just isn't as popular as it used to be. A lot of fans left with WCW. Make no mistake: tons of them left with the death of the territories (and death of kayfabe, one can argue). As huge as Hulk Hogan was and as much as he and, later, the nWo and Austin made pro wrestling a mainstream pop culture staple in the 80s and 90s, the rise of the WWF and death of the territories began a process of waning popularity for pro wrestling that has continued steadily since 1984. For a company like ROH to break through that waning beyond a small, niche audience is going to take a miracle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 22:54:15 GMT -5
The number might well be because of the holiday and nothing more; dunno if that can be said for Raw (though possibly) given it came a couple of days sooner but by the first, probably did have some people starting to head out to go visit family or the beach or whatever.
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Post by jimmyjames on Jul 2, 2015 23:28:44 GMT -5
The number might well be because of the holiday and nothing more; dunno if that can be said for Raw (though possibly) given it came a couple of days sooner but by the first, probably did have some people starting to head out to go visit family or the beach or whatever. I have to agree. If it was just one show you could say it was because of something they did or didn't do in particular, but when both with lows, more than likely it was because of outside factors.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 2, 2015 23:48:46 GMT -5
I feel this particularly sucks for TNA and EC3 - they build up his match with Angle for months, and they took it off their own PPV, just so they could put it on Impact and draw viewers. Instead, it's their lowest rating to date. Yeesh.
Ratings are down across the board, from Raw, TNA, ROH, it's not a popular time of year for wrestling.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 2, 2015 23:52:47 GMT -5
The interesting part that ROH had a much bigger margin in there replace compared to TNA. Wrestling isn't what it used too be and that because the lack of quality TV. There isn't that MUST SEE TV factor Austin/McMahon was bring us or the NWO. The one guy everyone wants to pay money to see and monster over none of the company HAS that guy. Nobody has a Prime years Hogan, Rock, and Austin top. Cena lost his edge years ago and now only popular in the not so majority anymore. The only guy that could been that next guy is Bryan but injuries stopped that.
The other guy who may have a chance to done it is Ambrose but WWE isn't giving him that BIG win and the belt. Now I know this is all WWE stuff but ROH lacks THE guy but then again they are also a company who still growing there audience as they never been exposed to this many possible viewer ever so ROH I think will get better numbers as time goes on and TNA lacks to much in a company promotional stand point to have a true "GUY" and the closest guys they had to do that both left. Styles and Joe but again mismanaged both of them.
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Post by jimmyjames on Jul 3, 2015 0:57:40 GMT -5
I feel this particularly sucks for TNA and EC3 - they build up his match with Angle for months, and they took it off their own PPV, just so they could put it on Impact and draw viewers. Instead, it's their lowest rating to date. Yeesh. Ratings are down across the board, from Raw, TNA, ROH, it's not a popular time of year for wrestling. I don't know how much they advertised the EC3 vs. Angle match, because I thought it was suppose to be at Slammiversary, so I don't know it was suppose to be able to draw casual fans to Impact.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 3, 2015 3:13:16 GMT -5
If TNA was in a healthier position, I could imagine some guys using that rating as ammo to badmouth EC3 and push themselves into his position instead.
As it stands, everyone is barely existing there anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 6:48:28 GMT -5
Yeah wrestling has lost a ton of popularity. The WWE still does good business based on their monopoly and history, but expecting any company outside of them to make any kind of dent in mainstream wrestling relevancy at this point is pointless. Build a niche following and be happy with any profit you get.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 3, 2015 9:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah wrestling has lost a ton of popularity. The WWE still does good business based on their monopoly and history, but expecting any company outside of them to make any kind of dent in mainstream wrestling relevancy at this point is pointless. Build a niche following and be happy with any profit you get. The reason is as I pointed out when was the last time any wrestling show on a weekly bases was must see TV like it was during the Monday night wars and during the Hulkamania area and ext. Back then the talent had WAY more say in direction and what they say in there promos. Now days everything is a script word for word. The angles are not THAT creative. I mean hell the WWE been doing the same HEEL authority angle since 2013. The only change as been Orton was replaced with Seth as the golden child. I know the Corporation and the NWO went long too but at LESS something changed but the NWO lost steam in 98. The Corparation at less added people did the whole Ministry of darkness. The Authority thing is the same angle from then but only without a clear cut face everyone is behind fighting them. TNA has nothing because the whole revealing door of talent leaving and bad booking. Nobody cares what TNA does anymore and they still believe they can beat the WWE when I doubt at this point they couldn't beat WWE in a game of go fish. I mean only TNA can take the hottest face the WWE had in 08 and make him not a ratings draw at all in 09 in Jeff Hardy. I believe there is a good enough none WWE talent out there you can make a successful company they can draw but the issue is nobody has the money to put together the marketing side of thing like the WWE did and what WCW had. ROH we will see how things go in the next year because I feel they can over take TNA in time as they gain more fan aware of who they are on a bigger network. TNA issue they wanting to do this GFW invasion angle with a company who had what a weekend of shows that was saw but only the few hundred fans that went to it. That's not going to be that effective. What would work more is TNA and ROH went into a war much like ROH and CZW did. At less ROH is a brand that more fans know what it is over GFW. Even then it would be a matter of time that ROH out shines TNA in the ring. Since TNA has talent that are really to green for the spot they are in.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 3, 2015 17:24:52 GMT -5
Stuff like this shows how out of the loop with I am with even niche audiences like Destination America because last week's RoH was the best of the year and this week's was a great edition too despite being a 'Road Rage' edition and yet they drew a lower rating. I know this means very little to RoH because of their position (re: SBG, cheap for DestAm etc.) but it just describes to me how out of touch I am with audiences at the minute because, for my money, ROH is, and has been all year, by far the best company going.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 9, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -5
Both Ring Of Honor and TNA saw their audiences bounce back from the start of last week’s long Fourth Of July weekend.
Impact did 353,000 viewers, well up from the 267,000 that they did last week. The replay did 100,000 viewers, almost double last week’s 51,000. Overall, they did 453,000 viewers.
Ring of Honor did 128,000 viewers, down from last week’s 157,000 viewers for their initial airing. Their replay did 134,000 viewers, up from last week’s 81,000 viewers. Overall, they did 262,000 viewers.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 9, 2015 17:47:26 GMT -5
Wonder if that means anything that ROH's replay actually gained viewers while with TNA, it dropped significantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 18:22:40 GMT -5
Wonder if that means anything that ROH's replay actually gained viewers while with TNA, it dropped significantly. It's probably just because TNA's first run and the ROH replay have better timeslots than their other showings.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 9, 2015 19:34:42 GMT -5
Wonder if that means anything that ROH's replay actually gained viewers while with TNA, it dropped significantly. It's probably just because TNA's first run and the ROH replay have better timeslots than their other showings. 11/10c is not close to a better timeslot than 8/7c. Faces less competition sure but that is late for the vast majority of the country. So either the west coast is carrying ROH or they are in for a massive crash when fall hits.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 9, 2015 19:51:57 GMT -5
f*** TNA can't even put 500 thousand viewers. I'm not counting the Dixie's bullshit +3 fake replay number. They'll soon pull worse numbers than public access.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 9, 2015 20:04:55 GMT -5
Looking back over the 6 week history, this is the first time the ROH replay has done better than the first run (and only by 6k). So that isn't as bad as I thought. Wonder if something returned with new shows or a ball game or something last night that might have taken a few from the first to the second airing.
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Post by jagilki on Jul 9, 2015 20:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 22:03:18 GMT -5
Wonder if that means anything that ROH's replay actually gained viewers while with TNA, it dropped significantly. I think part of it is TNA is a great lead-in for the ROH replay. It sounds funny to say TNA is a great anything, but they do have more viewers. Seems plausible that people tune in for TNA but end up sticking around because there's more wrestling on.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 9, 2015 22:06:08 GMT -5
EC3 as champion = ratings
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