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Post by jwarr on Jul 21, 2015 6:17:51 GMT -5
Heyman's line that set everything in motion last night was fantastic. "You might have sold your soul to the devil, but your ass belongs to Brock Lesnar!"
Pure genius.
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Post by superchamp on Jul 21, 2015 6:32:45 GMT -5
It really bugs me that Kevin Owens was out there But I GUESS if you're looking for reasoning in character HHH threatened his job and his entire means of wrestling existence is his Family. So he'd kill Lesnar and Taker if that's what it took. It's been made clear on-air that Owens and Triple H buddy up to eachother, wouldn't even need any of that it'd just be "hey Kev, I gave you your match with Cena, do me a solid here"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 21, 2015 6:40:31 GMT -5
It's still a complete waste of Lesnar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 6:41:52 GMT -5
It was a standard pull apart brawl. Fun, sure - amazing 5-star brilliance, no.
What WAS gold?
"You can sell your soul to the devil, but your ass belongs to Brock Lesnar" was and is f***ing gold.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 21, 2015 7:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jul 21, 2015 7:21:26 GMT -5
It really bugs me that Kevin Owens was out there But I GUESS if you're looking for reasoning in character HHH threatened his job and his entire means of wrestling existence is his Family. So he'd kill Lesnar and Taker if that's what it took. I didn't like that at first but after the PPV it is not like he matters and it looked like everyone but Cena, Rollins and possibly Orton was out there though. I was just happy he made it without being destroyed by Taker or Brock. The really big names like Cena, Orton, Ambrose, or Reigns are never out for these group wrestler things.
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Post by madness50 on Jul 21, 2015 13:06:56 GMT -5
This is definite wishful thinking, but I wish that in the build to SummerSlam, it's revealed that Taker made a deal with The Authority to get revenge on Brock and keep Seth as champion. Every single time Brock has fought Taker, Brock has been the heel. It would be something fresh if Taker sold his soul to HHH in order to get to Brock.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Jul 21, 2015 14:05:37 GMT -5
Still think if Taker gets his win back then it utterly ruins the Streak ending because it means the big payoff is The Conqueror was conquered by.....the guy he beat who is retiring soon. But that has me interested in the match. Nope. They're not getting me into this. I don't care. Random-ass main event no one was clamoring for, involving 2 guys who won't be around again until the Rumble. A paternity test that tells us that Heyman is Taker's real dad wouldn't make me want to see this match. It would for me given Heyman's younger than Taker. Time-Travelling Womaniser Paul Heyman is a licence to print money. Agreed 100% I can't see any good outcome for this match. 'Taker wins - Brock is still a f***ing beast, but meh, the shine is off the whole destroyer of worlds, final boss vibe he had going that made him a major special attraction (Streak killing being a big part of that) Brock wins - It's...just sort of sad. He beats a dilapidated old man, doesn't make him look good, makes 'Taker look like he's for the glue factory. But yeah, best segment on Raw in maybe a decade. I stopped doing other stuff for the first Raw in forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 14:26:24 GMT -5
Still think if Taker gets his win back then it utterly ruins the Streak ending because it means the big payoff is The Conqueror was conquered by.....the guy he beat who is retiring soon. But that has me interested in the match. Nope. They're not getting me into this. I don't care. Random-ass main event no one was clamoring for, involving 2 guys who won't be around again until the Rumble. A paternity test that tells us that Heyman is Taker's real dad wouldn't make me want to see this match. It would for me given Heyman's younger than Taker. Time-Travelling Womaniser Paul Heyman is a licence to print money. LOL Touche, sir. Touche.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 21, 2015 14:26:21 GMT -5
This is definite wishful thinking, but I wish that in the build to SummerSlam, it's revealed that Taker made a deal with The Authority to get revenge on Brock and keep Seth as champion. Every single time Brock has fought Taker, Brock has been the heel. It would be something fresh if Taker sold his soul to HHH in order to get to Brock. I get the impression that is exactly what Lesnar and Heyman believe, hence the "sold his soul to the devil" line. Same line they used when Austin joined up with Vince in 2001.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 21, 2015 14:48:41 GMT -5
First off, Heyman is the greatest and most compelling promo in wrestling history in my opinion. He. Is. Incredible.
Secondly, if they do face v face at Summerslam I would have the match be an absolute WAR. I would have Lesnar take the most punishment and be completely wrecked at the end (with Taker not far behind), but with Brock still finding a way to win at the end in a clean manner.
After Brock has earnt Taker's respect, and perhaps Taker can opbely question if he still has it; cue Sting and a match at Survivor Series or WM.
Brock after the match is totally laid out and injured, which would be his kayfabe explanation for being off screen till January. Yet still not pinned and still THE CONQUEROR.
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Post by JTH on Jul 21, 2015 14:50:34 GMT -5
I didn't give a single shit when Heyman was talking. I didn't care when Taker first showed up. But oh mah goodness, that brawl was freakin' FANTASTIC and immediatly sold me on their match. Yes, the brawl was great. Besides until people realize it was at the expense of burying about 30 people on the WWE Roster. 30 WWE Superstars (Including notables: Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, Sheamus, Kevin Owens, Mark Herny "World's Strongest Man" and about 25 other superstars), can't keep 2 guys from beating the piss out of each other? Being Benny Hill'd as 40 and 50 year old men run circles around them all. It makes all of those guys involved in that look weak, and like a bunch of fools. The repeated scuffles are what the security guys are supposed to be for, make the non-superstars look weak. But when the actual WWE guys get out there, the fighting should be over, it makes the other superstars look, oh I don't know WWE...strong? Think about it this way, why weren't Orton, Reigns, or Cena out there to stop the brawl? Because we've been trained to believe that any of those guys were out there, they could stop the fight on their own, by themselves. Where as everyone else...couldn't stop two elderly women from fighting in a bingo hall. Can't have guys like Reigns and Cena out there. Can't possibly make any of those guys look weak. It just amazes me, by not even trying, WWE can bury nearly 90% of their roster over the purpose of smashing over Brock and Taker as strong...something I think all of us had already established before then...
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jul 21, 2015 16:32:25 GMT -5
WTF? TheAscension looked stupid hitting the ring!
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 21, 2015 16:45:09 GMT -5
I didn't give a single shit when Heyman was talking. I didn't care when Taker first showed up. But oh mah goodness, that brawl was freakin' FANTASTIC and immediatly sold me on their match. Yes, the brawl was great. Besides until people realize it was at the expense of burying about 30 people on the WWE Roster. 30 WWE Superstars (Including notables: Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, Sheamus, Kevin Owens, Mark Herny "World's Strongest Man" and about 25 other superstars), can't keep 2 guys from beating the piss out of each other? Being Benny Hill'd as 40 and 50 year old men run circles around them all. It makes all of those guys involved in that look weak, and like a bunch of fools. The repeated scuffles are what the security guys are supposed to be for, make the non-superstars look weak. But when the actual WWE guys get out there, the fighting should be over, it makes the other superstars look, oh I don't know WWE...strong? Think about it this way, why weren't Orton, Reigns, or Cena out there to stop the brawl? Because we've been trained to believe that any of those guys were out there, they could stop the fight on their own, by themselves. Where as everyone else...couldn't stop two elderly women from fighting in a bingo hall. Can't have guys like Reigns and Cena out there. Can't possibly make any of those guys look weak. It just amazes me, by not even trying, WWE can bury nearly 90% of their roster over the purpose of smashing over Brock and Taker as strong...something I think all of us had already established before then... It's a shame you couldn't enjoy a fun segment because you couldn't look past midcarders not being able to hold back Bork and Taker
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Post by KobashiChop on Jul 21, 2015 16:53:44 GMT -5
This was f***ing awesome. Im excited for the rematch.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jul 21, 2015 16:56:31 GMT -5
It really bugs me that Kevin Owens was out there But I GUESS if you're looking for reasoning in character HHH threatened his job and his entire means of wrestling existence is his Family. So he'd kill Lesnar and Taker if that's what it took. I didn't like that at first but after the PPV it is not like he matters and it looked like everyone but Cena, Rollins and possibly Orton was out there though. I was just happy he made it without being destroyed by Taker or Brock. Wyatt and ambrse and reigns also I believe.
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Post by JTH on Jul 21, 2015 17:18:58 GMT -5
Yes, the brawl was great. Besides until people realize it was at the expense of burying about 30 people on the WWE Roster. 30 WWE Superstars (Including notables: Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, Sheamus, Kevin Owens, Mark Herny "World's Strongest Man" and about 25 other superstars), can't keep 2 guys from beating the piss out of each other? Being Benny Hill'd as 40 and 50 year old men run circles around them all. It makes all of those guys involved in that look weak, and like a bunch of fools. The repeated scuffles are what the security guys are supposed to be for, make the non-superstars look weak. But when the actual WWE guys get out there, the fighting should be over, it makes the other superstars look, oh I don't know WWE...strong? Think about it this way, why weren't Orton, Reigns, or Cena out there to stop the brawl? Because we've been trained to believe that any of those guys were out there, they could stop the fight on their own, by themselves. Where as everyone else...couldn't stop two elderly women from fighting in a bingo hall. Can't have guys like Reigns and Cena out there. Can't possibly make any of those guys look weak. It just amazes me, by not even trying, WWE can bury nearly 90% of their roster over the purpose of smashing over Brock and Taker as strong...something I think all of us had already established before then... It's a shame you couldn't enjoy a fun segment because you couldn't look past midcarders not being able to hold back Bork and Taker Alright then, I don't wanna hear any bitching about John Cena getting the title shot at Summerslam then. If people are fine with the whole roster looking like goofs, don't be crying when Cena's holding the belt by summer's end.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jul 21, 2015 17:23:16 GMT -5
This is definite wishful thinking, but I wish that in the build to SummerSlam, it's revealed that Taker made a deal with The Authority to get revenge on Brock and keep Seth as champion. Every single time Brock has fought Taker, Brock has been the heel. It would be something fresh if Taker sold his soul to HHH in order to get to Brock. Actually, if you remember in 1998, Taker cut a promo where he said he spent most of his time in the WWF keeping Vinces "kingdom" safe for his handpicked champions. That would kind of work in this scenario...
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jul 21, 2015 17:40:38 GMT -5
First off, Heyman is the greatest and most compelling promo in wrestling history in my opinion. He. Is. Incredible. He really is. You can see why the ECW guys loved working for him even without any money. If Paul Heyman wanted to start an ACTUAL cult, he'd already have dozens of followers by the end of the week. Also, Brock's 40? Holy crap. he's the inverse Rhyno to me. I always think of Brock as mid-30s at most.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 21, 2015 17:44:22 GMT -5
It's a shame you couldn't enjoy a fun segment because you couldn't look past midcarders not being able to hold back Bork and Taker Alright then, I don't wanna hear any bitching about John Cena getting the title shot at Summerslam then. If people are fine with the whole roster looking like goofs, don't be crying when Cena's holding the belt by summer's end. You seen how many cops it takes to hold down one untrained struggling guy if he really doesn't want to be in cuffs? Taker is a supernatural being and Brock is a living genetic beast. This is the logical extension of the drunk in cuffs thrashing around. Wrestling is a cartoon. Nobody got buried, and most of it wasn't them overpowering anyone. It was playing possum and slipping away, which is something two of the all time greats of wrestling should be able to do.
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