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Post by Captain & Diet on Aug 24, 2015 22:31:02 GMT -5
Sasha should join PCB and then have the final segment of next week's Raw just be a Nexus-style ass kicking of the Bellas with the four of them wrecking the ring area. When Steph tries to stop them, they destroy her (add Paige choking Steph with a belt for full Nexus effect). Make them heels. Or tweeners. But let them shine and set them apart from the vapid, reality show stereotype.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 24, 2015 22:31:22 GMT -5
I disagree with scrapping it. Just adjust it, quickly but logically. Break the teams up over the next few weeks, out of frustrations because The Dominant Bellas. Drop the insistent Divas Revolution talk, and especially don't have any of them mention it. And now that the audience is getting conditioned to having longer womens' matches, throw a 15 minute Sasha vs. Charlotte match out there and see if they can get the crowd. If it doesn't work, try it again for a few weeks. If it doesn't after that, well I'm not getting paid so I'm not figuring it out beyond that. My point is, don't just say f*** it and nuke the whole thing, just change the approach, figure out how to make it work. That's how I feel. Something just needs to be done because the way this is going this route leads to nowhere.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 24, 2015 22:31:52 GMT -5
"These women are GREAT. All of them have their own, well developed characters. And they can work...both in the ring and on the stick."
"GREAT!"
"So, how do we want to book them?"
"Well, we've got to have the Bellas look strong. So, we'll bring them up and let them be cannon fodder for them. They're the absolute best in the world and girls want to be them!"
"Ummm...you buck tooth motherfu...."
"VINCE! PAUL CALLED ME A NAME!!"
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Post by Jiren on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:00 GMT -5
Give them characters, not just "Bitch #", Keep Sasha like that though as that's her gimmick and she's bloody good at it.
Get rid of the Bellas, They're an Albatross around the division
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:11 GMT -5
They gave them 15 minutes tonight and 15 minutes on pay-per-view. How else are they supposed to bring the girls up without having them fight the current divas? and if they just completely job the current divas out to them, then the new divas have no one to wrestle so that gets us nowhere either. You let them get their characters over, have more than one feud and stop relying on things that have failed to gain a following. You don't just throw 3 girls in the division, tell people it is different now and walk away dusting your hands off. WWE actually has to put some effort in and not just walk away from a job they they didn't even start and claim it to be finished. Yeah but everyone kept talking about the matches that the divas were having in NXT, I never heard a peep about characters and stories because they didn't make sense all the time either (i.e. Charlotte and Becky Lynch turning face for no reason, the revolving door of everyone turning on Bayley once a month) but giving them time to wrestle was a huge thing everyone asked for. They got the time the last couple of days and each time was the worst match on the show. At what point do you at least criticize the talent too for not putting on a great match?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:13 GMT -5
Here's what we do.
- Take the belt off of Nikki immediately - Have a tournament for the title - Make sure the NXT girls go against each other a few times in the tourney and show how they're above the other divas in ringwork - Make sure Nikki is NOT in the finals because you need a damn good match so she ain't gonna give you that - Have the finals be Sasha vs Charlotte or Becky, whichever they'll put on a classic if you let them go - The winner proves they, the NXT girls, are the real deal showing the Revolution is real
Stop of all this crap putting these main roster girls with main roster diva talk and all of this "female gang wars" thing. Just stop it. Show the NXT girls working against each other and trust me, that's when things will rise up. As long as these girls keep going with the main roster divas they won't improve.
You need to show how the NXT girls can go. If you can't do that, you get nothing.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:26 GMT -5
IMO they screwed it up from the start. None of these teams feel like legitimate teammates. They're just together because teacher assigned them to each other. Then ever since then they just wrestle in meaningless combinations of singles, and tag matches that don't achieve anything. A revolution needs to have a goal, and needs to have a clear sense of oppression from a tangible source. Nothing about this revolution has properly established that. It's just another buzzword Stephanie can spew out along with her other thousand corporate slang terms as she tries to ride off the back of the women who are actually putting the sweat in. Agreed. This feels less like a revolution (where you get a bunch of singles competitors taking each other to the next level on TV to prove how badly they want the Diva's championship), and more of the usual "Women's stuff, but with teams this time!". I wasn't expecting the G1 Climax, I figured something a little better than a series of matches about as meaningful as the AWA Team Challenge Series (and Nikki Bella is no Jake Milliman).
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 24, 2015 22:33:51 GMT -5
I feel like the "The Divas Revolution, You Guys" thread pretty much covers this. I don't know about you, but I love multiple threads complaining about the exact same thing.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 24, 2015 22:34:25 GMT -5
You're in the minority then. Fans live and online have resented the diva division for years for a reason. We all know that's simply a fact. It's been the annoying piss break segment of shows for years. Let's be honest, that's the stigma we see and have mostly all said. We're at a strange time though because fans are BEGGING WWE to treat it with more respect and quit having it be that piss break. NXT's women division has made womens wrestling exciting and fans want to see it on a bigger stage. They want to have that equal footing with men. WWE has one foot in the door and one out, it has to make a choice here on which way to take the division. Yeah, but the Bellas haven't always been there. If all the online fans have such contempt for the Divas Division, why shouldn't we blame other Divas? People have treated Divas matches as "piss-breaks" for a long time and it's not just because of Nikki and Brie. Some of us actually do enjoy the Divas and have for a long time. I don't need every Divas match to be a 15 minute 5-star classic to enjoy it. It def didn't start with the Bellas. This is a very long deeply entrenched issue with what women in WWE are. Not everything needs to or can be as incredible as what Takeover's given us for months. But it can be so much more than what it's been. I'll say this, at least we're past pillow fights and mud wrestling and Playboy and bra & panty matches, but there's still a ways to go. Thank God we've gotten as far as we have. That doesn't mean we can't continue to hope for better.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 24, 2015 22:34:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it's done with. Take that title off of Nikki and give it to one of the other girls before she hits that milestone to save anything from this "Revolution" because from what I can see is this. Say the Revolution continues to fail (and it will) and Nikki becomes the longest reigning champion. There's nothing the NXT girls can do to overcome that. They need to salvage this thing. It's done. Nikki should break the record. She should lose at night of champions whether it is to sasha or charlotte. She needs to break that stupid record. Then the new champ gets the moniker of ending the longest reign and "saving" the division. Leading to 3 minute tag matches and 6 minute clusterf*** title defenses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:34:12 GMT -5
You let them get their characters over, have more than one feud and stop relying on things that have failed to gain a following. You don't just throw 3 girls in the division, tell people it is different now and walk away dusting your hands off. WWE actually has to put some effort in and not just walk away from a job they they didn't even start and claim it to be finished. Yeah but everyone kept talking about the matches that the divas were having in NXT, I never heard a peep about characters and stories because they didn't make sense all the time either (i.e. Charlotte and Becky Lynch turning face for no reason, the revolving door of everyone turning on Bayley once a month) but giving them time to wrestle was a huge thing everyone asked for. They got the time the last couple of days and each time was the worst match on the show. At what point do you at least criticize the talent too for not putting on a great match? Because just giving them time to have matches wasn't the only thing people were talking about. I feel like this has been said way too many times for people to miss it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:34:37 GMT -5
That's the thing. There's no reason to care about these matches and the talent level isn't there to turn a meaningless match into something entertaining. The angle makes little sense, isn't developed, and the teams exists for... Reasons.
I can't blame the crowd for the reaction. In that building, just two days ago, we saw a crowd captivated by a Womens title match. Tonight, we saw a fumbling promo segment followed by a forgettable tag match. The only positive is that Sasha didn't have to be involved in that nonsense.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 24, 2015 22:35:02 GMT -5
Until Vince dies and/or Dunn is fired, nothing about women's wrestling will change in the WWE.
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Post by Jiren on Aug 24, 2015 22:36:05 GMT -5
Isn't the record Survivor Series?
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 24, 2015 22:36:47 GMT -5
We now getting at the point where the talent is blaming the fans
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:37:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it's done with. Take that title off of Nikki and give it to one of the other girls before she hits that milestone to save anything from this "Revolution" because from what I can see is this. Say the Revolution continues to fail (and it will) and Nikki becomes the longest reigning champion. There's nothing the NXT girls can do to overcome that. They need to salvage this thing. It's done. Nikki should break the record. She should lose at night of champions whether it is to sasha or charlotte. She needs to break that stupid record. Then the new champ gets the moniker of ending the longest reign and "saving" the division. Leading to 3 minute tag matches and 6 minute clusterf*** title defenses. You honestly think they're going to say "she beat the longest reigning Divas champion ever" more than "Nikki Bella is the longest reigning Divas champion in history" with the WWE? No they will not. I can guarantee you the moment Nikki beats that record unless someone surpasses it and she's in good graces with the company, the other girls can never overcome that. Saying "well they beat that person" won't mean a thing. It's the same thing with undefeated streaks. Besides Lesnar, no one's ever brought up an undefeated streak beater more than the person they beat. It's never that way. Look at Shield. Even when they bring up that they used to be undefeated do they ever say who beat them? Nope. Same thing with Bruno, do they ever mention who beat Bruno? Nope. Do they ever mention who beat Hogan's long reign? Nope. Same thing with damn near every reign. It never changes. Someone beating Nikki for that reign won't do anything besides seem ok for a moment but after that? They'll never overcome it. It'll be in the history books forever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:38:18 GMT -5
At least they get on TV. Looks like Kevin Dunn has buried Sasha Banks.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 24, 2015 22:38:49 GMT -5
We now getting at the point where the talent is blaming the fans Which is always stupid. I get why it's done (creating can be a very insular process), but it's stupid. They should save that fire for the bookers.
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Post by wwotbh on Aug 24, 2015 22:40:19 GMT -5
The current "revolution" is pretty much just the same division we've had for ~10 years or so only with new warm bodies. True change is going to have to wait until a changing of the guard happens at the top and the actual philosophy of women being equally important and capable as men instead of just the lip service makes its way over.
It makes me sad to even consider Bayley moving up to the main roster. She's a god in NXT with all the potential in the world but you can already see how poorly her career is going to go once she moves up. Like it won't even be embarrassingly bad, she'll just...be there. Another warm body in a 5 minute 15-woman "match". Never pushed because she doesn't have the look. Completely depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:41:16 GMT -5
We now getting at the point where the talent is blaming the fans I mean, if NXT can have women's matches people are vested in but Raw by and large doesn't...how does that...why...who...? Then again, this is a company that loved to pretend the people who watched Smackdown and the people who watched Raw were two totally different audiences, so...
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