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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2015 12:29:51 GMT -5
Has anyone made a joke about Rollins Summerslam outfit yet? "If it ain't white, it ain't right!" |
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Aug 30, 2015 12:37:18 GMT -5
*starts reading things on that page* Well, ummm...that's a thing. I especially like the one that says, "The shit girls put on the internet baffles me." The irony. Honestly, even without the racist remarks, she just comes off like such a stupid person. |
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Post by Raskovnik on Aug 30, 2015 12:47:53 GMT -5
I don't actively follow joshi wrestling (though I am excited about the Kana signing), so I don't know the context of her using this as entrance attire, but I don't know if this picture really merits discussion. Yes, the color and style of the jacket are pretty similar to the ones worn by the nazi military. But unless there is a swastika badge on the right lapel that is out of view, there is nothing really here as blatant as Zara here. Going for shock value sure, but unless someone digs up Kana going on racist twitter rants, I don't think there is too much of a correlation. It helps that she's playing a heel. |
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Aug 30, 2015 12:49:44 GMT -5
"Once I almost even let a black person in my house!"  "He ate in my kitchen!" |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 30, 2015 12:49:58 GMT -5
She's just a twit from what I'm seeing. I'm a bit confused by why people think the pony picture is crossing a line. Or I should rephrase, I get why someone might be offended by the picture, but the whole thing of "the first picture, whatever, but a pony with a Hitler mustache? She's a Nazi" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's an absurd picture, everything I see here strikes me as a girl who fancies herself a unique, non-conforming, intellectual princess without much actual intelligence to be authentic. It's attention seeking behavior. I don't agree she should be fired for being a twit, it's from 2012 so in my opinion the statute of limitations has passed to justify the outrage, people can mature over that kind of time. I don't think the Hitler pony said "clearly, she's a Nazi" so much as "clearly, she's a dumbass". The fact of the matter is, regardless of whether she was using the swastika in a Nazi context or a Buddhist context (on which I call bullshit, because it's in the middle of a wreath with an eagle on top, which has only ever stood to symbolize one thing), the smart thing to do, if she had plans on having a career in the public eye, would be to say "my bad", delete the picture, and shut the f*** up for a while. Instead, she doubled down with the Hitler pony like a 12 year old saying "lol 2edgy4u". Add to that, the despicable shit she posted on Twitter, she just seems like she's not ready for prime time. I mean, hell, Jessicka Havok got reamed across the board for as much, and she actually has some sort of resume to quantify her value. Apart from having an alt look and f***ing Seth Rollins, what does Zahra Schreiber actually bring to the table? Mind you, Complex and UPROXX have already jumped on the story. Would she really be that big a loss that it's worth sticking by her when they didn't even stick by the guy who made them a household name? |
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 30, 2015 12:54:12 GMT -5
Japan treats ww2 as them being victims of war crime when they killed just as many people as the nazis, raped, pillaged, and plundered sacred artifacts. And in japan they also have a romantacism of nazis that you see in art, anime, manga, and whatnot.
Because the uniform looked cool and they love drawing aryan ideal.
But their strong held belief in japan doing no wrong and a friendship with germany leads to the japanese having no context on why nazis or even japanese ww2 villifying is a thing everywhere.
Like this evident everywhere of everybody making nazi jokes. But then you have the japanese doing biochemical warfare experiments, eating the captured pows during death marches. Rapes and destruction of whole cities. Then you got the comfort women from australia, to korea, to the philippines.
Yeah japan did some shitty stuff.
But, just a backdrop as to why kana would choose nazi uniform. Or generalissimo takada. The nazi uniform just looks cool.
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Post by ookkie on Aug 30, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks stuff like that is funny or clever needs a reality check. I've been to Auswitch and Birkenau, nothing about the nazi's is worth admiring. Why hasn't she been fired yet? If this is the person Rollins want to spend his life with, then he's a pretty screwed up guy. I haven't been to Auschwitz or Birkenau, but I have been to a transit camp in the Netherlands called Vught. Many children were held there and eventually shipped off for extermination, one as young as six days old. The 'Monument to the Children' was heartbreaking:  Zahra may not be a Nazi sympathizer or anything, but trivializing the group and their actions is irresponsible. |
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 30, 2015 13:06:20 GMT -5
If you look at what the germans and japanese did in ww2, it gets real confusing in regards to why people would create a fandom
But hey when your grandma talks about hiding in the sewers when japanese came and avoiding being on the street lest you get killed for breaking the rule of being in the line of sight.
Evil, vile people the imperial army was.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 30, 2015 13:07:02 GMT -5
]True but it was against Drew MacIntyre who was the boring one in even 3MB. Victimless crime, plus TNA still hired/pushed Terell but they would never touch Hogan or a known Nazi Sympathizer methinks. So if you don't like someone as a performer it's okay to attack them in public? Yikes. Tiffany got fired, but Drew was the one that was attacked and lost any hope of a major push within the macho atmosphere of the WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:07:52 GMT -5
She's just a twit from what I'm seeing. I'm a bit confused by why people think the pony picture is crossing a line. Or I should rephrase, I get why someone might be offended by the picture, but the whole thing of "the first picture, whatever, but a pony with a Hitler mustache? She's a Nazi" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's an absurd picture, everything I see here strikes me as a girl who fancies herself a unique, non-conforming, intellectual princess without much actual intelligence to be authentic. It's attention seeking behavior. I don't agree she should be fired for being a twit, it's from 2012 so in my opinion the statute of limitations has passed to justify the outrage, people can mature over that kind of time. I don't think the Hitler pony said "clearly, she's a Nazi" so much as "clearly, she's a dumbass". The fact of the matter is, regardless of whether she was using the swastika in a Nazi context or a Buddhist context (on which I call bullshit, because it's in the middle of a wreath with an eagle on top, which has only ever stood to symbolize one thing), the smart thing to do, if she had plans on having a career in the public eye, would be to say "my bad", delete the picture, and shut the f*** up for a while. Instead, she doubled down with the Hitler pony like a 12 year old saying "lol 2edgy4u". Add to that, the despicable shit she posted on Twitter, she just seems like she's not ready for prime time. I mean, hell, Jessicka Havok got reamed across the board for as much, and she actually has some sort of resume to quantify her value. Apart from having an alt look and f***ing Seth Rollins, what does Zahra Schreiber actually bring to the table? Mind you, Complex and UPROXX have already jumped on the story. Would she really be that big a loss that it's worth sticking by her when they didn't even stick by the guy who made them a household name? But again the fact that Hulk Hogan is a household name was why WWE had to act quick in either just eliminating him or trying to admonish him of guilt and they chose the former. This is much different because she's not even a fraction the name that Hogan is. We simply can't really estimate her value, it's purely a judgment call on WWE's part. From where I sit I can't see there being much harm whether she stays or she goes, and though there's no real way of knowing, I can't imagine this is something that won't blow over in time, maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if WWE think that she has potential to be something I wouldn't look at this as a reason to terminate unless she was taking that petulant asshole attitude to work with her. I can agree that between Havok and Zahra, the odds are we aren't missing much if we never see them again, but on an ethical level I just never agree with taking food off of someone's table for words and pictures on a screen. There should be social consequences, definitely. Zahra being lambasted as a could be racist and Nazi sympathizer are the kind of social consequences that a person who behaves like that deserves, I don't know why people get so personally invested in getting them fired beyond that. Twitter's a bad barometer to measure human worth because everyone's so goddamn psychotic on there. |
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Aug 30, 2015 13:16:54 GMT -5
*starts reading things on that page* Well, ummm...that's a thing. I especially like the one that says, "The shit girls put on the internet baffles me." The irony. Honestly, even without the racist remarks, she just comes off like such a stupid person. I wasn't even referring to that shit, just the whole website in general. A bunch of lame ass gossip with no evidence or facts to back up a lot of the crap said on there. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 30, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -5
I don't actively follow joshi wrestling (though I am excited about the Kana signing), so I don't know the context of her using this as entrance attire, but I don't know if this picture really merits discussion. Yes, the color and style of the jacket are pretty similar to the ones worn by the nazi military. But unless there is a swastika badge on the right lapel that is out of view, there is nothing really here as blatant as Zara here. Going for shock value sure, but unless someone digs up Kana going on racist twitter rants, I don't think there is too much of a correlation. It helps that she's playing a heel. plus different cultures, and different general knowledge. I don't think it's as widely known in Japan exactly what the Nazis were doing, they just know it was a war they were on the wrong side of. Another good example is that someone surveyed Afghan citizens once, and only about 5% of them knew what Bin Laden did. The rest were horrified. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:32:04 GMT -5
I especially like the one that says, "The shit girls put on the internet baffles me." The irony. Honestly, even without the racist remarks, she just comes off like such a stupid person. I wasn't even referring to that shit, just the whole website in general. A bunch of lame ass gossip with no evidence or facts to back up a lot of the crap said on there. Nothing's shocking to me anymore since learning there is now dirtsheets for the dirtsheets. www.sheetsandwich.com/ |
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 30, 2015 13:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 30, 2015 13:41:55 GMT -5
Japan treats ww2 as them being victims of war crime when they killed just as many people as the nazis, raped, pillaged, and plundered sacred artifacts. And in japan they also have a romantacism of nazis that you see in art, anime, manga, and whatnot. Because the uniform looked cool and they love drawing aryan ideal. But their strong held belief in japan doing no wrong and a friendship with germany leads to the japanese having no context on why nazis or even japanese ww2 villifying is a thing everywhere. Like this evident everywhere of everybody making nazi jokes. But then you have the japanese doing biochemical warfare experiments, eating the captured pows during death marches. Rapes and destruction of whole cities. Then you got the comfort women from australia, to korea, to the philippines. Yeah japan did some shitty stuff. But, just a backdrop as to why kana would choose nazi uniform. Or generalissimo takada. The nazi uniform just looks cool. Not to get into post-war guilt and psychology too much, but Japan has always had a real problem facing up to what their country did in the Second World War. I'm not condemning or condoning it, so much as saying that it's simply something a lot of people would have trouble accepting and admitting. The German people could at least point to the Nazis and their ideology for the worst of the crimes committed in their name. Not to say they weren't complicit in some fashion, at times, but the vile beliefs of their rulers were not shared by all the people. But with Japan, it was their whole way of life and their belief in codes of honour and the idea of a divine emperor that led them to attempt to build an empire and to treat prisoners in such appalling, inhuman ways. And then the dropping of the Atom Bombs was so brutal an end to all of that, that I can understand the reluctance to develop a self-incriminating narrative like Germany did. I don't think they teach that to Japanese children in school. You could argue (and many have) that Japan was the victim of a war crime, in the way the war ended. But they damned sure committed war crimes themselves, along the way. But back to Rollins' girlfriend: If she's just a moron who doesn't understand the historical significance of that symbol, then make her watch a few documentaries (I would say make her read a few books, but I guess that might be a big ask) and see if she still feels the same. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Aug 30, 2015 13:42:37 GMT -5
I wasn't even referring to that shit, just the whole website in general. A bunch of lame ass gossip with no evidence or facts to back up a lot of the crap said on there. Nothing's shocking to me anymore since learning there is now dirtsheets for the dirtsheets. www.sheetsandwich.com/I like how a major qualification for one of the contributors (and maybe all of them) is that he's a fifteen year subscriber to Wrestling Observer/F4W, PWInsider, the Torch, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:44:19 GMT -5
I love how when a respected Japanese woman wrestler is brought up wearing Nazi gear she is 100% defended.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 30, 2015 13:46:01 GMT -5
I love how when a respected Japanese woman wrestler is brought up wearing Nazi gear she is 100% defended. Waifus are serious business. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2015 13:50:33 GMT -5
I love how when a respected Japanese woman wrestler is brought up wearing Nazi gear she is 100% defended. I presume she was playing a character. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:53:16 GMT -5
I love how when a respected Japanese woman wrestler is brought up wearing Nazi gear she is 100% defended. I presume she was playing a character. JBL done the nazi walk when he was in character, but got completely vilified! At the end of the day no one should ever be referncing the nazi regime in any way, in character or not. |
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