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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 10:14:34 GMT -5
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 8, 2015 10:17:50 GMT -5
Tin foil hats.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 8, 2015 10:21:39 GMT -5
Goodell is a lizard person
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 8, 2015 10:31:47 GMT -5
Goodell is a lizard person I don't see anything false with this statement.
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Post by Waffel113 on Sept 8, 2015 10:35:16 GMT -5
Goodell is a lizard person I wouldn't be surprised at this point, to be honest.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 10:46:14 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s):
1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 10:52:22 GMT -5
I would embrace in this making Goddell and the Pats looking like morons if it wasn't for the timing of this. Just in time for people to forget that the Browns OL coach just got in trouble for beating a woman up.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 8, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -5
Goodell is a lizard person The NFL is a front for the Illuminati.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 11:09:00 GMT -5
Goodell is a lizard person The NFL is a front for the Illuminati. Goodell killed 2Pac
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 8, 2015 11:16:16 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) To elaborate, yeah everyone knows the Pats cheated back then and it sure as hell was more than just taping from the wrong spot. Those that say their wins back then were tainted are absolutely justified in saying that. No tinfoil hat thinking here, but I actually feel that what they did influenced games and they should have been punished alot harsher then they were. Would they have won those SB's....I have no idea, maybe/maybe not, I'm not Nostradamus . I'm talking about raising that flag again for something that's a decade old.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 11:27:37 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) If it's true, it doesn't exactly change a ton when it comes what actually happened involving the Pats, nor does it change perception on either side. The League looks like absolute ass here
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 8, 2015 11:35:59 GMT -5
The NFL is a front for the Illuminati. Goodell killed 2Pac The New England Patriots are the Lalilulelo.....they'll make Metal Gear a reality.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 8, 2015 11:38:57 GMT -5
The New England Patriots are the Lalilulelo.....they'll make Metal Gear a reality. So Goodell = Kevin Dunn
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 11:45:10 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) To elaborate, yeah everyone knows the Pats cheated back then and it sure as hell was more than just taping from the wrong spot. Those that say their wins back then were tainted are absolutely justified in saying that. No tinfoil hat thinking here, but I actually feel that what they did influenced games and they should have been punished alot harsher then they were. Would they have won those SB's....I have no idea, maybe/maybe not, I'm not Nostradamus . I'm talking about raising that flag again for something that's a decade old. I 'liked' this for the second paragrap As for your last paragraph, Maybe. Maybe not. Just playing devil's advocate: Looking at the SB's they won: Philly (literally) gagged down the stretch. The Rams only got into the Red Zone once. Carolina screwed themselves (lol out of bounds kick) and Seattle lost because Pete Carrol out-thought himself. There's a lot of Untrue things still though of as facts: Belichick uses the scoreborad by the CBS scene to cheat (somehow), they filmed the Rams' walk-though, they mess with headsets. Basically, you say anything even insinuating cheating by the Patriots and it's autmatically true
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 8, 2015 11:52:45 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? That is what I was saying, this doesn't really change things for the Pats (actually I think it makes them more a victim of an incompetent league head) and makes the NFL look horrible. It made no sense for this to be a designed drop for the League when it paints them to be either a league run by morons or one run by the most egotistical blind jack off in American sports history. The Pats/Spygate stuff is basically click bait to get people to see how the NFL is really run.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 8, 2015 11:58:58 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? That is what I was saying, this doesn't really change things for the Pats (actually I think it makes them more a victim of an incompetent league head) and makes the NFL look horrible. It made no sense for this to be a designed drop for the League when it paints them to be either a league run by morons or one run by the most egotistical blind jack off in American sports history. The Pats/Spygate stuff is basically click bait to get people to see how the NFL is really run. The more I think about it, I think the NFL is now even more likely to drop their appeal in a couple of weeks. Look for the story to drop quietly (or at least attempt to be quiet) on a Friday late afternoon.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 8, 2015 12:01:39 GMT -5
I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) To elaborate, yeah everyone knows the Pats cheated back then and it sure as hell was more than just taping from the wrong spot. Those that say their wins back then were tainted are absolutely justified in saying that. No tinfoil hat thinking here, but I actually feel that what they did influenced games and they should have been punished alot harsher then they were. Would they have won those SB's....I have no idea, maybe/maybe not, I'm not Nostradamus . I'm talking about raising that flag again for something that's a decade old. I 'liked' this for the second paragrap As for your last paragraph, Maybe. Maybe not. Just playing devil's advocate: Looking at the SB's they won: Philly (literally) gagged down the stretch. The Rams only got into the Red Zone once. Carolina screwed themselves (lol out of bounds kick) and Seattle lost because Pete Carrol out-thought himself. There's a lot of Untrue things still though of as facts: Belichick uses the scoreborad by the CBS scene to cheat (somehow), they filmed the Rams' walk-though, they mess with headsets. Basically, you say anything even insinuating cheating by the Patriots and it's autmatically true I don't disagree with anything you said here. Not trying to derail, but talk of having signs and their meaning, to me anyway, makes that elite QB that can read defenses and audible out even more of bonus for teams. Why it's so rare to have a team without that cerebral top end QB go all the way, unless you have one of those once a decade defenses. (meaning I think every team does this, some more and more elaborate then others....Pats just got caught) Back to the Martz thing though, if he opened his mouth about this and made this public, he needs to be willing to follow it up. No one ever should be doing anything like this.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 8, 2015 12:17:37 GMT -5
Re-read the article: Here's the problem(s): 1) We know the basic facts of Spygate, which is what 90% of this article is a rehash of. 2) The "in depth" stuff seems very much like hearsay and rumor. The same kind that lead to "they taped the Rams' walkthrough 3) The issue of someone altering Mike Martz's statement back in 08 should be a far bigger deal. 4) Let's assume, just for a second that this stuff is completely true. Isn't this a much bigger problem for the league and especially, Goodell, than it would be the Patriots? I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) To elaborate, yeah everyone knows the Pats cheated back then and it sure as hell was more than just taping from the wrong spot. Those that say their wins back then were tainted are absolutely justified in saying that. No tinfoil hat thinking here, but I actually feel that what they did influenced games and they should have been punished alot harsher then they were. Would they have won those SB's....I have no idea, maybe/maybe not, I'm not Nostradamus . I'm talking about raising that flag again for something that's a decade old. Just think, attitude is present even before the most recent article outlining admissions from former Patriots coaches and staffers that they would send low level employees (like the equipment guys that Brady threw under the bus) to sneak into opposing lockerrooms during warmups in the hope of stealing play sheets/playbooks left in the lockerroom. The article also mentions searching hotel rooms after their opponents check out hoping that someone carelessly left their playbook behind. To make it funnier, opponents got so accustomed to the Patriots doing it that some teams left fake ones behind to screw with them. It also highlighted the notion that signal scrambling in Foxboro was so frequent that the NFL got desensitized to the complaints over it (which was why opponents were still using hand signals that were being stolen in Spygate instead of using the headsets in the helmets). Couple all of this with the recent story about Peyton Manning insisting that any sensitive conversations happen in the hallway rather than the lockerroom because he was told that the Patriots bugged the guest lockerroom, Spygate, and their willingness to let their equipment guys take the fall for Deflategate, I would say that the Patriots cannot expect anyone to not look at anything involving them with a skeptical eye. Their highly indignant response to such skepticism also insults those people. It's not as though the Patriots have earned any level of trust regarding rulebreaking during the Bellichick era, so to act like people are violating that trust by questioning their motives is ridiculous. Having said that, even without the cheating Bellichick is a great coach. I just don't trust him not to try to cheat. Brady is just one of many amazing players the team has had over the years, so it's not like cheating to win was necessary. To me, however, the cheating is actually the lesser bothersome thing. Their responses to getting caught is akin to the response of entitled and spoiled rich kids getting in trouble for plagiarizing their homework at their private charter school. No one likes those little pr***s when they get offended over getting accused of things they get caught doing. Same for the Patriots.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 8, 2015 12:27:00 GMT -5
I really think that's the point of this whole story. I mean there really isn't any new stuff other than literal stomping on tapes that came out in reference to the Pats. This is more of a fricassee Goodell story for me. Granted some will see it as a story going after the Pats and raise the Cheatriots flag, but after reading the whole thing, that just doesn't seem true. I do agree, if someone was rewording his official statement without his knowledge or consent, to me, that's a huge issue that someone needs to be looking at. (talking about Martz I mean) To elaborate, yeah everyone knows the Pats cheated back then and it sure as hell was more than just taping from the wrong spot. Those that say their wins back then were tainted are absolutely justified in saying that. No tinfoil hat thinking here, but I actually feel that what they did influenced games and they should have been punished alot harsher then they were. Would they have won those SB's....I have no idea, maybe/maybe not, I'm not Nostradamus . I'm talking about raising that flag again for something that's a decade old. I 'liked' this for the second paragrap As for your last paragraph, Maybe. Maybe not. Just playing devil's advocate: Looking at the SB's they won: Philly (literally) gagged down the stretch. The Rams only got into the Red Zone once. Carolina screwed themselves (lol out of bounds kick) and Seattle lost because Pete Carrol out-thought himself. There's a lot of Untrue things still though of as facts: Belichick uses the scoreborad by the CBS scene to cheat (somehow), they filmed the Rams' walk-though, they mess with headsets. Basically, you say anything even insinuating cheating by the Patriots and it's autmatically true I've never said that the Patriots were not a good team. Bellichick is a great coach, just one whose ethics I don't respect. Brady is one of the greatest QBs of all time, but I lost a lot of respect for him when he let his equipment guys take the fall for him (no one, I repeat, NO ONE is going to alter Tom Brady's footballs without his approval). There are a lot of other players, present and former, who I still have the utmost respect for. Long story short, they have long had the tools required to win at the highest level without cheating. That is, in part, what makes the apparent willingness to cheat so frustrating.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 8, 2015 12:37:36 GMT -5
I 'liked' this for the second paragrap As for your last paragraph, Maybe. Maybe not. Just playing devil's advocate: Looking at the SB's they won: Philly (literally) gagged down the stretch. The Rams only got into the Red Zone once. Carolina screwed themselves (lol out of bounds kick) and Seattle lost because Pete Carrol out-thought himself. There's a lot of Untrue things still though of as facts: Belichick uses the scoreborad by the CBS scene to cheat (somehow), they filmed the Rams' walk-though, they mess with headsets. Basically, you say anything even insinuating cheating by the Patriots and it's autmatically true I've never said that the Patriots were not a good team. Bellichick is a great coach, just one whose ethics I don't respect. Brady is one of the greatest QBs of all time, but I lost a lot of respect for him when he let his equipment guys take the fall for him (no one, I repeat, NO ONE is going to alter Tom Brady's footballs without his approval). There are a lot of other players, present and former, who I still have the utmost respect for. Long story short, they have long had the tools required to win at the highest level without cheating. That is, in part, what makes the apparent willingness to cheat so frustrating. See WWE this is what we should feel about the top heels
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