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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 4, 2015 22:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Sept 4, 2015 22:56:34 GMT -5
He would have given those pretzels a world title run, bro |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 4, 2015 23:03:08 GMT -5
Nothing at all can be blamed on the talent, just the people in the back and the ones in control.
The talent was always there and still is, but they can't put the pieces together if they tried.
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Post by markymark on Sept 5, 2015 15:42:53 GMT -5
I'm still not over how they managed the incredible feat of actually making TOMKO extremely interesting, only to screw it up for no reason. Ironic is that they copied the Batista/HHH feud for most part, and thats why Tomko was interesting at some point.. Not everything was his fault, in his blog he said he was forced to lie to people about his employment, and now she is doing the same with the roster about the state of the company... csrwrestling.com/russo-what-does-tna-management-know-that-their-not-telling-the-boys/ |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 5, 2015 16:11:03 GMT -5
I'm still not over how they managed the incredible feat of actually making TOMKO extremely interesting, only to screw it up for no reason. Ironic is that they copied the Batista/HHH feud for most part, and thats why Tomko was interesting at some point.. Not everything was his fault, in his blog he said he was forced to lie to people about his employment, and now she is doing the same with the roster about the state of the company... csrwrestling.com/russo-what-does-tna-management-know-that-their-not-telling-the-boys/Forced to lie? Didn't that one Spike TV executive say that no one at Spike gave a shit about Russo? |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Sept 5, 2015 16:35:38 GMT -5
Nothing at all can be blamed on the talent, just the people in the back and the ones in control. The talent was always there and still is, but they can't put the pieces together if they tried. I blame all of my life's shortcomings on Tigre Uno. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 5, 2015 17:26:37 GMT -5
The constant search for a quick fix solution, searching for the one big thing that will get them onto the next level without ever doing the little things to cement them on the level they're at right now. The quest for the quick fix made has seen them throw out things that work time and time again, has cost them their identity and a whole lot of money and goodwill. People can blame Dixie, but the problem was there before she was, Jeff Jarrett is doing the same thing with GFW right now, wanting to run before the company has learned to crawl. Incremental growth was not enough for TNA, they wanted something to turn a 1.2 into a constant 2 overnight when that just doesn't happen, all they did was pay tens of millions for lesser results. Dixie was there from pretty much the beginning (Panda became the majority owner buying out the Jarretts about 2 months after the company's first show). When Jarrett was booking, things were largely good: we had managers and tag teams, which the WWE did not. We had good heel factions (Team Canada), novel ideas (World X-Cup), the 1-hour show with the smaller roster kept everything the right size, and there was a good mixture of established guys (Sting, Christian) to make a name, and young TNA-guys (AJ, Sabin) to keep it fresh. Then in comes Russo... He does Russo things, tag teams are broken up, managers like D'Amore, Mitchell and Simon Diamond start to disappear, we get turns that make no sense, it's all a mess. Then in comes Hogan... Hogan is like Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky: legendary player, and lousy coach. He should never be a booker, and his run shows why. Russo is back, then he's gone, then he's back, then he's gone, then he's pulling the strings covertly. And then there's Dixie... She knows NOTHING about wrestling, and whether hands-on mismanagement, or trusting guys like Russo and Hogan, once the day to day stuff shifted from Jarrett to her, it went into a big decline. Also, I believe splitting from the NWA was a mistake. Isn't the NWA title still controlled by their committee, and can have final say? If so, it would have spared us Russo swerves and crappy champions. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 5, 2015 18:17:00 GMT -5
Forced to lie? Didn't that one Spike TV executive say that no one at Spike gave a shit about Russo? I personally believe a lot of what Spike TV said about Russo and TNA in general towards the end was just Spike doing TNA a favor so TNA and Dixie wouldn't come off as completely unprofessional to any other networks they were negotiating with at the time. |
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Post by markymark on Sept 5, 2015 20:00:05 GMT -5
Forced to lie? Didn't that one Spike TV executive say that no one at Spike gave a shit about Russo? I believe it was also fool the IWC, Dixie forced Russo to lie... |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 5, 2015 20:24:31 GMT -5
Honestly, Austin Aries in 2012 was their last chance, and I still can't believe they messed that up.
The previous decade, you can at least to some degree chalk up mistakes to still being a relatively new company finding its own identity and getting pulled in different directions to see what could stick.
May-September 2012 is TNA with a definitive identity. They had a great, wholly original product. Their veteran acts were in refreshing new roles that they were excelling at. The longterm guys with the company were rightly leading the way as the strong foundation. New starts were being made. You had everything you could want from a wrestling company, dependably consistent week-to-week action and a certain unpredictability that made the surprises as genuine as they were organic.
The build of Austin Aries is exactly how you make somebody into a main eventer. Everyone seemed to be on the same page working together. This hot streak is among the best week-to-week television of any promotion this side of the millennium.
And then they gave it to Jeff and the show never recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 22:58:05 GMT -5
Not booking Monty Brown as the biggest thing ever. Monty Brown should have been the face of TNA. You can replace Monty Brown with any other TNA original in these quote and it still be a fact. TNA drop the ball on so many wrestler is probably one of the biggest reason why their in the shape they are right now. |
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Post by gatordone on Sept 5, 2015 23:34:16 GMT -5
I think TNA got into the game when it's popularity started to go down a bit. If WCW and ECW couldn't survive what makes you think TNA stood a chance.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Sept 6, 2015 4:43:52 GMT -5
How? Simple. Take...  Add a dash of...  Add a side of...  And stir it all together with...  |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 6, 2015 8:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 6, 2015 8:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 6, 2015 15:20:53 GMT -5
Knockout Division: Once their best rated thing...RUINED X-Div: Also one of their best rated things...RUINED James Storm: Hottest character at one point, RUINED (decided to push others) Samoa Joe: Best New character...RUINED Da Pope: Was mega over, injured and fired. To address these directly: 1. The Knockouts stuff was never truly a serious top rated segment, mainly because TNA never had big enough variations on their ratings to call it such. Dutch Mantell explained it himself that he put those segments together and saw to it that they went into the top of the hour or whenever a traditionally good quarter happened, and it gave the illusion that Knockouts = ratings. Once Bischoff and Hogan came in they squashed the division anyway, though in some ways the constant Beautiful People push under Russo started the downward trend. 2. The X Division was also problematic for Hogan and Bischoff since I don't think either guy believes in cruiser wrestling as anything other than time killing filler (though to be fair that is still more than Vince McMahon believes in it). That said I don't think the division was really ruined all that much until the whole Option C deal. At that point the belt ceased being something important and became something for guys to get simply due to the world title potential it carried. 3. Storm was over in early 2012 and I still don't get why he didn't get the win in Lockdown in his hometown. That was insanely stupid booking. I could get it if the idea was to push Roode, or to continue the feud to where Storm finally beat him for the belt. But Roode had another couple of uneventful months with the title and lost to Aries (which ties this into #2). 4. Samoa Joe's decline in TNA might be the saddest of them all. Lockdown 2008 with Joe/Angle might have been TNA's biggest buyrate, but his momentum was stalled by presenting him as the biggest whiny douche ever during his title run to where Nash came off looking like the protagonist in all of this. The whole Nation of Violence gimmick was embarrassing to watch and was almost a parody of an anti hero. Then he turned heel and joined the very guys he was feuding with, the Main Event Mafia. After that, it was jobber central until he gave up and went to NXT. 5. I don't think The Pope was really that big of a deal. Of the guys TNA has buried, he's pretty far down the list of baffling booking. |
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Post by freeze Austin on Sept 6, 2015 19:47:44 GMT -5
TNA's only chance to ever realistically "compete" with WWE was to stand out as an alternative.
Whenever WWE was doing things that I wasn't thrilled with around the mid-2000's, I was truly hoping that TNA would step up and be something different that would catch on with a national audience. For a while it looked like TNA actually was doing just that with the X-Division which was a really cool concept, as well as Joe's initial run, and I was really excited when they were able to get the SpikeTV deal, but then somewhere along the line they decided they would rather become WWE-lite and focus all their time trying to build up guys that never lived up to their potential in WWE (only exceptions being Angle and Christian).
There is no reason that TNA couldn't have brought in guys like Danielson, Black, Steen, Generico, Castagnoli, Hero, etc. long before they got on WWE's radar and used them, along with the TNA originals, to build up a real alternative on a national scale. Hell, they even had Punk before WWE did and had no clue what they were doing with him. Instead, they didn't have the kind of vision that was needed and just pissed money away on guys way past their prime that WWE didn't even want anymore, and they allowed Triple H to build the promotion that they should've.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 7, 2015 0:44:22 GMT -5
How? Simple. Take... Add a dash of... Add a side of... And stir it all together with... And then spike it with some E.  |
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Post by Aya Reiko on Sept 7, 2015 4:27:06 GMT -5
And then spike it with some E. Nah. He's just a good li'l Hogan puppet. Always have been, always will be. |
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