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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Nov 22, 2015 9:03:02 GMT -5
After listening to Luke Harper's appearance on Talk is Jericho (excellent listen!) I started thinking about how the modern breed of guys on the roster--the Bryans, the Kofis, The Harpers, etc-- seem to have these low key easy going personalities where they mostly want to get along, have the best match they can, and see other people succeed.
My questions are thus:
-What has changed from previous generations, when the wrestling business has been largely a shark tank where most everyone was trying to cut the legs out from each other? Is it the loosening of kayfabe, general reflection of today's culture, etc..
-Do you think there will be a change back to the shark tank vibe in a few years, as the business evolves again?
- Do you think this more easy going vibe is part of why WWE is not as successful nowadays as compared to previous eras?
Sorry, long post I know, but feel free to address any of the above questions, or the topic in general..
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Post by saintpat on Nov 22, 2015 11:20:21 GMT -5
Too many millennials and betas in the locker room these days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 11:22:28 GMT -5
Video Games in the locker room?
Gone forever will be the days of HHH, HBK and HHH (Hogan) as master politicians.
Cena, Orton and Batista wish they had stroke like those 3. Since HHH no one even plays politics anymore.
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Post by CeilingFan on Nov 22, 2015 11:27:44 GMT -5
Video Games in the locker room? Gone forever will be the days of HHH, HBK and HHH (Hogan) as master politicians. Cena, Orton and Batista wish they had stroke like those 3. Since HHH no one even plays politics anymore. Cena is DEFINITELY a backstage politician! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 11:54:44 GMT -5
Video Games in the locker room? Gone forever will be the days of HHH, HBK and HHH (Hogan) as master politicians. Cena, Orton and Batista wish they had stroke like those 3. Since HHH no one even plays politics anymore. Cena is DEFINITELY a backstage politician! Really? How? All I've heard is he just goes along with creative and doesn't put up a stink. Whether it's jobbing to Rock, Punk, Bryan, he will put over stars. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 22, 2015 15:54:25 GMT -5
Cena is DEFINITELY a backstage politician! Really? How? All I've heard is he just goes along with creative and doesn't put up a stink. Whether it's jobbing to Rock, Punk, Bryan, he will put over stars. Agreed. Aside from the Nexus thing, Cena's reputation is squeaky clean. No need to politic to protect your position when the company flat out refuses to put your position in danger. |
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Post by Juice on Nov 22, 2015 15:58:31 GMT -5
Cena even had gotten into a fight with Carlito because he was trying to light a fire under his ass to perform to a standard that he used too. I think people think Cena is a politician now because of the Bellas being the main focus of their division, as if Vince wouldn't have done that anyway.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 22, 2015 15:59:08 GMT -5
Really? How? All I've heard is he just goes along with creative and doesn't put up a stink. Whether it's jobbing to Rock, Punk, Bryan, he will put over stars. Agreed. Aside from the Nexus thing, Cena's reputation is squeaky clean. No need to politic to protect your position when the company flat out refuses to put your position in danger. I think it's extremely telling that CM Punk generally is positive about Cena. You'd think, given the reasons behind his anger, there'd be resentment of Cena or some mention of his politicking. I've never heard Punk blame Cena for any of it. |
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 22, 2015 16:04:53 GMT -5
After listening to Luke Harper's appearance on Talk is Jericho (excellent listen!) I started thinking about how the modern breed of guys on the roster--the Bryans, the Kofis, The Harpers, etc-- seem to have these low key easy going personalities where they mostly want to get along, have the best match they can, and see other people succeed. My questions are thus: -What has changed from previous generations, when the wrestling business has been largely a shark tank where most everyone was trying to cut the legs out from each other? Is it the loosening of kayfabe, general reflection of today's culture, etc.. -Do you think there will be a change back to the shark tank vibe in a few years, as the business evolves again? - Do you think this more easy going vibe is part of why WWE is not as successful nowadays as compared to previous eras? Sorry, long post I know, but feel free to address any of the above questions, or the topic in general.. There were always some more laidback guys as well. Some of the older superstars come across as pretty laidback like that in podcasts. I guess some guys would be Disco Inferno, Buff Bagwell, Mario Mancini, and even Vader comes across as laidback in ways. I'd figure there are still some selfish or less laidback people around, but maybe there is a larger quantity of nice people since wrestling is less of a bar-brawling machismo fest in some ways. Though even that is a bit of a stereotype, I'm sure there were mild mannered guys back in any era (Mario Mancini again etc). That said, I think WCW with creative control was the height of politicking, and current WWE is probably where you'd have the least success or leverage trying to do politics. And there may be more laidback people than before as well. |
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Post by sonofblaine on Nov 22, 2015 16:17:35 GMT -5
The current crop of stars were mostly wrestling geeks who grew up on 80s and 90s wrestling, as opposed to the wrestlers of that time who were coked up, roided out, alphas.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Nov 22, 2015 16:41:48 GMT -5
Didn't Cena threaten Vance Archer or somebody for using a finisher too similar to the AA?
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Post by Burst on Nov 22, 2015 16:45:12 GMT -5
Let me just say that the term "beta" is one of the terms that, when used completely seriously, causes me to completely disregard any argument the user was making.
I have yet to see anyone aside from meatheads on bodybuilding.com and guys that completely give off the "Wow, he's definitely compensating for something" vibe use the term seriously. Usually before they launch into a diatribe about how only bodybuilders are REAL MEN blah blah blah red meat whiskey guns.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 22, 2015 19:02:50 GMT -5
A lot of them are guys who are just living their dream so just being in the WWE is a thrill for them. The other thing is I don't think a lot of the indy people coming up have the wear in tear of the road on them nor are they as interested in the drug lifestyle.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 22, 2015 19:15:07 GMT -5
Too many millennials and betas in the locker room these days. That doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 22, 2015 20:01:18 GMT -5
Aside from the time he's on TV, Cena seems to be second only to Kane on the "well-liked by people in the business" list.
As for being a master politician or whatever. He doesn't *have* to. When the guy in charge of the company has been saying "John Cena is to be booked as the be-all, end-all number 1 guy in perpetuity" it's easy to just say, "Whelp. I'm a company dude. Don't wanna make waves or nothin'."
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