Vince pushes panic button...

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Nov 24, 2015 17:31:20 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Nov 24, 2015 17:28:01 GMT -5 Jobes said:

Honestly, give creative control to HHH.

By most accounts Triple H already plays a big hand in writing the shows, both Reigns and Sheamus are hand-picked by Triple H as stars, and his NWA fanboyism is probably a big part of why Raw's been such a slog of, "The heels lose every week but always win when it matters," for years on end now. He's part of the problem.

At the same time, Triple H was supposedly the guy who wanted to turn Reigns heel against Wyatt and was shot down by Vince. He knows when he has to adapt to change but with Vince it's the other way around.

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Nov 24, 2015 17:36:46 GMT -5 Jobes said:

Nov 24, 2015 17:31:20 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

By most accounts Triple H already plays a big hand in writing the shows, both Reigns and Sheamus are hand-picked by Triple H as stars, and his NWA fanboyism is probably a big part of why Raw's been such a slog of, "The heels lose every week but always win when it matters," for years on end now. He's part of the problem.

He may play a big hand, but he doesn't have final say. That's the problem.

Triple H has total creative control over NXT, and everybody fangirls over how f***ing amazing it is.

Well, one, NXT has its fair share of serious problems in its own right (see the complete lack of a midcard, the tag division being an endless series of, "Team A randomly beats Team B for the belts with zero hype, flounders as champions until Team C beats them, immediately becomes completely irrelevant,", how its episodes usually progress even less story-wise than Raw does, and how repetitive the main event scene's storylines are), and two, NXT benefits heavily from only being an hour long. NXT structured the exact same way it is but at three hours long, while probably still better than Raw, would also be a complete chore to sit through.

Nov 24, 2015 17:39:47 GMT -5 @kn said:

Nov 24, 2015 17:31:20 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

By most accounts Triple H already plays a big hand in writing the shows, both Reigns and Sheamus are hand-picked by Triple H as stars, and his NWA fanboyism is probably a big part of why Raw's been such a slog of, "The heels lose every week but always win when it matters," for years on end now. He's part of the problem.

As the same time, Triple H was the guy who wanted to turn Reigns heel against Wyatt and was shot down by Vince. He knows when he has to adapt to change but with Vince it's the other way around.

I actually hadn't heard this. If true, yeah, that gives him a lot of credibility right there.

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Nov 24, 2015 17:40:06 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Nov 24, 2015 17:36:46 GMT -5 Jobes said:

He may play a big hand, but he doesn't have final say. That's the problem.

Triple H has total creative control over NXT, and everybody fangirls over how f***ing amazing it is.

Well, one, NXT has its fair share of serious problems in its own right (see the complete lack of a midcard, the tag division being an endless series of, "Team A randomly beats Team B for the belts with zero hype, flounders as champions until Team C beats them, immediately becomes completely irrelevant,", how its episodes usually progress even less story-wise than Raw does, and how repetitive the main event scene's storylines are), and two, NXT benefits heavily from only being an hour long. NXT structured the exact same way it is but at three hours long, while probably still better than Raw, would also be a complete chore to sit through.

Nov 24, 2015 17:39:47 GMT -5 @kn said:

As the same time, Triple H was the guy who wanted to turn Reigns heel against Wyatt and was shot down by Vince. He knows when he has to adapt to change but with Vince it's the other way around.

I actually hadn't heard this. If true, yeah, that gives him a lot of credibility right there.

Yeah I read it a while back, not sure if a thread came from it. Since that was posted all these other "Reigns will turn heel on Ambrose" or "Ambrose will turn heel on Reigns" stuff majorly started to get thrown out there but that's what I've read.

Then again unless it comes from Triple H or Vince who 100% knows.

[Jobes]

Nov 24, 2015 17:40:06 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Well, one, NXT has its fair share of serious problems in its own right (see the complete lack of a midcard, the tag division being an endless series of, "Team A randomly beats Team B for the belts with zero hype, flounders as champions until Team C beats them, immediately becomes completely irrelevant,", how its episodes usually progress even less story-wise than Raw does, and how repetitive the main event scene's storylines are), and two, NXT benefits heavily from only being an hour long. NXT structured the exact same way it is but at three hours long, while probably still better than Raw, would also be a complete chore to sit through

While NXT may benefit from being an hour long, it also suffers for the same reasons that you mentioned. It's hard to establish a midcard in only an hour each week. It's still developmental. The way I understand it, they're trying to give a lot of people TV time to gain experience. When you have a lot of people to showcase and not a lot of time to showcase those people, it's going to be hard to have a stable midcard.

[Bub (BLM)]

Time to start booking everyone to their strengths and listening to see who the crowd favorites are. What a concept!

[dreidemy]

Watch Walking Dead with Phill Brooks Walking Dead Enthusiast and give him a Brock Lesnar/Alberto Del Rio like contract

[Perd]

Nov 24, 2015 18:02:35 GMT -5 dreidemy said:

Watch Walking Dead with Phill Brooks Walking Dead Enthusiast and give him a Brock Lesnar/Alberto Del Rio like contract

Although Punk wasn't by any means a ratings bonanza, I wonder if he didn't have a UFC contract, and there was no lawsuit, just what Vince would offer him to come back?

[BorneAgain]

Honestly I think there'd be value in Vince and creative having character/angle conversations with every talent on the roster as well as having workshops with people like Austin or Foley, and just start creating an atmosphere of people pitching in and gradually moving away from people being handed a script. Yeah there's gonna be contradictions and conflicts with ideas, but at least there could be a naturally selective process of getting genuine concepts from people in the business rather than writers or whatever silly thing Vince thought of that day.

Hell just having a real open forum before every Raw and SD, and actually considering what people are saying could work wonders.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

(Dunn: "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SIR, THERE ARE TWO SEATS!"
Vince: *opens door* "I like to put my feet up." *closes door*)

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Alberto Del Rio vs. Sheamus to unify all the singles titles at WrestleMania!

[nisidhe]

Zombie Eddie vs. a golem made from the reconstituted ashes of Chris Benoit (managed by Paul Heyman.)

[PsychoGoatee]

Nov 24, 2015 17:36:46 GMT -5 Jobes said:

Nov 24, 2015 17:31:20 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

By most accounts Triple H already plays a big hand in writing the shows, both Reigns and Sheamus are hand-picked by Triple H as stars, and his NWA fanboyism is probably a big part of why Raw's been such a slog of, "The heels lose every week but always win when it matters," for years on end now. He's part of the problem.

He may play a big hand, but he doesn't have final say. That's the problem.

Triple H has total creative control over NXT, and everybody fangirls over how f***ing amazing it is.

I forget the exact wording, but on Austin's podcast Triple H said how he makes NXT with a different audience in mind. He talked about some of the differences etc, and it didn't sound like he would choose to book Raw like NXT even if nobody stopped him.


Let's see, panic button. I'd say really get behind a new babyface champ that the fans are behind. Preferably Dean Ambrose.

Also, would've been great if Reigns did get the rematch on Raw and beat Sheamus then and there. Do something unexpected, in a good way.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

1: Rejig the creative team, separate it into three groups, main event singles, midcard and divas, with the focus being on getting people over and keeping them there. Give them a fair amount of the 5 hours of TV time each and have Vince and Dutch Mantell act as storyline editors to make the writing work as a coherent show. If someone gets over and draws a good rating, work with that, not against it, consider them for promotion to a main event slot.

2: Hire Scott D'Amore and have him and Fit Finlay book the Divas while training actual female performers for work on the creative team.

3: Spend two weeks having the creative team actually getting to know the talent, what they can do, what they can't do, what they're like behind the scenes then use their real life personalities as groundwork for future storylines so the people involved actually feel some investment in their characters and can believe some of what they're doing. Alberto Del Rio can get over as himself, people have commented about how much better he is at house shows, he showed he could get over working outside the WWE yet they're back to ramming that square peg into a round hole... Stop, just stop! Let him have some input into his character and he'll get over.

4: End the culture of punishing people for getting positive reactions from the audience. They want wrestling to be written like TV drama, fine, use the example of long running TV dramas and keep using people that do well, give them a larger role and see what comes of it. when Castiel in Supernatural got good reactions from the fanbase, they didn't punish him, didn't pigheadedly stick to the plan of using him for the few episodes they originally had in mind, they expanded his role and eventually made him a series regular, giving them far more storyline options down the line. You want people to grab that brass ring? Stop punishing them for trying.

5: Only events that are vitally important to the continuity of the show need recapping during the show.

6: No more yelling in commentators ears, how are they meant to develop chemistry with oneanother when they get shrieked at when they're not shilling the main event throughout the show. JR and Lawler did their best work when they were allowed to be themselves, before Vince badgered them into becoming Tony Schiavone.

7: HIRE ACTING COACHES! Not just for NXT but for the main roster. If you want people to work from scripts the WWE should be paying people to train them to deliver these lines with conviction. If someone can talk well but can't deliver lines from a script, try them with a list of bulletpoints at house shows and see how it goes, otherwise consider managers.

8: Have the storylines written with 4 things in mind, a beginning, an ending, how the storyline will make money and a backup plan in case someone involved gets injured. If the face gets injured and it's not in a career threatening way, they shouldn't be afraid to have the heel use that for heat as they segway into a feud with another face, as long as the face can get revenge down the line,

9: Continuity is not a bad thing, if guys tagged a few times, hang out backstage or started out together, mention it! Little details help things to matter to the audience, Walter White didn't suddenly start tagging with Hector Salamanca like nothing ever happened between them. Going back to commentary, if someone must be in their ear, have them remind them about little things they should mention that will get guys over.

10: End the McMahon family drama, it stopped being fresh 15 years ago. Just stop. No ifs, no but, no coconuts, have Hunter lose clean to end the authority, put a neutral authority figure in place then let the villain in charge crap rest for at least 3-4 years.

11: Faces must lose for people to believe when they overcome the odds, and for people to care.

[efarns]

1. Fire the writing team
2. Be in a place he can hear crowd reactions to what the people in the ring are doing; people who create reactions without writers are who you want to use
3. Create a show that fans want to see

[Rolent Tex]

There's only one real solution.

The return of Hot. Lesbian. Action.

The Bisch approves.

[StuntGranny®]

"And NEWWWWWWW World Heavyweight Champion... KEVIN OWENS!"

[SAJ Forth]

Undertaker puts someone through another popcorn machine.

[darkjourney]

Get out the checkbook and start signing Lesnar to more dates. Can't do much with Cesaro right now since hes out but have Lesnar hold the fort down and dominate EVERYONE until Cesaro gets back and start pushing Cesaro.


Or turn Cena/ Reigns heel.

Nothing else is even worth considering

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Nov 24, 2015 20:12:41 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

Get out the checkbook and start signing Lesnar to more dates. Can't do much with Cesaro right now since hes out but have Lesnar hold the fort down and dominate EVERYONE until Cesaro gets back and start pushing Cesaro.


Or turn Cena/ Reigns heel.

Nothing else is even worth considering

Last Raw Lesnar opened itself set a record low rating. He's not going to help.

[MrBRulzOK]

The same thing he does every time he panics: bury the short guys and push the giants!

Watch out Sheamus and Roman... Big Show is coming to a triple threat near you.