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Post by héad.casé on Nov 29, 2015 19:51:03 GMT -5
I was gonna title it "run", but 3 weeks isn't a run. Anyway, i'm watching WWE's "Story of Edge" DVD right now, and we're at the part where they're talking about Edge winning the title. Edge had said there were "some very powerful people" who didn't want him to win the title that night saying that "he's been here since '98 and it hasn't happened yet, why now?". Michael Hayes admitted he was one of them saying that he knew Edge would win the title eventually, he just didn't think it should've been that night, but was glad to be wrong. Edge was talking about how pissed he was because the night after he won it, the RAW rating was a 5.2 and showed the people wanted something different and new. He said the pieces were there, the ratings were there, and thought he and Cena could've run to Mania with their angle and said "We never stick to plan at any other time, why are we now?".
He said dropping the title back to Cena at the Rumble gave him a massive chip on his shoulder, but it kind of shows that WWE hasn't really changed much really since then. But what did all of you think of Edge's first reign and how long it lasted? I remember being pissed quite honestly. I really wasn't a Cena fan back then, so to see him end up with the belt again after 3 weeks pissed me off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 19:56:43 GMT -5
Ratings actually got a huge boost after he won the belt. Reason he lost it, though, is Triple H was convinced he could make Cena a star the fans universally loved at Mania, guess ignoring Edge was already starting to accomplish that, and insisted on going ahead with their match. And of course the attempt to get Cena cheered worked so well for Triple H he started building up his face turn the night after Mania.
Really makes you wonder how different things would have turned out had they either held off on Cena / Edge for Mania or had, like Cena was apparently wanting, had him turn heel and move to the midcard for awhile.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 29, 2015 19:59:34 GMT -5
How much of that 5.2 rating was just down to "OMG LIVE SEX", though? Did they actually stay at that level in the following two weeks?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 29, 2015 20:09:28 GMT -5
The SEGMENT did a high rating, the overall show rating was fairly in line with prior Raws and stayed around the same after he lost it.
The overall show did a 4.3, not a 5.2
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 29, 2015 20:40:52 GMT -5
I guess one of those "powerful people" Edge talked about may have been Triple H then? I mean if the main event for your biggest show is you vs the new top babyface, and another heel wins the title a few months before your shot, it's gotta make you feel uneasy.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2015 20:44:26 GMT -5
It was a great title change, one of the best. That said, I wonder how different things would be if they has played out with Edge holding onto the title until 'Mania and losing it then. He might have kept his momentum, he might not have.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 29, 2015 21:01:00 GMT -5
"Live sex" is probably second only to "we'll give you money" in things that would make people watch.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 29, 2015 21:04:46 GMT -5
"Live sex" is probably second only to "we'll give you money" in things that would make people watch. Considering the ratings Million Dollar Mania drew, that's not high praise.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 29, 2015 21:04:47 GMT -5
I think the average world/wwe title reign for Edge was like 7 weeks. They really hot shototd it around with him too much.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 29, 2015 21:11:23 GMT -5
To be fair, having the Hardcore match with Foley at Mania 22 was a really important piece of the puzzle. It's too easy to have heels like Edge get typecast as complete cowards without the backbone to bring it when their defenses get neutralized (see Rollins this year). With that performance under his belt, it put over that he was even more dangerous when he was in a fair fight.
It's Cena that would have benefited with having Edge vs. Cena at Mania 22 where he doesn't have his wrestling ability blatantly called into question by the multiple time world champion.
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Post by Chiral on Nov 29, 2015 22:03:19 GMT -5
Absolute garbage that he didn't hold it longer that first time. Triple H is an idiot honestly. Ratings actually got a huge boost after he won the belt. Reason he lost it, though, is Triple H was convinced he could make Cena a star the fans universally loved at Mania, guess ignoring Edge was already starting to accomplish that, and insisted on going ahead with their match. And of course the attempt to get Cena cheered worked so well for Triple H he started building up his face turn the night after Mania. Really makes you wonder how different things would have turned out had they either held off on Cena / Edge for Mania or had, like Cena was apparently wanting, had him turn heel and move to the midcard for awhile. He spent the whole build playing cool heel and burying Cena's in ring skills...he did such a great job making the fans love Cena...
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 29, 2015 22:19:45 GMT -5
I was rooting for Edge, I used to have an Edge and Lita sig on here for years. That said, I wasn't pissed or anything when he lost it, and I figured at that point he was IN, and we'd see him get several more title reigns. guess ignoring Edge was already starting to accomplish that Cena was so heavily booed on those RAWs at that point when Edge was champ. I don't think anything was going to stop Cena from being booed.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Nov 29, 2015 22:30:27 GMT -5
I love 2006 WWE, and Edge was a big part of that. This put him in the main event scene.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 29, 2015 22:37:57 GMT -5
Hershey, Pennsylvania is the reason Cena ended up winning the title back. That was the only time he got cheered over his opponent. It was also the only time where he told those fans who booed him that they could kiss his ass instead of saying they had the right to do whatever they wanted.
The amount of backwards booking for Cena essentially killed the guy within months of becoming champion and he never ever would recover.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 29, 2015 22:41:52 GMT -5
Absolute garbage that he didn't hold it longer that first time. Triple H is an idiot honestly. Ratings actually got a huge boost after he won the belt. Reason he lost it, though, is Triple H was convinced he could make Cena a star the fans universally loved at Mania, guess ignoring Edge was already starting to accomplish that, and insisted on going ahead with their match. And of course the attempt to get Cena cheered worked so well for Triple H he started building up his face turn the night after Mania. Really makes you wonder how different things would have turned out had they either held off on Cena / Edge for Mania or had, like Cena was apparently wanting, had him turn heel and move to the midcard for awhile. He spent the whole build playing cool heel and burying Cena's in ring skills...he did such a great job making the fans love Cena... The fans were going to boo Cena regardless of what HHH did. By the time WrestleMania 22 happened, Cena had feuded with 4 guys that people loved more than him and the fact that Cena did suck in the ring during that time didn't help at all.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 29, 2015 22:43:57 GMT -5
Cena's Rumble entrance compared to the champ may've been the biggest 'title's changing hands tonight' tip off ever.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 29, 2015 22:54:24 GMT -5
I guess one of those "powerful people" Edge talked about may have been Triple H then? I mean if the main event for your biggest show is you vs the new top babyface, and another heel wins the title a few months before your shot, it's gotta make you feel uneasy. Michael Hayes admitted it was him on the Edge DVD. Hayes probably didn't like Edge because he was to busy talking about how Matt Hardy was the greatest thing ever.
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Post by -Lithium- on Nov 29, 2015 23:07:10 GMT -5
I really enjoyed WWE from NYR 06 to One Night Stand 06. The ratings were up then too. Like throughout that whole time period, they were getting above a 4.0 atleast three weeks out of four. In fact they were above a 4.0 from February all the way through May.
Edges cash in was something that just had to happen at the time. The fans loathed Cena. Like, nearly all of them. Nothing to do with "smarks". They couldn't get out of NYR with him still having the title. Edge deserved a longer reign, but the golden boy had to be in the spotlight no matter what the fans thought, and HHH had to make his failed attempt at "saving" him. It was really unfair to Edge. He was THE reason to watch in 2006. He made RAW that year. No one came even remotely close...
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Nov 29, 2015 23:25:52 GMT -5
It was really unfair to Edge. He was THE reason to watch in 2006. He made RAW that year. No one came even remotely close... RVD
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Post by Christian on Nov 30, 2015 3:44:58 GMT -5
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