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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 8, 2015 19:30:59 GMT -5
Villain wise they have Bullseye, Lady Bullseye, Batroc, Boomerang to name a few They already used Batroc in Winter Soldier, so I wouldn't expect to see him turn up personally.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 8, 2015 20:01:30 GMT -5
Villain wise they have Bullseye, Lady Bullseye, Batroc, Boomerang to name a few Batroc was already in Winter Soldier though I suppose they could get GSP to reprise the role but I doubt it. I also don't see Bullseye is showing up anywhere else before he appears on Daredevil.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 20:25:06 GMT -5
I keep seeing people throwing Aaron Paul out as their pick for Danny, that or people calling for a race swap to Asian because apparently only Asians should do martial arts well. I'm not keen on either of those suggestions. Considering Marvel is pretending that black women and Asian people don't exist when it comes to leads (or even major characters), the best move they've got is to raceswap the hell out of some of these well-known characters, because I don't even have the energy to pretend that Marvel is going to give Amadeus Cho the spotlight in anything. ...and even if they were that doesn't mean much anyway. Danny Rand always struck me as really White Savior-y anyway, so why the hell not at least possibly make an Asian guy's career by casting him in what's...pretty much an urban fantasy/martial arts piece? I'd rather they do that than them casting Aaron Paul and his bulbous face or really any litany of unremarkable white guys.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 8, 2015 22:05:10 GMT -5
I keep seeing people throwing Aaron Paul out as their pick for Danny, that or people calling for a race swap to Asian because apparently only Asians should do martial arts well. I'm not keen on either of those suggestions. Part of the Iron Fist story is that he was a strange man in a strange land (aka didn't fit in) an Asian Dude in an Asian land wouldn't give most audiences that feeling. As for his nemesis it is Davos aka the Steel Serpent.
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Post by Legion on Dec 9, 2015 2:43:59 GMT -5
I keep seeing people throwing Aaron Paul out as their pick for Danny, that or people calling for a race swap to Asian because apparently only Asians should do martial arts well. I'm not keen on either of those suggestions. Considering Marvel is pretending that black women and Asian people don't exist when it comes to leads (or even major characters), the best move they've got is to raceswap the hell out of some of these well-known characters, because I don't even have the energy to pretend that Marvel is going to give Amadeus Cho the spotlight in anything. ...and even if they were that doesn't mean much anyway. Danny Rand always struck me as really White Savior-y anyway, so why the hell not at least possibly make an Asian guy's career by casting him in what's...pretty much an urban fantasy/martial arts piece? I'd rather they do that than them casting Aaron Paul and his bulbous face or really any litany of unremarkable white guys. Because I'm on the wagon of feeling that casting your first Asian star as the martial arts guy is more racist and stereotypical than anything else.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 9, 2015 3:01:24 GMT -5
Considering Marvel is pretending that black women and Asian people don't exist when it comes to leads (or even major characters), the best move they've got is to raceswap the hell out of some of these well-known characters, because I don't even have the energy to pretend that Marvel is going to give Amadeus Cho the spotlight in anything. ...and even if they were that doesn't mean much anyway. Danny Rand always struck me as really White Savior-y anyway, so why the hell not at least possibly make an Asian guy's career by casting him in what's...pretty much an urban fantasy/martial arts piece? I'd rather they do that than them casting Aaron Paul and his bulbous face or really any litany of unremarkable white guys. Because I'm on the wagon of feeling that casting your first Asian star as the martial arts guy is more racist and stereotypical than anything else. For what it's worth Melinda May has been fulfilling the role of Asian major character who also relies heavily on martial arts for three seasons of Agents of SHIELD now, and Skye/Daisy is technically Asian-American (albeit heavy on the American). It's not like the MTVU is as devoid of Asians in leading roles as the movies. I'd be okay with an Asian Danny Rand, since the character was inspired by martial arts movies from the '70s (and we've already got Matt Murdock in the role of white guy ninja), though I admit it would be a little stereotypical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:27:53 GMT -5
Considering Marvel is pretending that black women and Asian people don't exist when it comes to leads (or even major characters), the best move they've got is to raceswap the hell out of some of these well-known characters, because I don't even have the energy to pretend that Marvel is going to give Amadeus Cho the spotlight in anything. ...and even if they were that doesn't mean much anyway. Danny Rand always struck me as really White Savior-y anyway, so why the hell not at least possibly make an Asian guy's career by casting him in what's...pretty much an urban fantasy/martial arts piece? I'd rather they do that than them casting Aaron Paul and his bulbous face or really any litany of unremarkable white guys. Because I'm on the wagon of feeling that casting your first Asian star as the martial arts guy is more racist and stereotypical than anything else. I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness?
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 9, 2015 10:42:17 GMT -5
This "Asians doing martial arts is racist" is bizarre. Should the Asian Film Industry apologize? Maybe Chow Yun-Fat, Jackie Chan and Jet Li should hold a press conference.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 9, 2015 11:16:24 GMT -5
Because I'm on the wagon of feeling that casting your first Asian star as the martial arts guy is more racist and stereotypical than anything else. I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness? Do you object to Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow too?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 9, 2015 11:35:40 GMT -5
You could have Rand be Asian, but have him be third, fourth, or fifth-generation Asian-American. As such, the story of a 'stranger in a strange land' can still be told, but have the difference be cultural, that Rand is 'Western', rather than racial, that Rand is 'white'. Nevertheless, Iron Fist will be a tough nut to crack. Namely, which offense is the most palatable for audiences? If he's white, then Rand is a white saviour/cultural appropriator. If he's Asian, then the representation of Rand is racist because an Asian guy being a master of martial arts is stereotypical. Either which way, the show will still have to deal with criticisms about Orientalism when the show represents Eastern culture as being exotic, magical, and mystical. In many ways, it's reminiscent of the question of how to handle The Mandarin, being that the Iron Fist universe is a reflection of the generation in which it was created. They're gonna have to be careful, regardless of how they cast the titular character. One thing Luke Cage has going for him is that they completely overhauled the character years ago. I'm more concerned with how they're going to handle the mystic aspects, considering how grounded the Netflix shows have been so far. I mean, pseudo-Oriental, extra-dimensional kung fu fighter is a pretty huge leap from a team that has been almost completely rooted in science, whether experimental or accidental.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 11:49:02 GMT -5
I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness? Do you object to Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow too? Snake Eyes has an alarmingly similar origin to Iron Fist, so what do you think?
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Post by Legion on Dec 9, 2015 15:35:05 GMT -5
Because I'm on the wagon of feeling that casting your first Asian star as the martial arts guy is more racist and stereotypical than anything else. I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness? Albert Cheung summarises better than I could how I feel about this: www.comicbookresources.com/article/i-dont-want-an-asian-american-iron-fist
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 9, 2015 17:27:47 GMT -5
I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. It's also really fine to keep a white guy as the lead. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness? I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. I see nothing bad about a person of one race saving people of another race. What, because it might make the savior seem superior because of their race? Unless the story implies that being white is why he was able to save them, I see nothing wrong. Should we only have stories where people only save each other when they're the same race? And then his son living with the other people and sharing their culture is also somehow a bad thing?
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Dec 9, 2015 17:35:35 GMT -5
Thing is their most likely going to use the Immortal Weapons thing and have Iron Fist just be a title.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Dec 9, 2015 18:18:37 GMT -5
I really hope it isn't Aaron Paul. I just don't think I could believe in him as any kind of action hero, and it seemed like others didn't either considering how well Need For Speed did.
Best case scenario is probably some stunt guy right now who auditions well. Personally, I can't imagine the race mattering nearly as much as the guy being able to pull off martial artsy stuff and not being a god awful actor.
Biggest problem I'd foresee is that pretty much any decently drawing martial arts actor is probably too old. I was really shocked to see that Tony Jaa was 39 and Iwo Uwais is 32.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 9, 2015 21:43:28 GMT -5
How about whoever is best for the role gets it and not make it race based?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 22:52:35 GMT -5
I feel like people have this backwards. Like, no. It's really fine to cast an asian guy as the lead in your urban fantasy/martial arts show. Especially if they keep Iron Fist's origin intact with his white father saving a broadly Asian-inspired fantasy city (that has named characters like Lei Kung, are we going to pretend K'un L'un isn't?)...then taking his white son back to said city who becomes such an awesome student he eventually earns the mantle...and is somehow a part of a legacy all along? Just...nothing? Nothing about that story makes you kinda squirm a bit at the blatant White Savior-ness? Albert Cheung summarises better than I could how I feel about this: www.comicbookresources.com/article/i-dont-want-an-asian-american-iron-fistSeeing as how that's not really what you said, but I get why Cheung would see it that way. Personally, I'm of the mind you can have an Asian Iron-Fist and have an Asian Star-Lord, an Asian Daredevil or Asian Spider-Man for instance. Just because Iron Fist would be doesn't mean you couldn't have others, but I did tell you the reason why I'd rather Iron Fist get the nod. The story of Danny Rand hits one too many White Savior bullet points.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 9, 2015 22:58:22 GMT -5
How about whoever is best for the role gets it and not make it race based? If only that was how casting usually worked. But in a world where it isn't (whether it be casting agencies that don't want to cast the net further than white main characters or a fandom that thinks everyone has to look exactly like they did in a society where black people couldn't vote and asian people ended up in internment camps) people have to try and come up with other solutions.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2015 1:19:01 GMT -5
How about whoever is best for the role gets it and not make it race based? If only that was how casting usually worked. But in a world where it isn't (whether it be casting agencies that don't want to cast the net further than white main characters or a fandom that thinks everyone has to look exactly like they did in a society where black people couldn't vote and asian people ended up in internment camps) people have to try and come up with other solutions. Just saying my favorite book series is The Dark Tower who main character, Roland, is described as a mix of Clint Eastwood and Stephen King. Casting new today has Idris Elba playing him. Just don't think race matter in terms of character. As long as Danny Rand is a badass martial artist (white, Asian, black, Hispanic) I don't care. Will he end up being white? Probably but if so it'll probably be because the guy auctioned very well and deserves the role.
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Post by Legion on Dec 10, 2015 3:00:16 GMT -5
Seeing as how that's not really what you said, but I get why Cheung would see it that way. Personally, I'm of the mind you can have an Asian Iron-Fist and have an Asian Star-Lord, an Asian Daredevil or Asian Spider-Man for instance. Just because Iron Fist would be doesn't mean you couldn't have others, but I did tell you the reason why I'd rather Iron Fist get the nod. The story of Danny Rand hits one too many White Savior bullet points. I can see why you feel he hits white saviour notes, but those are the same notes hit from the different end of the scale when you make the martial arts guy an Asian guy. There are negative race issues either way. How about whoever is best for the role gets it and not make it race based? That can work in many adaptations, but when you have a visual medium becoming a live action visual medium, many fans want to see the character they enjoy brought to life. If you read a comic and it's a white guy then you see the show and it's a black/asian/Chinese etc guy then, while the show may be great, for that source material fan, it can break the moment/illusion and stop you getting totally immersed. It isn't a race hate thing (on the whole, some people might be racists too I guess), just a fan wanting to see a true to the source reflection. In books, you dont get that as much because a character is usually described once when first introduced, then it's up to you to imagine how they look. I always imagine Melisandre in GoT to be a tall black woman ala Grace Jones in A View to a Kill. I know the book says she is white, but you dont 'see' her in that the books aren't a visual medium, so you imagination can do what it wants. It isn't like that with comics, where you see everyone.
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