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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 12, 2016 18:55:43 GMT -5
New Japan made the call to strip Nakamura of the title because they knew folks would be expecting him to lose to Omega and they wanted to give him a better sendoff. I don't doubt he'll be going out on his back the next couple of matches including FantasticaMania. But honestly, would Omega get put over in the fans' eyes as a top guy if he pinned someone with half of his body out of the door? He gains no real momentum from that move. This wasn't a WWE call. People assume it is but it's not. Alberto didn't drop the Mega title in AAA because he hated the people who ran the company and WWE feared a double cross. Because how can someone who just lost to KUSHIDA suddenly take down Swagsuke within a month with no real change outside of taking leadership of the Bullet Club? Puroresu likes to build up to moments like that instead of shock pinfalls. 7 days ago he pinned Nakamura CLEANLY in front of everyone watching at Korakuen. Since he's now a Heavyweight this would've been a major shot in the arm for him and he would be known as the guy who ran both AJ and Nakamura out of the company. If you're going out and you're champion as you are, you lose the belt to whoever you defend it against as you leave. You don't just vacate it because you don't feel like it. That's one of the rules in Wrestling that should always be followed. This devalues The IC Belt and will make whoever wins it at New Beginning a Paper Champion since they didn't beat Nakamura. He pinned Nakamura in a tag team match. He was a junior a day earlier. Suddenly he's a heavyweight but haven't proved himself against other heavyweights in one on one matches. If Nakamura was going to be there until late February, there would been enough time to build up Omega as a serious contender with a couple of wins over some heavies before doing the match. But there was literally no time to do that since Swags is gone in a couple of weeks and FantasticaMania is eating up the majority of NJPW shows. The point is that even if Omega pinned Nakamura for the IC title in the middle of the ring, fans won't suddenly buy him as a worthy champion. AJ Styles came in and beat heavy hitters and held his own against them. Until a couple of weeks ago, Omega was a goofy junior. Juniors don't suddenly become threats because they call themselves heavyweights in Japan. They got to prove themselves against competition. Hell, we are not even certain that Kenny will even get the belt. They might pull a swerve and give it to someone like Nagata or Kojima.
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Post by chrom on Jan 12, 2016 19:15:47 GMT -5
7 days ago he pinned Nakamura CLEANLY in front of everyone watching at Korakuen. Since he's now a Heavyweight this would've been a major shot in the arm for him and he would be known as the guy who ran both AJ and Nakamura out of the company. If you're going out and you're champion as you are, you lose the belt to whoever you defend it against as you leave. You don't just vacate it because you don't feel like it. That's one of the rules in Wrestling that should always be followed. This devalues The IC Belt and will make whoever wins it at New Beginning a Paper Champion since they didn't beat Nakamura. He pinned Nakamura in a tag team match. He was a junior a day earlier. Suddenly he's a heavyweight but haven't proved himself against other heavyweights in one on one matches. If Nakamura was going to be there until late February, there would been enough time to build up Omega as a serious contender with a couple of wins over some heavies before doing the match. But there was literally no time to do that since Swags is gone in a couple of weeks and FantasticaMania is eating up the majority of NJPW shows. The point is that even if Omega pinned Nakamura for the IC title in the middle of the ring, fans won't suddenly buy him as a worthy champion. AJ Styles came in and beat heavy hitters and held his own against them. Until a couple of weeks ago, Omega was a goofy junior. Juniors don't suddenly become threats because they call themselves heavyweights in Japan. They got to prove themselves against competition. Hell, we are not even certain that Kenny will even get the belt. They might pull a swerve and give it to someone like Nagata or Kojima. When Okada as a Young Lion left for his excursion in early 2010 and returned, he was considered by most at best a bump in the road for Hiroshi Tanahashi to defend against even after having dyed his hair blonde and joining Chaos after only having beaten Yoshi flippin' Hashi and many believed it'd be an easy defense for Tanahashi when he challenged him after Tanahashi had set the record for most title defenses at WK6. Only for Okada to win The IWGP Belt and shocked The Wrestling world upon doing so little over a month later so time isn't a factor. Nakamura's last date is the 30th at Korakuen, which would be airing on TV and New Japan World. He could've lost the Belt to Omega there.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 12, 2016 19:29:42 GMT -5
He pinned Nakamura in a tag team match. He was a junior a day earlier. Suddenly he's a heavyweight but haven't proved himself against other heavyweights in one on one matches. If Nakamura was going to be there until late February, there would been enough time to build up Omega as a serious contender with a couple of wins over some heavies before doing the match. But there was literally no time to do that since Swags is gone in a couple of weeks and FantasticaMania is eating up the majority of NJPW shows. The point is that even if Omega pinned Nakamura for the IC title in the middle of the ring, fans won't suddenly buy him as a worthy champion. AJ Styles came in and beat heavy hitters and held his own against them. Until a couple of weeks ago, Omega was a goofy junior. Juniors don't suddenly become threats because they call themselves heavyweights in Japan. They got to prove themselves against competition. Hell, we are not even certain that Kenny will even get the belt. They might pull a swerve and give it to someone like Nagata or Kojima. When Okada as a Young Lion left for his excursion in early 2010 and returned, he was considered by most at best a bump in the road for Hiroshi Tanahashi to defend against even after having dyed his hair blonde and joining Chaos after only having beaten Yoshi flippin' Hashi and many believed it'd be an easy defense for Tanahashi when he challenged him after Tanahashi had set the record for most title defenses at WK6. Only for Okada to win The IWGP Belt and shocked The Wrestling world upon doing so little over a month later so time isn't a factor. Nakamura's last date is the 30th at Korakuen, which would be airing on TV and New Japan World. He could've lost the Belt to Omega there. Okada got the Alberto Del Rio push of getting a big push from the get go. And it took a while for the crowd to warm up to him for that move. Also Okada wasn't branded a junior. Omega is still a junior in a lot of Japanese fans' eyes. The beatdown on AJ didn't change that. If FantasticaMania wasn't happening, they could give him a pin over Tenzan or Koji. Hell, he could got a victory over KUSHIDA to clear that defeat off. I want Omega beating Nakamura to mean something and elevate him. Ibushi was more made from taking Nakamura pass the limit than Kenny would be winning a match that everyone knows he is winning. They had no time to hype it up and make Omega a worthy challenger.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jan 12, 2016 19:56:13 GMT -5
It's just a shame how it went. I get what ________ has left the building is saying because it's true. Omega hasn't had the star-making performances or the slow build story Ibushi had upon entering the heavyweight division, and winning a Japanese Goldberg/Lesnar-esque deal with the result being such a given wouldn't mean all that much for him. They had to scramble to put Omega on the map and fast, which I think they're doing a great job of all things considered, but it's clearly not ideal. Another month or two would have been perfect, because there needs to be a few more steps instead of jumping right to D from A to really make Omega. Such lousy timing. I think he has all the talent in the world and will make whatever he's given work regardless. I'm really stoked to see what we'll get from him this year. I've also been thinking about Kenny Omega in general lately. I'm so happy for the guy. I've been watching him for years and if you know anything about the guy and his story it's hard not to be thrilled for him. I've got my fingers crossed for an Ibushi/Omega heavyweight feud in NJPW. Those guys make magic happen in the ring and their story is so cool. The potential of that rivalry playing out on the big stage of New Japan now that the scene has opened up a bit has me genuinely excited.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 13, 2016 0:43:28 GMT -5
I'm betting Tanahashi beats Omega for the title, and takes Nakamura's place as the IC title gatekeeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 6:07:16 GMT -5
I hope the IC title doesn't just become Tanahashi's accessory like it did with Nakamura.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jan 13, 2016 7:52:38 GMT -5
What if Goto actually wins at New Beginning? Holy shit I would pop so hard. It's the perfect time too since Tana seems to be taking a back seat, Nakamura and AJ are gone and it's about time a fresh face got a hand on the title. We'd probably be able to hear Raskovnik pop if he did.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 13, 2016 8:07:54 GMT -5
i won't rule that out but with Okada all but cementing his name as the new ace, do you think they will put the title on a guy they didn't have faith to carry the secondary title?
i still think it will be Naito at Dominion to end Okada's 1 year run and Okada winning the G1 (again) to set up the rematch at WK XI
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 8:18:39 GMT -5
I'd love to see Goto win it, but I'm still placing bets on Tanahashi. Shelton X Benjamin is a good guess though, props to whoever mentioned that.
Speaking of Shelton,
The man has great taste.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2016 9:30:50 GMT -5
What if Goto actually wins at New Beginning? Holy shit I would pop so hard. It's the perfect time too since Tana seems to be taking a back seat, Nakamura and AJ are gone and it's about time a fresh face got a hand on the title. We'd probably be able to hear Raskovnik pop if he did. I'd pop, too; it'd be a bold statement, that Okada is cemented as the new ace, but now he has to live with all the challenges that come with that status. That said, given that Goto won the tag match at Dash, and given that crowds are still firmly behind Okada, I have a hard time seeing him losing. Goto could use a good build up before possibly winning the belt, too; the Naito win was great, but he could use a good longer term feud. That said, I do want to see them do something "out there" at New Beginning to signal that this is a new era, maybe Naito involving himself in the main event and really breaking the sanctity of an IWGP heavyweight title match by interfering in some way.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 13, 2016 15:13:05 GMT -5
Nakamura's last NJPW appearances help sell out all of the FantasticaMania shows. Plus his impending departure is getting major press in Japan.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 15, 2016 21:08:37 GMT -5
Tomohiro Ishii has a weird ass entrance song. First it has Perry Saturn's WCW siren followed by Rick Steiner's barking dogs, a harpsichord intro, then a couple of guitar riffs that don't seem to fit together before going into a sitar solo.
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Post by RedSmile on Jan 16, 2016 17:12:47 GMT -5
New Japan made the call to strip Nakamura of the title because they knew folks would be expecting him to lose to Omega and they wanted to give him a better sendoff. I don't doubt he'll be going out on his back the next couple of matches including FantasticaMania. But honestly, would Omega get put over in the fans' eyes as a top guy if he pinned someone with half of his body out of the door? He gains no real momentum from that move. This wasn't a WWE call. People assume it is but it's not. Alberto didn't drop the Mega title in AAA because he hated the people who ran the company and WWE feared a double cross. Because how can someone who just lost to KUSHIDA suddenly take down Swagsuke within a month with no real change outside of taking leadership of the Bullet Club? Puroresu likes to build up to moments like that instead of shock pinfalls. 7 days ago he pinned Nakamura CLEANLY in front of everyone watching at Korakuen. Since he's now a Heavyweight this would've been a major shot in the arm for him and he would be known as the guy who ran both AJ and Nakamura out of the company. If you're going out and you're champion as you are, you lose the belt to whoever you defend it against as you leave. You don't just vacate it because you don't feel like it. That's one of the rules in Wrestling that should always be followed. This devalues The IC Belt and will make whoever wins it at New Beginning a Paper Champion since they didn't beat Nakamura. This leaves it wide open if Nakamura flops in WWE and comes back to NJPW in short order.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 17, 2016 11:38:49 GMT -5
i won't rule that out but with Okada all but cementing his name as the new ace, do you think they will put the title on a guy they didn't have faith to carry the secondary title? i still think it will be Naito at Dominion to end Okada's 1 year run and Okada winning the G1 (again) to set up the rematch at WK XI This sounds tremendous.
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Jan 17, 2016 16:53:00 GMT -5
Remember when NJPW had real wrestling?
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Jan 17, 2016 17:38:22 GMT -5
Remember when NJPW had real wrestling? That's the best YouTube video title I've ever seen.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 18, 2016 15:08:01 GMT -5
I'm not Omega fan, but this is amazing.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jan 18, 2016 15:39:42 GMT -5
"The Cleaner" Kenny Omega becoming "The Final Boss" Kenny Omega is rad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:43:37 GMT -5
Ishii's new theme has been released. I'm just glad they'll quit dubbing it.
HOLLA IF YA HEAR ME! HEH!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 0:39:23 GMT -5
I'm not Omega fan, but this is amazing. Besides Pentagon Jrs theme this my favourite theme just amazing and I have now swept my house while listening to this song atleast 10 times.
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