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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 16:53:25 GMT -5
I used to work at a college. Staff, students and instructors made a lifestyle out of it.
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Post by kunswwfmark on Dec 12, 2015 17:11:43 GMT -5
"I guess people are too PC" = "I made a shitty remark and I don't want to own it now." Yes I've seen some of that. But I've also seen this sentiment: "People that question political correctness just want to be bigots" which tends to equal I can't handle my worldview being questioned or back up my arguments so I'll just dismiss you with a negative label and try to shut you up. As with a lot of things it's hardly a cut-and-dried issue. I agree with this 100%. Very well stated.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 12, 2015 17:33:11 GMT -5
I've seen a man dressed as a demon have sex with a mannequin dressed as a cheerleader that was supposed to be a corpse in a coffin in a funeral home.
I cannot be offended by anything. I have literally seen it all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 18:24:23 GMT -5
"I guess people are too PC" = "I made a shitty remark and I don't want to own it now." Yes I've seen some of that. But I've also seen this sentiment: "People that question political correctness just want to be bigots" which tends to equal I can't handle my worldview being questioned or back up my arguments so I'll just dismiss you with a negative label and try to shut you up. As with a lot of things it's hardly a cut-and-dried issue. I'm co-sign this. Funny how people talk about how bad anti-pc people but ignore/pretend that stuff like this doesn't exist. This is pretty my experience online when it comes to stuff like tumblr or twitter.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Dec 12, 2015 22:43:22 GMT -5
Very rarely. I tend to always hear it from the people who are anti-PC, but they're usually the ones that cry the most when they get offended. Co-signed on all points. Anti-PC people are exceptionally unaware of how much they are like the people they are annoyed by.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 13, 2015 2:03:33 GMT -5
Co-co-co-signed. It seems like there's some people that are outraged and offended over people being outraged and offended. And believe me, that's not a paradox. It's the attitude of getting bent out of shape over the fact that people's standards evolve over time, and there are some jokes and ideas that gradually don't hold up anymore. And I will co sign this with a big batch of bullshit. Do not stand there and tell me that PC culture hasn't gotten out of hand. For the love of god look at places like Brown University. People are so scared to say anything that goes against the norm that students are literally having to go underground to have any sort of political discussion. Not just evil white men either but full blown liberals because apparently they aren't left enough. Or how last month at Yale during a discussion on free speech was derailed by some white guy who immediately started hurling insults are everyone in attendance. For those in the audience who also happened to be minorities he spat on them and called them race traitors. Or how about the two Professors at Yale who resigned this week because there email asking students to not cause trouble on Halloween towards costumes that could be called offensive, was some how insensitive. Also I remember the fact that the University of Missouri was met with protests because of a poop swastika and somebody who lied about the KKK being on campus. But being offended, never happens. Just because The Daily Show or Jon "Its 2015" Oliver don't have it on their program doesn't mean this stuff isn't happening. Also yes I am offended. I am offended that you three could take all this and boil it down to, "No, you." Dude, no offense, but you just literally proved my point in that post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:22:48 GMT -5
I think they're a vocal minority but these people definitely exist as you can tell that most mediums are constantly micromanaging themselves to stay out of their crosshairs. The trouble with the internet is that the lowest common denominator is usually the one that gets the most attention, the loudest voice usually wins over a reasonable one and thus the internet for the most part is a giant screaming match. Real life conversations never escalate as easy as online ones can either because of the anonymity or just the gratification of being able to type words and see action that results from it. I think either side can play things to the extremes where context is irrelevant and everything's black and white, and for the most part I find it easier staying out of it. I never run into these conversations in real life, I mean I've seen people get offended by politicians, musicians, movies or whatever but that's basically it, there's no call to action to get anyone fired or start a crusade over anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:35:50 GMT -5
Everyone sucks. On one hand someone takes it too far and gets mad when someone gets mad or doesn't find them funny or agrees with them. On the other hand some people look for any reason to get offended or to have a self righteous cause.
But lately I been more annoyed on the ones who dismiss of omg I'm not pc enough for its their excuse to excuse their shitty behavior and jokes and lack of common sense around other people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 3:05:42 GMT -5
One of the few times I've been offended in person was when I was outside at a bar with a couple of friends and a girl walked in. As soon as she got inside my friends both started going on about how ugly she was, like picking apart everything about how she looked and dressed. It was really f***ed up and I told them so. I'm more bothered by mean-spiritedness than syntax or anything like that.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Dec 13, 2015 3:39:04 GMT -5
I was originally going to not say anything in this thread, but now I will. In my experience, the only way to stay out of being labeled 'offensive' or anti/pro-PC or whatever is to stay quiet and never share opinions.
Much like the post I did on sexism a while back, the whole 'PC/Anti-PC' thing is something that's always confused me, and I've seen so many different definitions and types of people labeled as both that I find it very confusing and something I'd rather stay away from altogether.
Generally though? Because I'm always afraid of unintentionally offending people, I usually stay quiet on most things, and it's just another reason for me to give up entirely.
And on a sidenote, I'm not giving my opinion on any of the posts in this thread, for the above reason.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 13, 2015 4:10:28 GMT -5
Back in the day I moved into an apartment with a few friends. Someone washed my cast iron pan in a dishwasher and rusted it out and it offended the shit out of me... opps I don't mean offended I mean to quote the late great Robin Haris "Pissed me off to the highest level of Pisstivity."
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Post by Clover Star on Dec 13, 2015 4:28:02 GMT -5
I'll co-co-sign on this. Most of the times when I hear people getting offended IRL its that they're offended over the simplest things. The moment they tell a lame joke that doesn't land they rally about people are "too f***ing PC man, nothing's funny anymore." They act all offended and stuff - its hilarious and sad. Other than that, the whole PC/being offended thing is largely relegated to online and small things that are blown out of proportion by "news outlets" in order to get more viewers/clicks. Co-co-co-signed. It seems like there's some people that are outraged and offended over people being outraged and offended. And believe me, that's not a paradox. It's the attitude of getting bent out of shape over the fact that people's standards evolve over time, and there are some jokes and ideas that gradually don't hold up anymore. Pretty much this, in my experience. Like right now the go-to insult seems to be "sjw" which is real silly, because it's not even really an effective insult in the first place. I get called it a lot, to which I reply, "If standing up to sexism of all types, along with transphobia, homophobia and racism, makes me an sjw, so be it". Reclaiming the insult takes away its power.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 13, 2015 5:59:02 GMT -5
This is a very difficult question to answer since I think a lot of people who are offended by sexist/racist/homophobic remarks tend to be in social dynamics that make it very difficult to say they were offended. For example, I am sure individuals who are transgender hear countless comments that are very offensive. However, they also are in constant fear of ridicule and violence and it is tough to express themselves publicly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 6:08:37 GMT -5
In real life? no, on the internet OH YEAH.
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Post by Clover Star on Dec 13, 2015 6:29:46 GMT -5
This is a very difficult question to answer since I think a lot of people who are offended by sexist/racist/homophobic remarks tend to be in social dynamics that make it very difficult to say they were offended. For example, I am sure individuals who are transgender hear countless comments that are very offensive. However, they also are in constant fear of ridicule and violence and it is tough to express themselves publicly. Yes, thank you. It's much easier for me to tell someone off if they say something online than it is in real life, because online, I don't really have to worry about people murdering me for being transgender. In real life, I don't have that protection. I'm surrounded by transphobia almost 24/7, and guess what? It sucks and makes me feel very dejected.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Dec 13, 2015 8:42:12 GMT -5
Personally, I've only ever come across people being offended on the Internet.
On the general issue, the question I always ask is "How many offended people does it take for something to be considered offensive?" I've come across debates where a common argument is "If you're not _____, you cannot question their right to be offended." On the other hand, I've seen people claiming to be offended and get roundly dismissed as being ridiculous. I understand and agree that there should be lines of common decency not to be crossed, but where exactly should those lines be drawn?
It also seems to me that people WANT to be offended. You can have 100 people offering words of support, and 1 person making an idiotic bigoted comment, and in response people will be more interested in vilifying that 1 person than showing appreciation for the support of the 100 others.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 13, 2015 11:15:51 GMT -5
Personally, I've only ever come across people being offended on the Internet. On the general issue, the question I always ask is "How many offended people does it take for something to be considered offensive?" I've come across debates where a common argument is "If you're not _____, you cannot question their right to be offended." On the other hand, I've seen people claiming to be offended and get roundly dismissed as being ridiculous. I understand and agree that there should be lines of common decency not to be crossed, but where exactly should those lines be drawn? It also seems to me that people WANT to be offended. You can have 100 people offering words of support, and 1 person making an idiotic bigoted comment, and in response people will be more interested in vilifying that 1 person than showing appreciation for the support of the 100 others. You draw the line at treating people how they want to be treated. And there aren't that many people who "want to be offended" as you think. Most of that "vilifying" is a reaction to someone having a backwards, dated mindset or just a shitty attitude towards the fact that society is gradually evolving. As time marches on, there's only going to be more and more things that people realize were wrong, find offensive and shouldn't be acceptable anymore. It's not gonna stop. Blackface eventually fell by the wayside, using the word "gay" as an insult fell out of fashion, and the casualties are going to continue to mount. As I get older, many of the beliefs I held and grew up with will probably be challenged, and I'm fine with that. I want to keep changing and growing as a person. So if someone wants to point out social problems that still persist, or that they think a certain joke or stereotype bothers them, I'm willing to listen to them and either give it some thought, or make a conscious effort to not say said thing I know legitimately bothers them. And I don't feel I'm being censored or restricted, it's simply a matter of respect and courtesy.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 13, 2015 11:28:23 GMT -5
There's been Yahoo articles that amount to.... eight or nine tweets from bored soccer moms about something Raven Simone said on The View said she was insensitive. Raven has gotten out of hand!
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Dec 13, 2015 11:58:42 GMT -5
Rereading this thread and thinking it over for a bit, I've come to the conclusion that I'd just like people to be nice to each other and not discriminatory in any way. Why does that seem to be so hard for some people?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 13, 2015 11:58:44 GMT -5
There's been Yahoo articles that amount to.... eight or nine tweets from bored soccer moms about something Raven Simone said on The View said she was insensitive. Raven has gotten out of hand! To be fair, much of the things she had said recently were pretty stupid.
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