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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 13, 2015 23:59:57 GMT -5
So I literally just got into Star Trek today, but that's not what I want to talk about.
I want to talk about the modern day alterations made to parts of episodes to give it a modern look.
I read about them on Wikipedia and could immediately tell what they were referring to in the 2 episodes I watched.
Now, I know how Star Wars fans have been up in arms about George Lucas' alterations on the special editions, and even though I didn't pay attention to Star Trek until today, I would think I would have at least heard something in passing about Trek fans being pissed about these changes
Am I right? I find them distracting and I'm not even a hardcore fan (yet) and are these the only versions available?
Does anyone else think the changes suck?
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Post by mizerable on Dec 14, 2015 0:10:59 GMT -5
Nothing that remotely stands out, really. Outside of the alterations they made for the DS9 episode, which was actually pretty cool.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 14, 2015 0:15:51 GMT -5
If you buy the Blu-rays for TOS, you get the option of watching the originals or the updated versions, so no worries.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 14, 2015 4:01:06 GMT -5
Meh. Most of the updates were tolerable. Hell, most of the updates in Star Wars were tolerable too (except Han shot first!!!)
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Post by Burst on Dec 14, 2015 5:05:19 GMT -5
If I recall, a lot of the changes to TOS were to make it compatible for HD syndication without looking just BAD. There's definitely some moments in TOS where you could tell that they got away with fudging it because of the average screen size and picture quality of a 1960s TV. When you blow that up to a 50-inch 1080p modern TV, you suddenly notice stuff like Kirk and Spock transforming into their stunt doubles and the dodginess of some of the special effects.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 14, 2015 5:13:16 GMT -5
If you buy the Blu-rays for TOS, you get the option of watching the originals or the updated versions, so no worries. Yup, and they look great and are how I always watch the show. Before the Blu-rays, the show had also been released in full on DVD in the original version twice, so it's only on streaming that the fake version has been a monopoly. Getcher cheap CG outta my 1960s tv show! |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 14, 2015 6:55:52 GMT -5
They actually did a good job with the remastered TOS. The updated effects shots were done in the style of the show and what they were capable of at that time, so its not as jarring as the new shots inserted into Star Wars.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 14, 2015 7:42:28 GMT -5
They actually did a good job with the remastered TOS. The updated effects shots were done in the style of the show and what they were capable of at that time, so its not as jarring as the new shots inserted into Star Wars. Pretty jarring imo, I don't remember a lot of CG effects in 1960s television. I guess I'm probably too into film and tv, spend a lot of time watching all kinds of stuff from all eras, seeing video game looking shit produced entirely on digital video inserted into something from the 60s otherwise entirely film-sourced is about as jarring as it gets. This kind of talking has me thinking that it's inevitable some day an asshole's gonna CG up 2001: A Space Odyssey. "Kubrick would've totally done it this way bro, Doug Trumbull was such a pleb", and people will defend it by saying "they did a good job", "they were done in the style of the film", "it's not as jarring as x". I mean another Star Trek thing, but you go around the internet and the vast consensus is that the UPN quality modifications to Star Trek TMP are totally badass and 'fix' the movie. I'll take some of the most elaborate and labored on practical effects work in cinema history wholesale rather than this batardized version that, whether by intention or not, better aligns it with the aesthetic of Star Trek: Voyager. Internet in general seems to have a hard on for bad CG and CG in general, seeing all the praise for something like Kingsman around here and the fact that a sizable amount of people actually like those garbage Hobbit movies. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 14, 2015 9:26:25 GMT -5
I think they did a great job. It's unintrusive and doesn't affect the narrative. The opposite of what the changes to Star Wars are.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 14, 2015 9:39:24 GMT -5
They actually did a good job with the remastered TOS. The updated effects shots were done in the style of the show and what they were capable of at that time, so its not as jarring as the new shots inserted into Star Wars. Pretty jarring imo, I don't remember a lot of CG effects in 1960s television. I guess I'm probably too into film and tv, spend a lot of time watching all kinds of stuff from all eras, seeing video game looking shit produced entirely on digital video inserted into something from the 60s otherwise entirely film-sourced is about as jarring as it gets. This kind of talking has me thinking that it's inevitable some day an asshole's gonna CG up 2001: A Space Odyssey. "Kubrick would've totally done it this way bro, Doug Trumbull was such a pleb", and people will defend it by saying "they did a good job", "they were done in the style of the film", "it's not as jarring as x". I mean another Star Trek thing, but you go around the internet and the vast consensus is that the UPN quality modifications to Star Trek TMP are totally badass and 'fix' the movie. I'll take some of the most elaborate and labored on practical effects work in cinema history wholesale rather than this batardized version that, whether by intention or not, better aligns it with the aesthetic of Star Trek: Voyager. Internet in general seems to have a hard on for bad CG and CG in general, seeing all the praise for something like Kingsman around here and the fact that a sizable amount of people actually like those garbage Hobbit movies. That's funny, as on the other hand, all I hear on the net is how bad CGI is and how people pine for the good old days of cel animation, puppets, people in suits, etc. My problem with the Hobbit series was not the CGI, actually...it was that they put in too much comic relief. I quit when the first movie was laden with farting jokes and the like. Never really watched the remastered TOS, oddly enough the only recon I and others have done was closing logo oddities from those prints. (Did you know the CBS-Paramount logo is plastered at the end of most eps...but some have the byline and copyright info from the logos they replace...including a reference to the now-defunct Gulf+Western?) But as someone said, at least they didn't try to rewrite history and offer the original versions all the same. As much as CBS can, that is...there's the closing logo matter, plus replacing any music they have to pay a penny for. Spielberg redeemed himself when he did similar with E.T., and now I understand he disavows the special 20th anniversary edition, aka E.T. Fears Walkie-Talkie, altogether. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 14, 2015 9:52:39 GMT -5
If you buy the Blu-rays for TOS, you get the option of watching the originals or the updated versions, so no worries. If Lucas had did the same thing people wouldn't be half as pissed off about it as they are. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 14, 2015 11:07:03 GMT -5
If you buy the Blu-rays for TOS, you get the option of watching the originals or the updated versions, so no worries. If Lucas had did the same thing people wouldn't be half as pissed off about it as they are. This needs to be mentioned... Lucas basically decided his newest versions are the only versions. Meh. Most of the updates were tolerable. Hell, most of the updates in Star Wars were tolerable too (except Han shot first!!!) Personally I think the dumbest changes were the song and dance sequence during Jabba's palace that kinda comes outta nowhere, and in the latest versions Obi Wan's random noises and NOOOO! added to Vader tossing the Emperor. all of those were super unnecessary. Han/Greedo scene never bothered me... I can see how people would (especially the original terrible overdub of it). I mean Han still gets up afterwards like a badass and walks away like this sort of shit happens all the time. also Han didn't shoot first... the correct vernacular should just be "Han Shot"... first implies that someone shot second and that didn't happen. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 14, 2015 11:15:16 GMT -5
We don't have things like for instance, Chris Pine being inserted in place of Shatner or episodes where the original story line is completely altered.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 14, 2015 11:38:46 GMT -5
We don't have things like for instance, Chris Pine being inserted in place of Shatner or episodes where the original story line is completely altered. Klingon's getting CGI ridges would have been pretty hilarious. Augment virus? That's stupid. Just glue some ridges to them in post. |
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