Daniel Bryan Comments on Part-Timers

[mcstoklasa]

Agreed with Bryan but we do need to make the distinction between the part timers.

Brock Lesnar is a part timer. He shows up for about 15 or so RAW's a year. Wrestles 4 or 5 PPV's and a few live house shows, etc etc. He has allegedly restructured his contract to work more dates recently also, what with him working three house shows over the next few months.

The Rock is NOT a part-timer. He just isn't. The guy shows up once a year, at best. Hasn't wrestled for a few years either. Whereas Lesnar can be seen as a current guy on the roster who is still relevant in WWE with this new 'Beast'/'Suplex City'/'Invincible Overlord' character, Rocky is just relying on who he was in the attitude era.

Also Lesnar is 38, pretty much all of the others are well into their forties and fifties and are either right near the end of the road, or barely ever show up anyway.

[Sparkybob]

Dec 19, 2015 19:23:01 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody said "give me your spot, dick!" to Brock but it's impossible to know since that person was turned into dust.

Just like I know that Billy Kidman never actually complained about Brock using the shooting star press because Kidman isn't currently in a wheelchair.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Dec 19, 2015 20:57:06 GMT -5 Professor Chaos said:

I don't consider Brock a part timer but more of an attraction. If he wrestled every week what would he be doing? Trading wins back and forth every week with The Ryback?

Brock is the kind of guy where the Wheel of Aggression booking would make sense. He crushes lower carders on TV, has the occasional match with someone like Ryback and then matches with the huge names are still saved for big shows like Mania and Summerslam.

Dec 19, 2015 21:04:18 GMT -5 mcstoklasa said:

Agreed with Bryan but we do need to make the distinction between the part timers.

Brock Lesnar is a part timer. He shows up for about 15 or so RAW's a year. Wrestles 4 or 5 PPV's and a few live house shows, etc etc. He has allegedly restructured his contract to work more dates recently also, what with him working three house shows over the next few months.

The Rock is NOT a part-timer. He just isn't. The guy shows up once a year, at best. Hasn't wrestled for a few years either. Whereas Lesnar can be seen as a current guy on the roster who is still relevant in WWE with this new 'Beast'/'Suplex City'/'Invincible Overlord' character, Rocky is just relying on who he was in the attitude era.

Also Lesnar is 38, pretty much all of the others are well into their forties and fifties and are either right near the end of the road, or barely ever show up anyway.

To be fair, the Rock is being pushed on the merits of his actual wrestling career whereas WWE push Brock based on his UFC career in the hopes of reaching the "Dudebros in Tapout shirts". Vince's desperation for mainstream acceptance makes him value Brock more as a "UFC Fighter" than an actual pro wrestler; his first run seems to be practically erased from WWE history.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Dec 19, 2015 19:23:01 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody said "give me your spot, dick!" to Brock but it's impossible to know since that person was turned into dust.

Undertaker...tape...fists...etc...

[Hit Girl]

Part timers are fine, to bring back for big events, but they need to lose to full timers. It's part of star making. Otherwise you are sending the message to the fans that the current roster is inferior to 40 year olds who wrestle occasionally.

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He's on the money man. Those Mania and big PPV spots going to full time wrestlers would force WWE to protect them and their matches more. They wouldn't throw shit out there to fill time like that if they had to promote it as a big match because they don't have the option of having part timers fill those spots.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

Dec 19, 2015 21:38:13 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Dec 19, 2015 19:23:01 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody said "give me your spot, dick!" to Brock but it's impossible to know since that person was turned into dust.

Just like I know that Billy Kidman never actually complained about Brock using the shooting star press because Kidman isn't currently in a wheelchair.

I wouldn't be complaining either if this is what I had to show for it

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Dec 20, 2015 0:14:25 GMT -5 @lovehater said:

He's on the money man. Those Mania and big PPV spots going to full time wrestlers would force WWE to protect them and their matches more. They wouldn't throw shit out there to fill time like that if they had to promote it as a big match because they don't have the option of having part timers fill those spots.

Between the part-timers Mania, only 3 guys have gotten to crack the main event that were new stars, Bryan, Reigns and Rollins. To further study the main events here they are since 2010.

Wrestlemania 26: Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker. Shawn was hanging them up and Undertaker I think was still semi full-time. It gets a pass.

Wrestlemania 27: John Cena vs. Miz: WWE Championship. Cena back in the main event again. Miz over shadowed by The Rock. His Wrestlemania main eventer status is completely killed within a year. Note: This pissed off CM Punk.

Wrestlemania 28: John Cena vs. Rock. Once in a life time. Or so they say. One full timer who is always in the main events. One part-timer. Note: This again pissed off CM Punk.

Wrestlemania 29: John Cena vs. Rock: WWE Championship. Another BORING rematch. Note: This ONCE AGAIN pissed off CM Punk.

Wrestlemania 30: Batista vs. Randy Orton*: WWE Championship. This was the original plan. One part timer and one full-timer.

Wrestlemania 31: Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns: WWE Championship. They were going to make a new star but they made another star instead.

So really, if it wasn't for Roman and the crowd behind Bryan in 2014, it's true, there would be no full timers that can be a new star in a main event. So much for creating new stars.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

Dec 20, 2015 14:48:25 GMT -5 "Cane Dewey" Johnson said:

Dec 20, 2015 0:29:34 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

I wouldn't be complaining either if this is what I had to show for it

Are we forgetting the time at Wrestlemania when Lesnar shooting star pressed his face because LOL Kidman?

Lesnar might have landed on his face horrifically, but he managed to do so in the proper direction.

Shit's far more graceful that way.

[Big Bad Kahuna]

Dec 19, 2015 19:32:24 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Lesnar and Rock both held the title since coming back, and they had plans to center Wrestlemania 30 around the glorious return and ascension of the conquering hero Batista. The vast majority of the main roster was relegated at 31 to a giant clusterf*** battle royal solely to get people onto the card, but in positions that didn't really matter much at all. When WWE only really knows how to write two, maybe three storylines at a time that receive any real focus, and those big important spots are being taken by part-timers, it does take opportunities away from people. If the main roster all gets shoved down a few rungs come Wrestlemania time, then you're sending a very clear message about who your stars are.

been saying this since 2012 and no one took it seriously

so here we are in december 2015 with 1 actual fulltime top star left (Reigns)

[Main Eventer]

Dec 19, 2015 19:23:01 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody said "give me your spot, dick!" to Brock but it's impossible to know since that person was turned into dust.

So Brock was the one to turn Cody Rhodes into Stardust?

[saintpat]

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

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Dec 20, 2015 15:54:45 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

Maybe if WWE weren't so fixated on the part timers, they could've gotten more out of Bryan before he got hurt.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Dec 20, 2015 15:57:24 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Dec 20, 2015 15:54:45 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

Maybe if WWE weren't so fixated on the part timers, they could've gotten more out of Bryan before he got hurt.

How much more COULD they have gotten out of him? If anything, it was already too much given he'd be working more than one match on RAW a lot of weeks, and at his energy and pace, that could have accelerated things in terms of injuries a bit.

In terms of a longer championship run somewhere along the line... Doesn't bother me, really. We still had him in awesome matches every week, and I'm not sure how much having a title belt involved would have made them better somehow.

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Dec 20, 2015 16:09:52 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Dec 20, 2015 15:57:24 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Maybe if WWE weren't so fixated on the part timers, they could've gotten more out of Bryan before he got hurt.

How much more COULD they have gotten out of him? If anything, it was already too much given he'd be working more than one match on RAW a lot of weeks, and at his energy and pace, that could have accelerated things in terms of injuries a bit.

In terms of a longer championship run somewhere along the line... Doesn't bother me, really. We still had him in awesome matches every week, and I'm not sure how much having a title belt involved would have made them better somehow.

I do agree that the multiple matches were too much. But He didn't need to be working multiple matches. They should've been treating him more like a tippy top talent and not going out of their way to de-emphasize him. The moment he beat Cena, they should've stopped treating him like an underdog and started treating him like a guy to beat.

[saintpat]

Dec 20, 2015 15:57:24 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Dec 20, 2015 15:54:45 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

Maybe if WWE weren't so fixated on the part timers, they could've gotten more out of Bryan before he got hurt.

It was a couple of part-timers who made Bryan at WM.

Imagine the roof blowing off the Superdome if he had beaten Kane one-on-one for all the glory. Or even Orton.

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Dec 19, 2015 23:00:50 GMT -5 Hit Girl said:

Part timers are fine, to bring back for big events, but they need to lose to full timers. It's part of star making. Otherwise you are sending the message to the fans that the current roster is inferior to 40 year olds who wrestle occasionally.

Except for Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar should be booked as WWE's Final Boss and beating Brock Lesnar cleanly is the new ending Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak. The guy who beats Brock Lesnar cleanly is sure way of really putting somebody over without the albatross of being known as the over pushed guy who beat Undertakers streak. Which is why Lesnar was the perfect guy to beat the streak. It legitimized Lesnar as the Final Boss and the guy who beats The Final Boss will be legitimized.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Dec 20, 2015 15:54:45 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

I love this kind of thing, when someone leaves and complains, they're bitter and should have spoken up while they're still on the inside, when someone is still on the inside complains, someone will still try and discredit them. 'Oh well, he hasn't been in the ring much either', guy is injured, he's not taking time away by choice and it doesn't in any way lessen his point.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

It should be a balancing act like Bryan says, but they've failed in achieving that.

[Bub (BLM)]

Dec 20, 2015 21:38:03 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Dec 20, 2015 15:54:45 GMT -5 saintpat said:

Aren't there part-timers who have appeared in a WWE ring more often than Bryan since WM30?

I love this kind of thing, when someone leaves and complains, they're bitter and should have spoken up while they're still on the inside, when someone is still on the inside complains, someone will still try and discredit them. 'Oh well, he hasn't been in the ring much either', guy is injured, he's not taking time away by choice and it doesn't in any way lessen his point.

Precisely. If WWE's doctor would clear him, he'd be on the road right now wrestling every night. He's not off playing in a shitty band or ripping the heads off of deer in Bumf*** Nowhere, Canada.