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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 20, 2015 13:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 20, 2015 13:40:31 GMT -5
That's awesome. Just goes to show how there's still plenty of great people in the world and also that the law isn't always black and white.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 20, 2015 13:44:18 GMT -5
I hope this isn't one of those stories that turns out to be either BS or widely exaggerated because it's a genuinely good and important one. Doing this is much more constructive than digging her hole deeper by arresting her and making her pay a fine and/or sending her to jail. If someone turns to crime because they have no money, making them pay more money they don't have isn't going to solve the problem and neither is sending them to jail where they'll have to deal with more hardened criminals.
Honestly, I believe for the most part prison and fines are widely inappropriate ways to deal with crime and indeed helping people improve themselves and find legitimate ways to make a living is much more helpful for everyone. Plus that way you also lessen the problem of prison overpopulation AND that relieves pressure on taxpayers.
It's good that it's a cop who did this too as it can encourage other law makers and enforcers to support this type of methods and hopefully lead to more constructive attitudes when it comes to preventing crimes.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 20, 2015 14:59:10 GMT -5
I hope this isn't one of those stories that turns out to be either BS or widely exaggerated because it's a genuinely good and important one. Doing this is much more constructive than digging her hole deeper by arresting her and making her pay a fine and/or sending her to jail. If someone turns to crime because they have no money, making them pay more money they don't have isn't going to solve the problem and neither is sending them to jail where they'll have to deal with more hardened criminals. Honestly, I believe for the most part prison and fines are widely inappropriate ways to deal with crime and indeed helping people improve themselves and find legitimate ways to make a living is much more helpful for everyone. Plus that way you also lessen the problem of prison overpopulation AND that relieves pressure on taxpayers. It's good that it's a cop who did this too as it can encourage other law makers and enforcers to support this type of methods and hopefully lead to more constructive attitudes when it comes to preventing crimes. Even then, though, the problem with some laws is that sometimes the letter of the law makes people have to deal with prison to get to the spirit of improving themselves and their family's life- this was the '60s-'70s, but my father knew a guy who was sent to jail literally for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. No, really. That was actually the crime he had. The whole point was added- yes, the guy could have gotten off for the charge, but willingly chose jail time and refused parole when it was offered, solely because due to the laws at the time- if he was out of jail and couldn't work, his family was stuck and unable to get any help whatsoever...but if he was in prison, then his wife was able to apply for food stamps and welfare and actually help the family (again, at the time the story happened).
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Dec 20, 2015 16:53:08 GMT -5
I hope this isn't one of those stories that turns out to be either BS or widely exaggerated because it's a genuinely good and important one. Doing this is much more constructive than digging her hole deeper by arresting her and making her pay a fine and/or sending her to jail. If someone turns to crime because they have no money, making them pay more money they don't have isn't going to solve the problem and neither is sending them to jail where they'll have to deal with more hardened criminals. Honestly, I believe for the most part prison and fines are widely inappropriate ways to deal with crime and indeed helping people improve themselves and find legitimate ways to make a living is much more helpful for everyone. Plus that way you also lessen the problem of prison overpopulation AND that relieves pressure on taxpayers. It's good that it's a cop who did this too as it can encourage other law makers and enforcers to support this type of methods and hopefully lead to more constructive attitudes when it comes to preventing crimes. Even then, though, the problem with some laws is that sometimes the letter of the law makes people have to deal with prison to get to the spirit of improving themselves and their family's life- this was the '60s-'70s, but my father knew a guy who was sent to jail literally for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. No, really. That was actually the crime he had. The whole point was added- yes, the guy could have gotten off for the charge, but willingly chose jail time and refused parole when it was offered, solely because due to the laws at the time- if he was out of jail and couldn't work, his family was stuck and unable to get any help whatsoever...but if he was in prison, then his wife was able to apply for food stamps and welfare and actually help the family (again, at the time the story happened). Let me guess, the arresting officer was named Javert?
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 20, 2015 17:19:04 GMT -5
Even then, though, the problem with some laws is that sometimes the letter of the law makes people have to deal with prison to get to the spirit of improving themselves and their family's life- this was the '60s-'70s, but my father knew a guy who was sent to jail literally for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. No, really. That was actually the crime he had. The whole point was added- yes, the guy could have gotten off for the charge, but willingly chose jail time and refused parole when it was offered, solely because due to the laws at the time- if he was out of jail and couldn't work, his family was stuck and unable to get any help whatsoever...but if he was in prison, then his wife was able to apply for food stamps and welfare and actually help the family (again, at the time the story happened). Let me guess, the arresting officer was named Javert? That's honestly the reason it shocked me when my dad told me the story- but again, that's basically the story. The whole thing did boil down to- according to the laws at the time there- you couldn't apply for government assistance if the man and woman were married, but if it was a single parent household you could apply for assistance...and it was counted if one parent was in prison. So, yeah.
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