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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 8, 2016 9:44:26 GMT -5
I think Demon Balor should use a submission of some kind. I would suggest a crossface variation, but I feel like too many people are doing that already. Maybe something like a Koji clutch. Doesn't Sami Zayn do the Koji Clutch as one of his signature moves, or am I remembering wrong? It's a secondary finisher when he doesn't feel like using the Helluva Kick. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 8, 2016 9:54:47 GMT -5
Someone needs to do the Cobra Clutch. Not Balor, it doesn't really suit him, but I'd love if someone started using it again. It's just a fantastic finisher.  You can do it on anyone, you are extremely unlikely to injure yourself or them doing it, it looks good, has a nice name, and it can be countered out of, as well as into, making it great for planning around. It also gets both competitors' faces framed in-camera, which is always a plus in a submission move in terms of production. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 8, 2016 10:20:43 GMT -5
People seem to have it stuck in their head that Finn wrestles the same with or without face paint which is just bullshit. Watch his match with Joe at Takeover, Demon Finn does plenty of stuff that he doesn't do as normal Finn. My problem is that many of the times he puts on the paint, the situation doesn't require him to go into "demon mode". Do you really need to resort to becoming a demon to beat up a Male model? Or a No. 1 contenders match against a fellow babyface? Maybe the demon mode is slowly taking over, and he is powerless to stop it. |
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Post by TheFadedSpade on Jan 8, 2016 13:18:00 GMT -5
I love Coup De Grace as a finisher but I agree his moveset should change as The Demon. Why not use Bloody Sunday as his Demon finisher?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 8, 2016 13:22:18 GMT -5
It's not a horrible finisher. It just looks really lame and frankly, anticlimactic when he hits it. That sounds weird when talking about a move that involves a guy stomping on somebody else's chest from a height but there are too many times that it doesn't look impactful at all.
Finn Balor is a cornball though, I can't lie. I gave him a chance on top and I'm about done with him. He's so...boring, haha. I guess THE DEMON stuff is supposed to give him character but that's not enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 14:47:28 GMT -5
Because they're jealous that can bench press as much as John Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 15:32:13 GMT -5
When referring to this move out loud, make sure to intentionally mispronounce it "The coop deh gracey" to make people really uncomfortable and want to correct you.
While they're debating inside whether to correct you or not, order some nachos with extra jah lop en ohs.
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Post by keezy on Jan 8, 2016 15:37:06 GMT -5
I've always hated all variations of the double stomp, it's like a move a kid would do on someone in play wresting that ends in tears and angry parents.
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 8, 2016 19:19:58 GMT -5
This is literally my only concern with it. WWE is supposedly terrified of Finn wearing out before he reaches the main roster, so maybe not have him leaping off the top rope onto another dude's chest every time he's in the ring? I'm more worried for the guys taking it. One slight miscalculation on Finn's part and ribs could be broken or worse. A valid point, but to be fair there's not a lot of moves you couldn't say that about. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 8, 2016 19:50:00 GMT -5
Folks will change their mind on the move once he does it to people's crotches like Captain New Japan used to get.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 8, 2016 20:25:27 GMT -5
I'm more worried for the guys taking it. One slight miscalculation on Finn's part and ribs could be broken or worse. A valid point, but to be fair there's not a lot of moves you couldn't say that about. Also a valid point but the difference is most of those other moves look and sound better. The CDG reminds me of Orton's punt to the head. A move that would be devastating but looks soft because it has to be delivered delicately. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 20:35:08 GMT -5
It's something that would kill a person in real life so when people say it's lame I don't get it. IMO there's 3 things that make a wrestling move an A+++++ move.
1.) How realistic it looks, by that I mean "can I pull this out in a back alley fight?"
2.) The impact, "does this look damaging in real life?"
3.) How easy it looks, "is this not complex and gets straight to the point?"
That's something I can see killing a man, it's perfect.
Also when I mean "realistic" I mean something like the Rock Bottom compared to a Canadian Destroyer. You know the difference.
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Post by Juice on Jan 8, 2016 20:35:22 GMT -5
My problem is that many of the times he puts on the paint, the situation doesn't require him to go into "demon mode". Do you really need to resort to becoming a demon to beat up a Male model? Or a No. 1 contenders match against a fellow babyface? But why male models? Are you kidding? I literally just told you. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 8, 2016 21:33:28 GMT -5
My problem is that many of the times he puts on the paint, the situation doesn't require him to go into "demon mode". Do you really need to resort to becoming a demon to beat up a Male model? Or a No. 1 contenders match against a fellow babyface? But why male models? He was referencing Balor going full Demon just to wrestle Tyler Breeze in a number one contender match. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 0:57:48 GMT -5
It would be kinda funny if he didn't though wouldn't it? "This guy isn't worth putting on the paint for"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 1:06:07 GMT -5
It just has no impact. Sure, realistically it'd win a match and put a guy out. But the thing still looks like a stiff breeze, has no dramatic flair to it, and always takes so long to set up that it just has a, "That's it?" air to things when he wins with it. Hell, even when he did it off a ladder on Owens I didn't buy it putting him down.
Same logic really for why I didn't like when Morrison switched to using that running knee as his finisher. Sure, it's a lot more realistic and practical than Starship Pain (if only because he could actually hit the knee every once in awhile), but it just has no flash to it and is very underwhelming as a finish.
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Post by Juice on Jan 9, 2016 10:08:43 GMT -5
He was referencing Balor going full Demon just to wrestle Tyler Breeze in a number one contender match. And he was referencing zoolander lol |
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Post by héad.casé on Jan 9, 2016 10:36:05 GMT -5
Finn's double stomp looks better than Del Rio's. Finn gets great height on his jump before coming down. Alberto just looks like he's bouncing off you when he lands.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 9, 2016 12:23:42 GMT -5
Finn's double stomp looks better than Del Rio's. Finn gets great height on his jump before coming down. Alberto just looks like he's bouncing off you when he lands. Del Rio's got the worst finisher right now. I hate how the opponents have to hold themselves up to take it. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 9, 2016 15:03:18 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, Kaval never hurt anybody with his stomp in the WWE, and people had no problem taking it, because he rolled right out of it. And it fit his Bruce Lee persona.
For Balor, it's fine, but he crumples his legs and falls back, which doesn't look as good. But the main thing for me is how to do a spot where he misses. Dude's landing on his feet, so it'd have to be really tight to make it look like his opponent outsmarted him.
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