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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 10, 2016 9:38:18 GMT -5
His greatest legacy is his children. For all the fame, media circus and wackiness, the three of them turned out pretty normal.
His daughter said he would have performed at Mtv music awards in 2010 and was looking to pursue a University degree in the Arts after his 09 tours.
Had he lived, I think he would be a recluse but all the drama would have died down.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 10, 2016 10:30:44 GMT -5
Innocent until proven guilty means f*** all apparently. For the average person it does. Only the courts are required to hold people to that standard. Same as calling "Freedom of Speech" when tells another to shut the f*** up, it is not the duty of the average person to live by those standards. You may choose to live that if you feel like it but you do not have to. Wow, thank you. I was all set to say the same thing. All those constitutional freedoms, such as the aforementioned freedom of speech, are restrictions that apply to the government, not between private citizens. And yeah the innocent until proven guilty is simply a standard that applies to the criminal justice system. We are free to think whatever we choose to think, for good or ill.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2016 10:47:36 GMT -5
Even if he had another successful album, it wouldn't have mattered.
Invincible sold 10M copies and was still called a flop, only because it didn't match up the sales figures of his previous albums.
He was held to standards no one else was subject to. A victim of his own success.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 10, 2016 10:51:29 GMT -5
He would be digging at the top of his coffin trying to get out. That joke is so old it has grandchildren
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2016 10:59:04 GMT -5
He was never going to do those concerts in London even if he lived. In the rehersals, he looked so brittle I thought he might break in half. I'd have been surprised if he could manage just one show, let alone fifty. I think writing and producing for other artists might have been a better route for his career.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 10, 2016 12:54:18 GMT -5
He was never going to do those concerts in London even if he lived. In the rehersals, he looked so brittle I thought he might break in half. I'd have been surprised if he could manage just one show, let alone fifty. I think writing and producing for other artists might have been a better route for his career. MJ was never short of a penny. Owning Beatles back catalogue as well as his own generated him 80m plus a year. Some better wealth management and he would have not needed to work again. His autopsy came back showing a really healthy 50 year old body. Yes, he was thin, but medically fit. He needed to get rid of the enablers, yes men, leeches and hangers on to have lived longer.
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 10, 2016 13:46:29 GMT -5
I don't see him doing major tours. As far as putting out music, I could definitely see him going the Prince route and doing new projects and connecting with young, new artists. The biggest thing he would've needed to do was get out of LA & away from all the hanger ons who were around him.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 10, 2016 14:32:25 GMT -5
Think he'd jump onto other musical trends like EDM or Trap?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 10, 2016 15:20:26 GMT -5
Considering all the cops recently revealed was in his house...
Yeah, No. Homey would of been caught up legally.
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 10, 2016 15:49:20 GMT -5
Think he'd jump onto other musical trends like EDM or Trap? Can't see Mike on trap beats. He could've had some success if he went with the EDM route, but considering how many R&B singers went that route in 2010-2011 and have struggled commercially since, it would've been a big risk. His musical judgment was usually A+ (except when he passed over The Neptunes' production for Invincible) so I think he could've cooked up some hits (Butterflies still gets play and both versions of You Rock My World were jams) if given the opportunity and would be at or near the top of the charts without being sabotaged by his label.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 10, 2016 15:53:33 GMT -5
I see him going the Britney route, and getting a Vegas residency.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 10, 2016 16:03:18 GMT -5
I see him going the Britney route, and getting a Vegas residency. It's likely- but honestly just given how Jackson always was more childish and family-friendly (not the joke, just Jackson viewing himself as an overblown kid), I'd be more likely to assume he would make a deal with Disneyland or Walt Disney World to have a residency for concerts there instead of at a Vegas casino.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 10, 2016 16:48:02 GMT -5
Disney would agree to a residency, but only if he did it as Captain EO.
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Post by mattyc on Dec 10, 2016 18:44:32 GMT -5
From a purely selfish perspective, if MJ had lived I would've got to have seen him live. I had a ticket to the first scheduled night at the 02 Arena in 2009.
I don't think Michael Jackson would ever be getting a happy ending to his story. Let's just presume he managed to get through the majority of the 2009/2010 tour dates and the shows received rave reviews. Lets also presume that a follow up album also scored some chart hits. Whatever positive scenario I can presume, I just cannot see it lasting. I just don't see it going long before the new career high would come crashing down with fresh allegations.
And whether he would be deserving of it or not, in the World we are currently in, with the Bill Cosby scandal in America as well as the Jimmy Saville scandal that rocked the UK, More eyes than ever would be on Michael, just waiting for him to slip up in some way and/or some new dirt coming to light. I think the sceptical media/public attitudes to him would've only intensified by this point.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 10, 2016 22:23:34 GMT -5
It's funny how his death did more to save his reputation and fortunes than anything he could have done in life.
Speaking for myself, I do agree that he was reaching a point where he really needed to disappear. He was doing great by his kids by all accounts and getting away from the spotlight and fame may have helped. But I think we all know realistically that wouldn't happen as long as he was leaving. There would have been a demand to perform, to record, to be Poptimus Prime one more time. And at the same time the tabloids waiting for him to breathe wrong so they could snap a photo, sell another copy, make another dollar. Of course, there was also the accusations waiting for something, anything new to come up so the circus could come to town again and we could all stare, gawk, mock and pass judgement on the strange weird man and thank God we are better than he was. But please, make another album before we lock you up.
Bitter? Uh, yes, perhaps a little. I'm a huge fan, love him dearly and still miss him. I'm content with what I got, I need no more. Just a hope to see him restored to his heights someday and a chance to hear an original lick.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 10, 2016 22:42:08 GMT -5
Considering all the cops recently revealed was in his house... Yeah, No. Homey would of been caught up legally. Yes, this. Unless this has been discredited in some way.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 11, 2016 8:48:26 GMT -5
But in all honesty, Michael always said he wanted to get into the world of film and innovate it to a new level. Kind of makes you wonder what level he would've taken cinema to if he were alive today. I could see him selling the rights to his life story as a musical. Either on the Broadway stage or in film. The musicals based of The Four Seasons, Motown Records, Carol King, and Gloria Estefan were successful. Not to mention the films based on Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, and James Brown. On the other hand, I can see Jackson working on original songs for someone else's musical. Cyndi Lauper's songs for Kinky Boots won her a Tony. I can see Jackson wanting a peice of that. MJ's music videos were mini movies in themselves. A full movie with that creativity would be interesting. Moonwalker doesn't count. That was a really long Smooth Criminal video with other videos to pad out the time.
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Post by segaz on Dec 11, 2016 9:21:35 GMT -5
Ritt, why are you liking my post? I'm basically saying I think he's innocent. Even though I disagree with you on that aspect I find your post reasonable and accurate. My argument isn't so much about his guilt, but about him not being able to avoid being the Micheal Jackson that destroyed Micheal Jackson. I've liked posts before simply for the fact I respect the way the poster has laid out his argument, or even because it features a nice gif, it doesn't always mean I see complete eye to eye with them
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 11, 2016 9:49:02 GMT -5
I'd have liked him to do a stripped down, retro, Motown-sounding album. Proper old school stuff.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 11, 2016 14:17:12 GMT -5
I am not trying to start a flame war or troll at all with this post. However, it is something that has crossed my mind and I've read a lot of theories, seen videos, and some of them tend to make sense. I brought this up on a forum one time and was accused of being a troll and even got banned when other posters were allowed to call me names, troll me, and didn't receive any form of a banning or infraction to their account.
Of course there is a slim chance of it being remotely true. However, what if and it's a big IF, what if Michael faked his death? Would it be entirely possible or if it just another case of it being similar to Elvis, Tupac, and Jim Morrison?
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