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Post by wildojinx on Feb 1, 2016 17:17:45 GMT -5
I dont get why they dont just dub in the Motorhead version of Enter Sandman. AFAIK, they do own the rights to that version (as well as the rest of the stuff on the ECW cds. Hopefully they keep in the Bruce Dickinson version of The Zoo).
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Post by Juice on Feb 5, 2016 16:06:33 GMT -5
This online yet?
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Post by lws on Feb 6, 2016 3:34:26 GMT -5
I dont get why they dont just dub in the Motorhead version of Enter Sandman. AFAIK, they do own the rights to that version (as well as the rest of the stuff on the ECW cds. Hopefully they keep in the Bruce Dickinson version of The Zoo). whoever writes the song owns the copyright, regardless of the performer. getting a cover version would only cost them more money, because they'd have to pay metallica for the right to use the song in the first place AND motorhead for performing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 22:04:22 GMT -5
Awesome I've really been wanting this. Then gimme that 2009 ECW!
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Feb 7, 2016 2:20:05 GMT -5
Are we also going to get Roller Jam? lol
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Post by lws on Feb 10, 2016 4:31:24 GMT -5
the network just glitched like heck for me and it looked like all the hardcore tv was deleted aside from like 10 random episodes. but then it turned out actually a bunch more were added. now all thru 1998 is up and a lil 1999 it looks like.
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Post by JIMBOB on Feb 19, 2016 1:18:43 GMT -5
They are in the Vault under Hardcore TV titled "ECW Wrestling"
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Post by Paco on Feb 19, 2016 2:43:50 GMT -5
Ha! I tried to "heart" this tweet and found out I've been blocked by Joey Styles. My first block! Aww...
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 28, 2016 23:26:34 GMT -5
Anyone tell me where the RVD/Sabu 30 minute draw show is on the Network? I know it was from late 1999 but have had no luck zeroing in on the episode. I've wanted to see that match since it first aired but even then Heyman was bouncing checks to the local affiliates and as such I don't think that show aired here.
Those who think ECW peaked around 1996-97 need to watch some of this 1998-99 era stuff. It's some of the best wrestling ever.
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Post by Flash Burton on Mar 3, 2016 7:03:31 GMT -5
Up to the 25th November 2000 is up now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 14:16:02 GMT -5
Up to the 25th November 2000 is up now Are there still a lot missing in between?
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 5, 2016 23:22:45 GMT -5
There was one episode from June 2000 where Heyman went nuts and did a total shoot promo burying TNN for their treatment of ECW. I'm still shocked this ever made the air. Yes, it was something to behold but I do think it would be Exhibit A in terms of why no one else touched ECW with a 10 foot pole after TNN cancelled them.
The TNN show was actually pretty fun stuff aside from the Baldies crap that infested a lot of the episodes. I'll admit that after Justin Credible won the title the entire promotion basically went down the tubes, but we can also add the RVD injury to that as well. It was too much for Heyman to deal with at once: World champ quitting the company, injury to the #1 star, bad TV deal, bad finances, etc.
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Post by cjh on Mar 5, 2016 23:31:58 GMT -5
There was one episode from June 2000 where Heyman went nuts and did a total shoot promo burying TNN for their treatment of ECW. I'm still shocked this ever made the air. Yes, it was something to behold but I do think it would be Exhibit A in terms of why no one else touched ECW with a 10 foot pole after TNN cancelled them. The TNN show was actually pretty fun stuff aside from the Baldies crap that infested a lot of the episodes. I'll admit that after Justin Credible won the title the entire promotion basically went down the tubes, but we can also add the RVD injury to that as well. It was too much for Heyman to deal with at once: World champ quitting the company, injury to the #1 star, bad TV deal, bad finances, etc. Heyman's promo aired on TNN without sound and a scroll on screen from TNN making note of the censoring, so he ended up airing it on Hardcore TV. I noticed that on the January 7, 2000 episode, Joel Gertner's rhyme during the opening with Joey Styles is uncensored on the Network. It was bleeped by TNN when it originally aired. TNN also aired that episode's closing without sound and in a small, picture-in-picture box so that they could air a commercial for another show, but on the Network, it airs normally.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 6, 2016 11:09:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I was watching the TNN show and heard Heyman's rant, since I was at a hotel in Asheville coming back from Myrtle Beach at the time. It wouldn't have been the syndicated Hardcore TV show.
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Post by cjh on Mar 6, 2016 11:28:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I was watching the TNN show and heard Heyman's rant, since I was at a hotel in Asheville coming back from Myrtle Beach at the time. It wouldn't have been the syndicated Hardcore TV show. TNN definitely censored it. The whole thing aired but with no sound and a scroll across the bottom of the screen. The scroll basically said (paraphrasing), "Ignore this man. We think he's been put through one too many tables."
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 6, 2016 16:08:48 GMT -5
Did Heyman do multiple rants then? Because I'm fairly sure the one I recall was him ranting on TNN.
Speaking of episodes I hadn't seen, I watched the April 1999 tag title change where due to convoluted reasons RVD faced D'Von and it was a chaotic mess with Bubba attacking refs, the Impact Players ran in, etc. I wanted to watch that show since it was yet another episode that never aired in Louisville due to Heyman not paying the station (or whatever it was). In fact around that time ECW was scheduled to run the Louisville Gardens but the onsale came and went with no actual tickets being sold, and it was canceled. I still don't know why.
I might be wrong but was that goofy tag schmozz where the Dudleys hit the top rope 3D on RVD the only match Van Dam lost in the entire year of 1999? I know he held the TV title the entire year and can't think of any other tag matches he lost.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 6, 2016 17:31:53 GMT -5
As far as I know they did the one on TNN which was censored, the scroll on the bottom of the screen made a dig at Heyman, and then on Hardcore TV they aired it uncensored.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 15, 2016 13:53:02 GMT -5
I feel like watching old ECW. Debating if I should start sometime in 1995 or from the first episode I ever saw, which was in 1996 when Beulah revealed she was pregnant with Tommy's kid.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 15, 2016 14:17:09 GMT -5
I dont get why they dont just dub in the Motorhead version of Enter Sandman. AFAIK, they do own the rights to that version (as well as the rest of the stuff on the ECW cds. Hopefully they keep in the Bruce Dickinson version of The Zoo). I dont get why they dont just dub in the Motorhead version of Enter Sandman. AFAIK, they do own the rights to that version (as well as the rest of the stuff on the ECW cds. Hopefully they keep in the Bruce Dickinson version of The Zoo). whoever writes the song owns the copyright, regardless of the performer. getting a cover version would only cost them more money, because they'd have to pay metallica for the right to use the song in the first place AND motorhead for performing it. Alright, neither of these are quite how music copyright/licensing works. For every song that's ever been recorded, there's two parts of ownership: the master recording and the publishing. The Publishing is the elements of the song that make-up what the song is: composition, lyrics, etc. The Master Recording is the actual audio of a song itself. In most cases, the artist who recorded the original song owns the publishing and the master recording is owned by either just the artist or some combination of the artist and the label it was recorded for. In order to use a song in any sort of broadcast capacity (television, film, streaming, public performance) you have to get permission from both the publishing owner and the master owner. In the vast, vast majority of cases, it's MUCH cheaper to just get the publishing rights to a song and have another band's recording of it. That's why you've never heard the actual music of The Beatles in a commercial, just covers that were sound-alikes. The ECW album was an album of largely covers for a reason: cost. That's why in the late-90s there were so many knock-off compilations of wrestling music with covers of themes/hard rock staples, it's a quick cash-in. That's why for the ECW videos officially released on Pioneer, they licensed the covers from the ECW albums to dub over. Think of it as ECW paying Metallica permission to use their words, but not commissioning them to actually play for them. That's why in 1998 it was cheaper to pay Motorhead to cover a Metallica song than it was to pay Metallica outright for the use of something they get an obscene amount of money for every time it's used. Make sense? Ultimately, whenever you use a song anywhere, you need permission and to give royalties (of which are negotiated) to the publishing holder. That's why even if WWE owns the footage of, say, Limp Bizkit performing at Wrestlemania, they can't air it as they don't own the composition. There's also no way any establishing recording artist on a major label can just let any entity use their music entirely for free either, it's a system that's somewhat out of their hands. Even in cases where a charity wants to use the publishing of an artist for their commercials, the publishing companies have a fixed lowest rate they can go to (often around $200) so that they can still get paid next-to-nothing for the song to be used. Otherwise the publishing industry doesn't exist. That's why it's exceedingly rare you hear "Don't Go Messin With a Country Boy" on any WWE television. The industry didn't pay much attention to publishing in the 80s, so when WWF commissioned three industry songwriters to make the song, they still owned the publishing. To this day, and you can look this up on discogs, they still have it and so everytime the WWE wants to use it, they have to pay three non-in-house talents. Further complicating things with the case of ECW is how much misinformation out there exists, as well as how hazy their relationships to labels got in the mid-90s during a time when broadcasting music laws were more lenient. People echo the Sandman shoot where he claims ECW could use "Enter Sandman" because it was under a certain amount of time/a documentary style production/safe harbor laws, etc. All of that is outright false. Truthfully, ECW never paid/cleared any music in those early years. Heyman did eventually develop a relationship with a few labels like Geffen, Matador and Tommy Boy, which lead to specific music being heard and the occasional cross-promotion. There also were different laws about music videos then, which were seen by the industry more-so as commercials for albums, so ECW intercutting, say, the annual "November Rain" video was free advertising. In the late-2000s, all of that changed and now any time you air a music video you have to pay royalties, further adding to the "MTV doesn't play videos" stigma and why they credit artist names in the corner of the screen when you hear them played during their reality shows. Finally, the Heyman story about Tommy Boy Records and 2 Cold Scorpio is an outright falsehood. At no point whatsoever did Tommy Boy have any rights for "Whoomp! There It Is," a fact that I actually contacted the label about and factchecked after hearing it on the Paul Heyman blu-ray. I'm not quite sure how monetarily the labels/ECW compensated each other during this time, nor if it was a cross-promotional thing (you have random ECW wrestlers cameo in different label's videos, like Saturn in that House of Pain clip) or if they both went with a "live and let live philosophy," but the whole story about how Tommy Boy was give ECW a hundred or so each week for 2 Cold Scorpio to come out to "Whoomp There It Is" is entirely untrue. Hope this helped.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Mar 15, 2016 19:53:16 GMT -5
Ha! I tried to "heart" this tweet and found out I've been blocked by Joey Styles. My first block! Aww... IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE HE'S SICK OF YOU FANS WHO BUY INTO THIS CRAP! THIS SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT CIRCUS!
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