When should Baron Corbin win the NXT title?

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

I'd like a homegrown NXT champion. But I don't want it to be a heel who we're supposed to boo just because they're homegrown.

[Raskovnik]

I would like to see him toss around that manlet Balor for it and become the next champion. I'm a huge Corbin fan though. He's the one guy I have big hopes for on the main roster.

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

as soon as he changes every facet and atom of his character and style then the big dog should be ready to run with it and take it to new dimensions

[ruzan]

Feb 8, 2016 13:51:52 GMT -5 Raskovnik said:

I would like to see him toss around that manlet Balor for it and become the next champion. I'm a huge Corbin fan though. He's the one guy I have big hopes for on the main roster.

Same here! He has a legit asshole attitude and he's easy to hate, plus his in-ring work has really improved this past year. I'm a fan!

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I'd have put it on him ages ago. With Breeze gone he's pretty easily my favorite guy in NXT and the one I'm most invested in.

[Bub (BLM)]

Feb 8, 2016 13:51:41 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I'd like a homegrown NXT champion. But I don't want it to be a heel who we're supposed to boo just because they're homegrown.

I still don't know where this myth came from. Enzo & Cass are arguably the most over act on the roster, and they're homegrown. People initially hated Corbin because he was being pushed like your typical McMahon hoss. It has nothing to do with where he came from.

[Surfer Sandman]

Hopefully never.

Joe was right. Corbin had no right to be in the ring with Joe and Sami.

[Professor Chaos]

When I eat a moonpie on the moon.

[Bo Rida]

Who was at fault for his lousy match against Apollo at Takeover?
Serious question, I still don't know what went wrong.

If it was largely his fault then he shouldn't get the belt until it's clear that won't happen again. At the moment he gives the feeling that he's somebody that needs the right opponent which isn't ideal in a champion.

However that match was structured so weirdly that much of the blame probably lies with the agent that put it together. As I said I can't work out what went wrong, maybe Corbin wasn't to blame at all.

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Feb 8, 2016 14:14:52 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Feb 8, 2016 13:51:41 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I'd like a homegrown NXT champion. But I don't want it to be a heel who we're supposed to boo just because they're homegrown.

I still don't know where this myth came from. Enzo & Cass are arguably the most over act on the roster, and they're homegrown. People initially hated Corbin because he was being pushed like your typical McMahon hoss. It has nothing to do with where he came from.

And either way a heel who has talent and actually elicits boos should be embraced no matter what the reason.

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Feb 8, 2016 14:37:59 GMT -5 Bo Rida said:

Who was at fault for his lousy match against Apollo at Takeover?
Serious question, I still don't know what went wrong.

If it was largely his fault then he shouldn't get the belt until it's clear that won't happen again. At the moment he gives the feeling that he's somebody that needs the right opponent which isn't ideal in a champion.

However that match was structured so weirdly that much of the blame probably lies with the agent that put it together. As I said I can't work out what went wrong, maybe Corbin wasn't to blame at all.

I haven't seen the match, but sometimes, two talented people just don't click. He may've had a bad match, sure, but on the whole Corbin usually brings it.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

I'm not a fan of Finn, so I'd have given it to Corbin months ago. Honestly, I'd have him be a heel who's tough and a hoss but cheats not because he needs to, but because he likes to, and he shit-talks whatever indie fed you started in along the way.

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From his debut, I never understood WWE's fascination with this guy. The dude is a walking dud to me. Squash matches at first weren't anything interesting at all, no personality beyond "INTESNSE" and a look that would have been cool in 2002.

And honestly, if Corbin is the best "WWE Homegrown" talent that they can develop, then they need to stop and re-build their entire developmental program from the ground up because they flat out suck at it. Its no wonder they're buying up all the big names they can from the indies/international, they've FINALLY realized they have zero clue how to actually create a superstar from scratch. Maybe it hit them, "Oh yeah, why start from the ground up when there are dozens of people out there who have already learned to wrestle and developed a following for themselves that we can exploit?" I never understood their perverse fascination with trying to "make" a superstar. Sure its worked a couple times in the past, but its still a backwards ass way to do things.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

I think he's a case of where he'll probably never win the NXT title but will def be WWE champ on the main roster somewhere down the line.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Feb 8, 2016 14:44:37 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

From his debut, I never understood WWE's fascination with this guy. The dude is a walking dud to me. Squash matches at first weren't anything interesting at all, no personality beyond "INTESNSE" and a look that would have been cool in 2002.

And honestly, if Corbin is the best "WWE Homegrown" talent that they can develop, then they need to stop and re-build their entire developmental program from the ground up because they flat out suck at it. Its no wonder they're buying up all the big names they can from the indies/international, they've FINALLY realized they have zero clue how to actually create a superstar from scratch. Maybe it hit them, "Oh yeah, why start from the ground up when there are dozens of people out there who have already learned to wrestle and developed a following for themselves that we can exploit?" I never understood their perverse fascination with trying to "make" a superstar. Sure its worked a couple times in the past, but its still a backwards ass way to do things.

Thank you. WWE are perfectly aware that the best talents are made on the indies yet they are very unwilling to completely give their developmental system an overhaul and tell their guys to stop doing the basic five moves of doom, wrestling for the hard camera stuff.

Their idea with "making" a star is a good idea in theory, but in practice, it has rarely worked. If they just allowed the homegrown talents to go all out and adapt as needed the way that the Indy guys have over the years, then they might be better, more well rounded workers, and the smarks would like and respect them more. Even a guy like Corbin, who has come a long way and is pretty decent for what he is, looks substandard in comparison to Samoa Joe, Sami Zayn, and others, and that can be boiled down to the "WWE Style".

["Gentleman" AJ Powell]

Feb 8, 2016 13:51:52 GMT -5 Raskovnik said:

I would like to see him toss around that manlet Balor for it and become the next champion. I'm a huge Corbin fan though. He's the one guy I have big hopes for on the main roster.

I'd be okay with him beating Balor for it. Dude's been great since his heel turn, he's just one of those dudes that can't be a face. He's improved a shit-ton in ring, and his mic work's decent (Although it's not vital, as proved by Balor)

Dude's definitely gonna do well on the main roster. Could see him being the next Randy Orton, dude who's the thorn in the side of the face champion, always floats around the upper mid-card, but can be believably given the title.

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Feb 8, 2016 14:44:37 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

From his debut, I never understood WWE's fascination with this guy. The dude is a walking dud to me. Squash matches at first weren't anything interesting at all, no personality beyond "INTESNSE" and a look that would have been cool in 2002.

And honestly, if Corbin is the best "WWE Homegrown" talent that they can develop, then they need to stop and re-build their entire developmental program from the ground up because they flat out suck at it. Its no wonder they're buying up all the big names they can from the indies/international, they've FINALLY realized they have zero clue how to actually create a superstar from scratch. Maybe it hit them, "Oh yeah, why start from the ground up when there are dozens of people out there who have already learned to wrestle and developed a following for themselves that we can exploit?" I never understood their perverse fascination with trying to "make" a superstar. Sure its worked a couple times in the past, but its still a backwards ass way to do things.

It's a perfectly logical way to do it. They shouldn't rely on it exclusively, no, but with someone born and bred in WWE, it lets them really hammer in that their approach is the outright best way to do it, there's less risk of existing longterm wear and tear than with indy guys who've been doing it for ages, and, it's shady but it's beneficial, people who've only ever known the WWE system are a lot less likely to revolt or to be willing to go elsewhere and will do everything they're told for fear of losing the only wrestling job they've ever known.

[Allie Kitsune]

Feb 8, 2016 15:28:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Feb 8, 2016 14:44:37 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

From his debut, I never understood WWE's fascination with this guy. The dude is a walking dud to me. Squash matches at first weren't anything interesting at all, no personality beyond "INTESNSE" and a look that would have been cool in 2002.

And honestly, if Corbin is the best "WWE Homegrown" talent that they can develop, then they need to stop and re-build their entire developmental program from the ground up because they flat out suck at it. Its no wonder they're buying up all the big names they can from the indies/international, they've FINALLY realized they have zero clue how to actually create a superstar from scratch. Maybe it hit them, "Oh yeah, why start from the ground up when there are dozens of people out there who have already learned to wrestle and developed a following for themselves that we can exploit?" I never understood their perverse fascination with trying to "make" a superstar. Sure its worked a couple times in the past, but its still a backwards ass way to do things.

It's a perfectly logical way to do it. They shouldn't rely on it exclusively, no, but with someone born and bred in WWE, it lets them really hammer in that their approach is the outright best way to do it, there's less risk of existing longterm wear and tear than with indy guys who've been doing it for ages, and, it's shady but it's beneficial, people who've only ever known the WWE system are a lot less likely to revolt or to be willing to go elsewhere and will do everything they're told for fear of losing the only wrestling job they've ever known.

You do realize that the majority of fans here will interpret that as "churn out unquestioning, unthinking little corporate soldiers"...

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Feb 8, 2016 15:31:53 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Feb 8, 2016 15:28:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

It's a perfectly logical way to do it. They shouldn't rely on it exclusively, no, but with someone born and bred in WWE, it lets them really hammer in that their approach is the outright best way to do it, there's less risk of existing longterm wear and tear than with indy guys who've been doing it for ages, and, it's shady but it's beneficial, people who've only ever known the WWE system are a lot less likely to revolt or to be willing to go elsewhere and will do everything they're told for fear of losing the only wrestling job they've ever known.

You do realize that the majority of fans here will interpret that as "churn out unquestioning, unthinking little corporate soldiers"...

Well, yeah, that's partially the point. Like I said, it's shady but it's good business.

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Feb 8, 2016 15:28:55 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Feb 8, 2016 14:44:37 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

From his debut, I never understood WWE's fascination with this guy. The dude is a walking dud to me. Squash matches at first weren't anything interesting at all, no personality beyond "INTESNSE" and a look that would have been cool in 2002.

And honestly, if Corbin is the best "WWE Homegrown" talent that they can develop, then they need to stop and re-build their entire developmental program from the ground up because they flat out suck at it. Its no wonder they're buying up all the big names they can from the indies/international, they've FINALLY realized they have zero clue how to actually create a superstar from scratch. Maybe it hit them, "Oh yeah, why start from the ground up when there are dozens of people out there who have already learned to wrestle and developed a following for themselves that we can exploit?" I never understood their perverse fascination with trying to "make" a superstar. Sure its worked a couple times in the past, but its still a backwards ass way to do things.

It's a perfectly logical way to do it. They shouldn't rely on it exclusively, no, but with someone born and bred in WWE, it lets them really hammer in that their approach is the outright best way to do it, there's less risk of existing longterm wear and tear than with indy guys who've been doing it for ages, and, it's shady but it's beneficial, people who've only ever known the WWE system are a lot less likely to revolt or to be willing to go elsewhere and will do everything they're told for fear of losing the only wrestling job they've ever known.

I can see that. But I just meant, why spend so much time/energy/money training someone up when there are guys out there paying out of pocket to train and work the indies to refine their craft.

Regarding the long-term wear, they've just got to be faster about scooping guys up. Waiting 7+ years, THAT'S the problem to me.

But yeah, I know what you mean, it breeds loyalty in a way that someone who doesn't understand you can make a living in other promotions. But its not a good way to create good wrestlers/entertainers.