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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 22:19:12 GMT -5
Barber has become one of my favorite races on the schedule. Last few years have been great. Also, Pagenaud kicking several kinds of ass this year. 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. I felt bad for Graham at the end. Just a bad spot to be in; it cost him the win. Still, the guy did fantastic today. Also, my boy JPM went from last to finish 5th. I love it, Maggle! Barber last year was when I started to come around on Graham. It's like he's been on a whole other level trying to keep up with the Chevys, and he is outclassing the rest of the Honda drivers in the process. Was never much of a Montoya fan over the years, but watching him brute force his way through races has been a lot of fun.
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Post by Burst on Apr 25, 2016 6:47:45 GMT -5
What's everyone's take on the rumblings in Indycar about reverting to a spec aero kit for next year?
Even though the Honda and Chevy kits have almost converged on what works, I think it would be a huge step back and just sort of embody the defeatist attitude that's been seemingly prevalent among Indycar fans and management over the last number of years. I also don't get the owners kvetching about aerokit costs (who all seem to be Honda teams) when reverting to a spec aerokit (and presumably a new one, not the original Dallara kit) would be their third new kit in as many years considering all the changes Honda had to make this year.
Reverting all the way back to the Dallara kit would be a huge mistake IMO even if the racing was supposedly better with it, because honestly, it stinks of giving up. From what I've heard the plans for a new chassis in 2018-2019 are already pretty much toast, and the thought of reverting to the 2012-spec Dallara conjures up way too many memories of the IR-03/IR-07 completely overstaying its welcome.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Apr 25, 2016 12:13:11 GMT -5
What's everyone's take on the rumblings in Indycar about reverting to a spec aero kit for next year? Even though the Honda and Chevy kits have almost converged on what works, I think it would be a huge step back and just sort of embody the defeatist attitude that's been seemingly prevalent among Indycar fans and management over the last number of years. I also don't get the owners kvetching about aerokit costs (who all seem to be Honda teams) when reverting to a spec aerokit (and presumably a new one, not the original Dallara kit) would be their third new kit in as many years considering all the changes Honda had to make this year. Reverting all the way back to the Dallara kit would be a huge mistake IMO even if the racing was supposedly better with it, because honestly, it stinks of giving up. From what I've heard the plans for a new chassis in 2018-2019 are already pretty much toast, and the thought of reverting to the 2012-spec Dallara conjures up way too many memories of the IR-03/IR-07 completely overstaying its welcome. It's definitely worry-some, but the Aero kits this year are almost identical anyways. So far, the two strongest Honda teams are SPM and RLL. Hinch,Graham, and their teams are getting every little thing they can out of their machines. What's Andretti's excuse? I mean, for all intents and purposes, their Honda's factory team in Indycar; yet, they can't figure it out. Seems like it's more a case of Andretti can't figure it out and wants to change the rules instead of actually figuring out how to thrive within them.
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Post by Error on Apr 25, 2016 17:46:42 GMT -5
NASCAR sent out a memo today to teams saying that they must have all 5 lug nuts on their wheels at all times.
- If they are caught without all 5 on all wheels during pre-race it is considered an unimproved adjustment, it must be corrected immediately and the team will start at the rear of the field.
- Tires intended for race use without all five lug nuts glued to the wheel results in a written warning and must be corrected immediately.
- If found post-race, the first offense is a minimum of $20,000 fine and crew chief suspension for one race and probation. Multiple offenses will result in escalated penalties.
Penalties are as follows for NASCAR XFINITY and Camping World Truck Series teams.
NXS: Post-race (P3 penalty) First offense: minimum of $10,000 fine, crew chief suspension for one race and probation.
NCWTS: Post-race (P3 penalty) First offense: minimum of $5,000 fine, crew chief suspension for one race and probation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 18:32:04 GMT -5
What's everyone's take on the rumblings in Indycar about reverting to a spec aero kit for next year? Even though the Honda and Chevy kits have almost converged on what works, I think it would be a huge step back and just sort of embody the defeatist attitude that's been seemingly prevalent among Indycar fans and management over the last number of years. I also don't get the owners kvetching about aerokit costs (who all seem to be Honda teams) when reverting to a spec aerokit (and presumably a new one, not the original Dallara kit) would be their third new kit in as many years considering all the changes Honda had to make this year. Reverting all the way back to the Dallara kit would be a huge mistake IMO even if the racing was supposedly better with it, because honestly, it stinks of giving up. From what I've heard the plans for a new chassis in 2018-2019 are already pretty much toast, and the thought of reverting to the 2012-spec Dallara conjures up way too many memories of the IR-03/IR-07 completely overstaying its welcome. I think it's some shit. I also think it's some shit that they are locked on to one chassis, one engine, one aerokit. Instead of choosing just the Dallara when they were looking to get rid of the last car, just have every chassis available, as long as they exist and someone can pay for it. Have Dallara competing against Swift and Lola and BAT and the DeltaWing. And if Dallara wanted to go the aerokit route, and some other company wanted to get involved that way, fantastic. Let Honda and Chevy compete on engines, but if someone else wants to get involved, great! The general thought is that the money isn't there to open up the regulations, but I also think that one of the reasons that the money isn't there is because the regulations aren't open. If there's no reason to invest in competition, technology, innovation, then of course companies won't invest. I think the thought that Honda needs things to be equalized so they can compete is some shit. Chevrolet did a better job. Suck it up, take your hits, and do better next time, or get out. Consider that Graham Rahal is bringing the fight to Chevy with Honda, and is really only getting beat by Penske and Ganassi, and the complaints from Andretti are hollow. I also think that the idea of racing being made "better" is some shit. The goal of racing is to beat the other guys to the line. Passing doesn't equal a good race, lack of passing doesn't equal a bad race. I've enjoyed the last several 500s a lot but leading the race basically meant nothing at any point. It SHOULD be difficult to pass. Not impossible, but difficult. Five/six drivers swapping the lead over x number of laps dilutes the excitement of someone setting up for a perfect pass and making it stick. Racing is entertainment but it shouldn't be manufactured entertainment. The thrill of it is watching teams, drivers, and constructors working to be that much faster.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 29, 2016 2:53:59 GMT -5
This is Red Bull going out to track test their canopy screen concept in Russia, most likely prompted due to the deaths of Jules Bianchi and IndyCar's Justin Wilson in the last couple of years... Already looks better than whatever the hell Ferrari were testing earlier in the year.
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Post by Gecko on Apr 29, 2016 4:36:12 GMT -5
Do they get window wipers for that thing, cos visibility could become a problem either in the rain or just because of bug splatter.
Not that the Halo looked like it was any better, in terms of driver visibility.
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Post by cool on Apr 29, 2016 21:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Gecko on Apr 30, 2016 7:55:17 GMT -5
Lewis Hamilton seemingly can't catch a break at the moment, He's not taking part in Q3 due to the same power issues that he had in China.
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Post by Clover Star on Apr 30, 2016 11:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 30, 2016 12:43:11 GMT -5
Man, if it weren't for bad luck, Hamilton would have no luck at all. It's only the insane pace of the Mercedes that's actually keeping him close... In any other car, you may as well be handing Rosberg the driver's title before the summer break.
Reminds me of the hideously slow start Nigel Mansell had in 1991, where he dropped four straight wins to Ayrton Senna at the start of the season (with only one second place in Monaco and three retirements in USA, Brazil and San Marino to show for it) and took until Round 7 in France to get a win. That said, he got close after that, only officially losing out mathematically in the second-last round in Japan.
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Post by Burst on Apr 30, 2016 17:20:42 GMT -5
I knew a last lap crash was going to happen from how much beating and banging was going on, but a few more observations:
The caution immediately prior to overtime I feel could've been skipped, as the car that spun out (didn't see who it was), pretty much righted himself and drove off right as the flag came out. Seemed almost a gratuitous setup for overtime but at least it wasn't 'debris'.
I thought Logano got creamed a lot harder than he did during that last crash. Seeing it live, it looked brutal, but on the replays he amazingly didn't hit head on all that hard, and the t-bone was more to the rear quarter panel than anything. Good to see him walk away.
Re: Sadler winning, I know there's a reason racing back to the caution went away, but I feel like if something happens in the final or almost final scoring loop, they should just let the finish line count. It makes things even more anticlimactic than usual for this sort of thing.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 30, 2016 19:43:42 GMT -5
I knew a last lap crash was going to happen from how much beating and banging was going on, but a few more observations: The caution immediately prior to overtime I feel could've been skipped, as the car that spun out (didn't see who it was), pretty much righted himself and drove off right as the flag came out. Seemed almost a gratuitous setup for overtime but at least it wasn't 'debris'. I thought Logano got creamed a lot harder than he did during that last crash. Seeing it live, it looked brutal, but on the replays he amazingly didn't hit head on all that hard, and the t-bone was more to the rear quarter panel than anything. Good to see him walk away. Re: Sadler winning, I know there's a reason racing back to the caution went away, but I feel like if something happens in the final or almost final scoring loop, they should just let the finish line count. It makes things even more anticlimactic than usual for this sort of thing. I thought the rule was that you have to keep pace during a yellow, even if it is for a short time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 21:16:16 GMT -5
Honestly would have been more surprised if it had actually happened.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 1, 2016 6:53:25 GMT -5
Almost time for a race start in Russia... Hopefully it won't be boring as sin like the last two Russian races have.
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Post by JTH on May 1, 2016 6:59:46 GMT -5
They need to put a race back in Watkins Glen. Now they can use it as a test this year to see attendance numbers and decide whether to bring it back to the schedule next year.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 1, 2016 7:05:54 GMT -5
And we're away in Russia... Vettel in contact early and he spins into the wall and out of the race at the next turn!
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Post by Gecko on May 1, 2016 7:06:17 GMT -5
Crashes, crashes everywhere!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 1, 2016 7:08:10 GMT -5
The Red Bull and Force India teams have all their cars damaged and in the pits for repairs. So has Gutierrez in the Haas.
Hulkenberg in fact is out of the race, and so is Haryanto in the Manor.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 1, 2016 7:12:46 GMT -5
Looked like three separate accidents there... Kvyat into Vettel into Ricciardo, Gutierrez into a Force India into Haryanto, and Vettel again by someone at the next turn.
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