Was the tombstone pile driver banned when..

[mrbananagrabber]

Kane did it to Linda?

Just asking cos it's curious that the move is banned by all wrestlers except for Kane and the Undertaker. I wonder how they worked that out, like "OK..you two can do it. But that's it. No-one else." Why did they get the pass?

And if it WAS banned, how much faith must Vince have in Kane that he'll let his freaking wife take a move that broke Austin's neck..on the FLOOR?

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

The Tombstone was taken out of Taker's more for the sake of his knees, and less about the phasing out of neck bumps.

As far as the Linda Tombstone goes, Linda didn't even get close to the ground. It was the safest move she could take.

[Thaal Sinestro]

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

[mrbananagrabber]

Mar 10, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5 Thaal Sinestro said:

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

Well, with most moves isn't it supposed to LOOK like they're landing on their heads? I always thought that's why it was banned because Austin actually DID get dropped on his head.

[Ringmaster]

Mar 10, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5 Thaal Sinestro said:

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

When Taker first did it, He nearly killed people with it, He switched it up to something way more safe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwHgqQYlGWQ

See the first one he does in this video

[Sparkybob]

Mar 10, 2016 20:42:37 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

Mar 10, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5 Thaal Sinestro said:

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

Well, with most moves isn't it supposed to LOOK like they're landing on their heads? I always thought that's why it was banned because Austin actually DID get dropped on his head.

Well that's the reason iirc that every Taker/Austin match since that Taker never used that move.

Also Taker doesn't attempt the tombstone on big guys like Big Show because of risk of their head being too close to the mat.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Mar 10, 2016 21:13:55 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Mar 10, 2016 20:42:37 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

Well, with most moves isn't it supposed to LOOK like they're landing on their heads? I always thought that's why it was banned because Austin actually DID get dropped on his head.

Well that's the reason iirc that every Taker/Austin match since that Taker never used that move.

Also Taker doesn't attempt the tombstone on big guys like Big Show because of risk of their head being too close to the mat.

I remember Mick Foley pointing out in his first book that a big flaw in WWE constantly feeding Taker big monsters that were equal to his size or bigger was that he couldn't even hit his most over move on them because they were just too big.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Mar 10, 2016 21:16:41 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Mar 10, 2016 21:13:55 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Well that's the reason iirc that every Taker/Austin match since that Taker never used that move.

Also Taker doesn't attempt the tombstone on big guys like Big Show because of risk of their head being too close to the mat.

I remember Mick Foley pointing out in his first book that a big flaw in WWE constantly feeding Taker big monsters that were equal to his size or bigger was that he couldn't even hit his most over move on them because they were just too big.

The tallest guys Taker did the move on was Kane and Nash. Watching WM 14 when they first face. Taker landed a nasty one on Kane where you can clearly see Kane head hit the mat. The biggest in weight for Taker I remember seeing was Mark Henry but I kept wanting to say he did Vader as well like Kane did.

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Mar 10, 2016 23:20:23 GMT -5 Can you afford to pay me, Gah said:

Mar 10, 2016 21:16:41 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I remember Mick Foley pointing out in his first book that a big flaw in WWE constantly feeding Taker big monsters that were equal to his size or bigger was that he couldn't even hit his most over move on them because they were just too big.

The tallest guys Taker did the move on was Kane and Nash. Watching WM 14 when they first face. Taker landed a nasty one on Kane where you can clearly see Kane head hit the mat. The biggest in weight for Taker I remember seeing was Mark Henry but I kept wanting to say he did Vader as well like Kane did.

He did use it on Vader at some point in 1997. I think it was in the lead up to Canadian Stampede, or it may have even been on that show.

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Well for one The Tombstone Piledriver is the signature move for both Undertaker and Kane so even if anyone is allowed to do one, they can't because it's their move. Two Undertaker and Kane are safe veteran workers who have done the move for at least a decade before the pile driver was banned. Three the tombstone Piledriver is way safer than a regular Piledriver. It's easier to control the guy and it's easier to fake it with the knees making it look like the guys head has hit down the crowd vs. The wide open crotch space you see with a regular Piledriver.

I'm not talking about any weird jumping or sit down variations or in Owens case a jumping sit down varation.

Plus I would probably feel safer if someone like Undertaker or Kane gave me the tombstone than say someone like Cesaro due to their reputations despite Cesaro being a safe strong excellent worker.

["Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly]

Mar 10, 2016 20:33:19 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

The Tombstone was taken out of Taker's more for the sake of his knees, and less about the phasing out of neck bumps.

As far as the Linda Tombstone goes, Linda didn't even get close to the ground. It was the safest move she could take.

Well, she also had Kane's 12 ft penis to use as a cushion to soften the impact.

[TGM]

God that Owen Piledriver was jusy awful. I recall him using a standard tombstone on Bret Hart at Wrestlemania X and I see no reason he'd change to that ultra dangerous version unless he was specifically asked to by Austin (who performed the exact same spot with Chono, with similar results).

[Mozenrath]

Mar 11, 2016 4:11:01 GMT -5 TGM said:

God that Owen Piledriver was jusy awful. I recall him using a standard tombstone on Bret Hart at Wrestlemania X and I see no reason he'd change to that ultra dangerous version unless he was specifically asked to by Austin (who performed the exact same spot with Chono, with similar results).

He did it from time to time, I think, but that version really only seems safe for someone like Rikishi or Bam Bam, who had much bigger thighs, so there was less chance of the head landing. I guess it's why you usually only see big dudes do that version.

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Mar 10, 2016 20:42:37 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

Mar 10, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5 Thaal Sinestro said:

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

Well, with most moves isn't it supposed to LOOK like they're landing on their heads? I always thought that's why it was banned because Austin actually DID get dropped on his head.

It went into the banned list after Undertaker, making his denim wearing return from injury reserve, spiked Triple H with the Tombstone and knocked him loopy. After that he started to use the Last Ride Powerbomb as his finisher. He didn't start back using it until his feud with HBK.

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I doubt Vince would have been heartbroken if Kane had an "Accident".

[thetower52]

Mar 11, 2016 4:41:33 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

Mar 10, 2016 20:42:37 GMT -5 mrbananagrabber said:

Well, with most moves isn't it supposed to LOOK like they're landing on their heads? I always thought that's why it was banned because Austin actually DID get dropped on his head.

It went into the banned list after Undertaker, making his denim wearing return from injury reserve, spiked Triple H with the Tombstone and knocked him loopy. After that he started to use the Last Ride Powerbomb as his finisher. He didn't start back using it until his feud with HBK.

Undertaker started using the tombstone again as soon as he returned as the dead man at wrestlemania 20.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Mar 11, 2016 4:11:01 GMT -5 TGM said:

God that Owen Piledriver was jusy awful. I recall him using a standard tombstone on Bret Hart at Wrestlemania X and I see no reason he'd change to that ultra dangerous version unless he was specifically asked to by Austin (who performed the exact same spot with Chono, with similar results).

I would think he wouldn't want to do the knee Tombstone because that is Undertaker's move, whereas the sit down variation is at least somewhat different from what Taker uses.

Austin probably didn't want to take that because of how he injured Chono with the move, so it's baffling as to why Owen was deadset on using the move to begin with.

[TGM]

Mar 11, 2016 5:37:20 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Mar 11, 2016 4:11:01 GMT -5 TGM said:

God that Owen Piledriver was jusy awful. I recall him using a standard tombstone on Bret Hart at Wrestlemania X and I see no reason he'd change to that ultra dangerous version unless he was specifically asked to by Austin (who performed the exact same spot with Chono, with similar results).

I would think he wouldn't want to do the knee Tombstone because that is Undertaker's move, whereas the sit down variation is at least somewhat different from what Taker uses.

Austin probably didn't want to take that because of how he injured Chono with the move, so it's baffling as to why Owen was deadset on using the move to begin with.

Owen did the traditional tombstone a few times though. No idea why he'd suddenly do the sitout version as surely both he and Austin should know how dangerous it was.

[lemonyellowson]

Mar 10, 2016 21:04:53 GMT -5 Ringmaster said:

Mar 10, 2016 20:34:00 GMT -5 Thaal Sinestro said:

Do Taker and Kane even drop guys on their head with that move?

When Taker first did it, He nearly killed people with it, He switched it up to something way more safe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwHgqQYlGWQ

See the first one he does in this video

That first one....... Jesus Christ!

[mrbananagrabber]

Mar 11, 2016 4:59:52 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

I doubt Vince would have been heartbroken if Kane had an "Accident".

.....OK.