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Post by mrbananagrabber on Apr 5, 2016 16:02:07 GMT -5
Something that I thought about during the women's triple threat at Mania; there's no DQ, apparently. So Cole said a couple of times, and repeated when the women were trying to grab the rope to break the submission hold. It's pointless, it won't do anything.
So why do it? Does everyone follow the same set of rules or what? The commentators know the rules but the people in the ring don't?
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 5, 2016 16:03:59 GMT -5
Something that I thought about during the women's triple threat at Mania; there's no DQ, apparently. So Cole said a couple of times, and repeated when the women were trying to grab the rope to break the submission hold. It's pointless, it won't do anything. So why do it? Does everyone follow the same set of rules or what? The commentators know the rules but the people in the ring don't? Force of habit. Even in No DQ matches, the ref would count for breaks out of habit. |
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Post by 67 more on Apr 5, 2016 16:10:25 GMT -5
It may be no-DQ but it's not falls count anywhere. So the rope break means if you tap you won't lose, but does mean your opponent can keep wrenching on you. That's how I always took it.
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Post by cjh on Apr 5, 2016 16:20:07 GMT -5
It may be no-DQ but it's not falls count anywhere. So the rope break means if you tap you won't lose, but does mean your opponent can keep wrenching on you. That's how I always took it. Exactly. Grabbing/touching the ropes negates a tap out, the same way getting your foot/hand on the rope would negate having your shoulders pinned. The person applying the hold can't win the match as long as the other wrestler is touching the rope. |
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Post by Twincest on Apr 5, 2016 16:32:15 GMT -5
It may be no-DQ but it's not falls count anywhere. So the rope break means if you tap you won't lose, but does mean your opponent can keep wrenching on you. That's how I always took it. Exactly. Grabbing/touching the ropes negates a tap out, the same way getting your foot/hand on the rope would negate having your shoulders pinned. The person applying the hold can't win the match as long as the other wrestler is touching the rope. You tap when you want to quit. Why tap while holding the ropes and thereby preventing it from counting? |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 5, 2016 16:38:29 GMT -5
Better yet, let's get Tables Matches straight, because I wouldn't have blinked an eye if they had actually ended the match with the Usos missing their splashes on the Dudleys on Raw even though it wasn't an offensive move. The Dudleys getting pissed over the premature bell ringing was hilarious though.
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Post by cjh on Apr 5, 2016 16:44:57 GMT -5
Exactly. Grabbing/touching the ropes negates a tap out, the same way getting your foot/hand on the rope would negate having your shoulders pinned. The person applying the hold can't win the match as long as the other wrestler is touching the rope. You tap when you want to quit. Why tap while holding the ropes and thereby preventing it from counting? I was explaining why the person applying the hold lets go. Winning is no longer possible as long as the opponent is clearly grabbing/touching the rope, even in a no-DQ match. You won't be disqualified for keeping the hold applied, but you can't win by submission or pinfall until you get the opponent away from the ropes. |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 5, 2016 16:51:43 GMT -5
You tap when you want to quit. Why tap while holding the ropes and thereby preventing it from counting? I was explaining why the person applying the hold lets go. Winning is no longer possible as long as the opponent is clearly grabbing/touching the rope, even in a no-DQ match. You won't be disqualified for keeping the hold applied, but you can't win by submission or pinfall until you get the opponent away from the ropes. So keep wrenching in the move until your opponent is in unspeakable agony then drag their near-limp body away from ropes and do it again? |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 5, 2016 22:29:49 GMT -5
I was explaining why the person applying the hold lets go. Winning is no longer possible as long as the opponent is clearly grabbing/touching the rope, even in a no-DQ match. You won't be disqualified for keeping the hold applied, but you can't win by submission or pinfall until you get the opponent away from the ropes. So keep wrenching in the move until your opponent is in unspeakable agony then drag their near-limp body away from ropes and do it again? This |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 5, 2016 22:37:57 GMT -5
I was explaining why the person applying the hold lets go. Winning is no longer possible as long as the opponent is clearly grabbing/touching the rope, even in a no-DQ match. You won't be disqualified for keeping the hold applied, but you can't win by submission or pinfall until you get the opponent away from the ropes. So keep wrenching in the move until your opponent is in unspeakable agony then drag their near-limp body away from ropes and do it again? In no dqs why doesn't the heel just stomp.the shit out of the other guy's dick? Because it's pro wrestling and that would be boring |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 22:43:31 GMT -5
The no DQ thing in triple threats is one of the stupidest parts about this company. It's about as bad as the "grab the white string when you tag" thing when half the guys don't do it. Yes, there should be rope breaks, yes there should be KOs and yes there should be DQs.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 5, 2016 22:45:38 GMT -5
Exactly. Grabbing/touching the ropes negates a tap out, the same way getting your foot/hand on the rope would negate having your shoulders pinned. The person applying the hold can't win the match as long as the other wrestler is touching the rope. You tap when you want to quit. Why tap while holding the ropes and thereby preventing it from counting? It could potentially trick your opponent into thinking they won and letting go of the hold. I could see them getting a screwy finish out of that sometime. |
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Post by oneday on Apr 5, 2016 22:51:41 GMT -5
Well, you can drag yourself out of the ring breaking the submission
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 5, 2016 22:56:03 GMT -5
The no DQ thing in triple threats is one of the stupidest parts about this company. It's about as bad as the "grab the white string when you tag" thing when half the guys don't do it. Yes, there should be rope breaks, yes there should be KOs and yes there should be DQs. I actually think the default No DQ thing is actually a good idea in theory, because there's no BS about whether the match should continue as a one on one, or if the victim of the rule breaker is declared a winner, or anything like that. I just wish they would stop doing or teasing rope breaks in these matches, especially since they aren't even necessary to move the match along because anything a rope break would do would be accomplished by having the third person make the save. |
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Post by saintpat on Apr 5, 2016 22:56:41 GMT -5
So keep wrenching in the move until your opponent is in unspeakable agony then drag their near-limp body away from ropes and do it again? This If it's a triple threat, sooner or later the third person will probably prevent that from happening. |
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Post by Chiral on Apr 5, 2016 23:05:02 GMT -5
You tap when you want to quit. Why tap while holding the ropes and thereby preventing it from counting? It could potentially trick your opponent into thinking they won and letting go of the hold. I could see them getting a screwy finish out of that sometime. I think I remember Ric Flair doing it to Jericho at the 2002 Summerslam. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 5, 2016 23:20:13 GMT -5
You guys are missing it. What it means is, "this match is gonna have a f*** finish and that's why the ref allowed it."
No idea why Jericho could shove the ref and then pin AJ on the same show though, especially after shoving Lil' Naitch to a DQ weeks before.
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Post by sonofblaine on Apr 6, 2016 0:33:59 GMT -5
You could use the ropes for leaverage to break the hold.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 6, 2016 0:38:37 GMT -5
No idea why Jericho could shove the ref and then pin AJ on the same show though, especially after shoving Lil' Naitch to a DQ weeks before. I can give them a pass on that, considering they came up with the latter on the fly to cover for Neville's leg getting exploded. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 6, 2016 0:59:59 GMT -5
No idea why Jericho could shove the ref and then pin AJ on the same show though, especially after shoving Lil' Naitch to a DQ weeks before. I can give them a pass on that, considering they came up with the latter on the fly to cover for Neville's leg getting exploded. It is true. That's why the original finish happened but doesn't explain why you can suddenly push a ref. |
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