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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 15, 2016 16:41:57 GMT -5
You know how Sting interfered in that match to start a program with HHH?
Should have had him interfere in Lesnar/Taker instead. Saved the Streak so HE could end it.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 15, 2016 16:45:50 GMT -5
No. A match that was never promised between two men with a combined age of almost 110 is far from inexcusable.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 15, 2016 16:47:06 GMT -5
I just never understood why this was such a dream match. Cuz they both have scary entrances? They are very different characters. Sting being the vigilante that targets the Authority and has to face Triple H is arguably a better storyline than anything they could've done with Taker. They just executed it poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 16:49:52 GMT -5
I just never understood why this was such a dream match. Cuz they both have scary entrances? They are very different characters. Sting being the vigilante that targets the Authority and has to face Triple H is arguably a better storyline than anything they could've done with Taker. They just executed it poorly. They are both "THE" Characters
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 15, 2016 16:50:59 GMT -5
Sting/HHH makes more sense even if it was the flaming shits. Sting is the ultimate good guy and was the biggest star to have never signed for WWE going against the future owner of WWE and ultimate bad guy.
I don't know what the logic is for Sting/Taker. They're both "goth" characters?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 17:00:14 GMT -5
You know how Sting interfered in that match to start a program with HHH? Should have had him interfere in Lesnar/Taker instead. Saved the Streak so HE could end it. Disagree strongly with this. So Brock just says "aw shucks" and lets it happen? You do this and Brock would have to wrestle Sting and that would be downright irresponsible. Then you have to book a year of these old painted up coots talking shit for a year to build to a match that would certainly not live up to expectations.
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Post by Stu on Apr 15, 2016 17:06:55 GMT -5
And just who would have been the appropriate winner?
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Apr 15, 2016 17:10:16 GMT -5
I just never understood why this was such a dream match. Cuz they both have scary entrances? They are very different characters. Sting being the vigilante that targets the Authority and has to face Triple H is arguably a better storyline than anything they could've done with Taker. They just executed it poorly. The same reason as Hogan vs Flair in the 80s and early 90s: two major icons from their respective promotions who had never crossed paths, had their careers defined by being a top guy for the WWF or NWA/WCW, and now had a once in a lifetime opportunity to be in the same place at the same time.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 15, 2016 17:14:23 GMT -5
I just never understood why this was such a dream match. Cuz they both have scary entrances? They are very different characters. Sting being the vigilante that targets the Authority and has to face Triple H is arguably a better storyline than anything they could've done with Taker. They just executed it poorly. The same reason as Hogan vs Flair back in the early 90s: two major icons from their respective promotions who had never crossed paths, had their careers defined by being a top guy for the WWF or NWA/WCW, and now had a once in a lifetime opportunity to be in the same place at the same time. Sounds quite a bit like Sting vs Triple H to me. Hogan and Flair is not a good comparison. These were not just a couple of top guys. These were THE top guys who left everyone else in the dust. That was like Tyson vs Holyfield. It had to happen to define the era (and Hogan/Flair did happen in a really good match in WCW). Sting vs Taker is like Riddick Bowe vs Lennox Lewis. Sure I wouldve liked to have seen it, but it doesn't detract from history that it didn't happen.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 15, 2016 17:14:56 GMT -5
I would have loved to see it but it's not inexcusable. But... Taker was coming off the loss of the streak and looking rather terrible in the match due to the concussion the year before and I could see them not wanting to do a marquee match like that if they weren't sure Taker would be able to still go (unfounded as he looked about a million times better in the match against Bray but still hindsight and all that) and Brock was still harping being the only guy to beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania so it still really wouldn't have been a surprise for Taker to win as other people beating Taker dimishes Brock's accomplishment and makes it seem eh only beat him because Taker is too old to compete at his former level. But Sting was obviously shouting from the rooftops that it was the match he wanted (and the match the majority of fans did too) so from that perspective they probably should have done it. I just never understood why this was such a dream match. Cuz they both have scary entrances? They are very different characters. Sting being the vigilante that targets the Authority and has to face Triple H is arguably a better storyline than anything they could've done with Taker. They just executed it poorly. The same reason as Hogan vs Flair back in the early 90s: two major icons from their respective promotions who had never crossed paths, had their careers defined by being a top guy for the WWF or NWA/WCW, and now had a once in a lifetime opportunity to be in the same place at the same time. Technicaly Ric vs. Hogan happeened in the WWF... they broadcast a few on MSG network... they were... underwhelming. Maybe with the pomp and circumstance of Wrestlemania it might have come off better but... they didn't seem to click in those house show matches.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 15, 2016 17:16:52 GMT -5
And just who would have been the appropriate winner? That's another issue with "dream matches"; it's almost impossible to book a winner because neither participant looks good by losing. Sure, you could do the whole "look good in defeat" or whatever, but as someone who's not convinced "looking good in defeat" is a real thing in general, I doubt you could pull it off effectively.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 15, 2016 17:19:06 GMT -5
And just who would have been the appropriate winner? That's another issue with "dream matches"; it's almost impossible to book a winner because neither participant looks good by losing. Sure, you could do the whole "look good in defeat" or whatever, but as someone who's not convinced "looking good in defeat" is a real thing in general, I doubt you could pull it off effectively. it absolutely is a thing as long as it is actually followed up on. Just looking strong even though you lose and going on to do nothing afterwards doesn't help anybody. Which is where the WWE usually screws it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 17:21:20 GMT -5
And just who would have been the appropriate winner? That's another issue with "dream matches"; it's almost impossible to book a winner because neither participant looks good by losing. Sure, you could do the whole "look good in defeat" or whatever, but as someone who's not convinced "looking good in defeat" is a real thing in general, I doubt you could pull it off effectively. No it would have been easy to choose the winner, it would be the Undertaker. It is his yard and wrestlemania would be his show. No reason to have Sting to win.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 15, 2016 17:23:46 GMT -5
Also, Sting is losing no matter what. There's no outcome where he wins here. At Wrestlemania, Taker is the most untouchable property on the roster, even after having the streak ended. At least with HHH there was a chance he could win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 17:34:14 GMT -5
It's obvious what the fans want... they chanted "Undertaker" at Sing's HOF ceremony. These arguments people are making for HHH vs Sting like it left open a possibility for Sting to win or it fit Sing's character better to go against an authority figure, they don't really matter. The fans want Sting vs Undertaker and we don't care how it goes down or what happens just get the 2 in the ring together but no.. can't do that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 15, 2016 17:50:18 GMT -5
Well, Sting's done now. At least for his health's sake I hope he is.
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Post by trollrogue on Apr 15, 2016 18:02:37 GMT -5
It's obvious what the fans want... they chanted "Undertaker" at Sing's HOF ceremony. These arguments people are making for HHH vs Sting like it left open a possibility for Sting to win or it fit Sing's character better to go against an authority figure, they don't really matter. The fans want Sting vs Undertaker and we don't care how it goes down or what happens just get the 2 in the ring together but no.. can't do that. I can imagine Baron Corbin (or someone who really needs a better gimmick like Brawn Strowman) getting Sting's 'permission' to wear the facepaint and carry the bat in the trenchcoat. That guy should be the one to retire Taker at his last 'Mania match.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Apr 15, 2016 18:29:34 GMT -5
in 1998, this match would probably destroy the ratings.
18 YEARS AGO!!
In 2016 it would be embarrassing to watch.
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Apr 15, 2016 18:42:13 GMT -5
A missed opportunity, to say the least.
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Post by Error on Apr 15, 2016 18:53:51 GMT -5
No I am fine with it. Wanted HHH vs. Sting more (and I believe Sting did as well), got it and loved it. No desire for Taker/Sting.
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