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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 16, 2018 12:00:18 GMT -5
the Shadow is the villain or evil force, it does not have to be a bad guy with the exact same powers. hero vs. bad guy with same powers is just overplayed in superhero movies
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 16, 2018 12:01:09 GMT -5
Just got back. I really enjoyed it. Not my favorite Marvel movie, but there wasn’t much wrong with it. It was visually beautiful and the acting was top notch. Yeah, that's my stance on it. It's not my favourite but it's nothing to do with anything in the movie itself because, overall, it's really good. Also, I'm more excited about Shuri meeting with Tony Stark than almost anything else in Infinity War. The snark that'll go on would be the only thing that could beat Thanos and the Gauntlet.
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Post by Shai on Feb 16, 2018 12:53:17 GMT -5
I loved it. Thor:Ragnarok is still my favorite MCU movie but this easily slid into third behind the first GotG. I need Shuri to meet Tony and Peter like now. {Spoiler}I wonder if Shuri has anything to do with Tony's new suit because the way the BP suit forms looks a hell of a lot like how the new Iron Man suit in the IW trailer.
Also SHURI FIXED BUCKY!!!
And Sebastian Stan is a lying liar who lied and said he wasn't in BP.
Shuri is probably my new favorite MCU character now. I loved her so much.
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Post by chrom on Feb 16, 2018 13:02:53 GMT -5
Made 25.2 million last night doubling the record Deadpool set for thursday previews in February and has made almost 50 million worldwide already
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:51:51 GMT -5
Hero vs Shadow side is a standard feature of the monomyth though. Gonna get that in Hero's Journey stories way more often than not. Yeah, but my problem is how many times Marvel did it. Like, you can basically point at the movie's villain and go "He's exactly like the hero except he made the wrong choice in life". Also, it must REALLY suck to be an actor for the villain in this franchise. No matter how good you were (even in no-win situations like Malekith); your character dies and you can't appear in any more MCU movies.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2018 13:56:32 GMT -5
the Shadow is the villain or evil force, it does not have to be a bad guy with the exact same powers. hero vs. bad guy with same powers is just overplayed in superhero movies I know that, but it can be. I'll admit Killmonger didn't really need a Panther suit.
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Post by Stu on Feb 16, 2018 13:57:13 GMT -5
Just got to the theater and there's a long line. I don't usually see that at opening day matinees in my area Also, it must REALLY suck to be an actor for the villain. No matter how good you were (even in no-win situations like Malekith); your character dies and you can't appear in any more MCU movies. I really hope you didn't already see it and are spoiling the film for the rest of us right now
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Feb 16, 2018 13:58:32 GMT -5
Terrific movie! Easily ranks among the best comic book movies in the MCU and pretty well up there among comic movies in general. I will post my thoughts in spoilers. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Pros:
- The tone is a bit more serious. Marvel movies have become a bit too comedic for my liking as of late and that couldn't be any more evident than with Thor: TDW. I like that the action was more hand-based and realistic. Not to say that Black Panther didn't have its share of comedy because it certainly did.
-Erik Killmonger. Everything about him. One of the most sympathetic villains ever and you wanted to root for him but he was also a crazy and sadistic bastard.
- The diversity and political message. For anyone complaining about Black Panther being some sort of 'SJW wet dream' or whatever, the movie simply followed the established premise of Black Panther lore that has existed for 50 years and updated things a bit for a more contemporary audience. Nothing different than what Marvel has always done. I'm sure people will point to Blade or Spawn being earlier examples of black superhero movies (and they're right, this hype about Black Panther being the 'first' black superhero film is reaching) but Black Panther is the first black superhero film under the super popular MCU and is also a film with not just a black hero, but also black sidekicks, supporting characters, and villains. This is important.
- The visuals. Wakanda looked amazing and the high-tech wonders of the country transformed the once primitive Earth MCU (in comparison to the worlds of Asgard or the GotG) into something of an equal with their cosmic counterparts and that's an important thing to take note of with the Infinity War looming.
Cons:
- The continued issues with MCU villains. They killed off an awesome antagonist in Klaw but to also take out Killmonger? Blasphemy. This is a serious issue Marvel has yet to address and even though they now have the rights to Magneto, Dr. Doom, Galactus, etc.. I still can't say for sure how confident I feel.
- Not enough set-up for Infinity War. This movie supposedly takes place right before the events of Infinity War. I know that solo movies usually take place within a much smaller scale than the Avengers movies but I feel like there should have been something setup in the post credits because Bucky's reveal was a bit predictable and underwhelming. But all in all an excellent Marvel film. I give this an A-
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:59:53 GMT -5
Also, it must REALLY suck to be an actor for the villain. No matter how good you were (even in no-win situations like Malekith); your character dies and you can't appear in any more MCU movies. I really hope you didn't already see it and are spoiling the film for the rest of us right now Actually, I wasn't trying to spoil anything; I was referring to in general the MCU villain death toll that already exists.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 16, 2018 16:45:36 GMT -5
My top 3 is still
1. Thor (First one) 2. Civil War 3. Winter Soldier
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Post by Fade on Feb 16, 2018 17:09:00 GMT -5
I want to see it but ima avoid it for a week or two cause all this hoopla is driving me insane. I saw Chris Stukmanns review (which are the only I trust these days..) and one of the criticisms actually made me excited: That it's not the action that stays with you but the story and characters.
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Post by Stu on Feb 16, 2018 17:35:07 GMT -5
Just got back from this film and let me start by saying the women definitely stole the show. Anyone who doesn't like strong women won't enjoy Black Panther. The place was busy for an 11 a.m. matinee and I ended up sitting in the very back. Lots of families present with some kids making noise the entire time. The film definitely used cliche tropes and some elements from previous MCU films. But that didn't mean it was necessarily a bad movie. I'd say it was on par with what we've come to expect from Marvel Studios, and I mean that in a good way. It may not have been on the level of Winter Soldier, but was definitely far from Thor: Dark World or Iron Man 3. It served its purpose and did its job well, but won't be remembered as a top film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Overall, I give it a B+. Now let's discuss the mid/end-scenes (What? Did you really think we wouldn't get any?) {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The first one was pretty basic and simply advance the idea that Wakanda would no longer hide itself from the rest of the world. No harm, no foul. But Sebastian Stan will definitely get shit for telling everyone he wasn't in the film. If anything, it wouldn't have had made sense for us not to get a Bucky appearance. So I'm glad they totally went there. But dammit, where the hell is the last Infinity Stone? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? Regarding trailers, I only got four: Star Wars Death Wish Game Night That movie about some kid who keeps switching bodies and forces the girl to make out with different people every day :-P
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 16, 2018 18:24:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But dammit, where the hell is the last Infinity Stone? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I suspect Infinity War will focus on the search for the final Infinity Stone to keep it out of Thanos' clutches, probably with him wiping out a good chunk of the heroes in the third act to finally get to it and setting up Avengers 4, which will focus on the regrouping and taking him down.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 16, 2018 20:09:21 GMT -5
Excellent excellent film.
Best thing about the movie? No shock here, the cast all nailed their roles. When you assemble a cast like this movie did, you know you're getting excellent performances.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 16, 2018 20:25:38 GMT -5
I loved it. Thor:Ragnarok is still my favorite MCU movie but this easily slid into third behind the first GotG. I need Shuri to meet Tony and Peter like now. {Spoiler}I wonder if Shuri has anything to do with Tony's new suit because the way the BP suit forms looks a hell of a lot like how the new Iron Man suit in the IW trailer.
Also SHURI FIXED BUCKY!!!
And Sebastian Stan is a lying liar who lied and said he wasn't in BP.
Shuri is probably my new favorite MCU character now. I loved her so much. For whatever it's worth... {Spoiler}Sebastian Stan wasn't in the movie. He was in the end credits. :Please
Cop-out, I know, but Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Liz Olsen probably weren't credited for Winter Soldier either. I want to see it but ima avoid it for a week or two cause all this hoopla is driving me insane. I saw Chris Stukmanns review (which are the only I trust these days..) and one of the criticisms actually made me excited: That it's not the action that stays with you but the story and characters. Jeremy Jahns said the same thing; the fight scenes are cool and all, but it's the world and it's history, it's people, and it's politics that will stick with you. Also, the score was amazing.
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Post by saneiac on Feb 16, 2018 20:46:10 GMT -5
I come away disappointed.
Pros: It looked terrific. The actors were uniformly very good, particularly Michael B. Jordan (which shouldn't surprise anyone who has seen him in anything else)
Cons: Completely dull paint-by-numbers plot. No surprises. No gasp out loud moments. You know how when you talk about a movie, you always bring up "I loved the part when..."? "I loved the part when Hulk ragdolled Loki." "I loved the part when the DMV was run by sloths." You know. This movie doesn't have any "I loved the part when...". Nothing standout. Nothing memorable. Just flat from start to finish. As others have said here, Marvel has beaten to death the villain with exactly the same powers as the hero but evil trope
I didn't dislike the movie, but I would have no interest in ever watching it again
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 17, 2018 1:06:18 GMT -5
Pride and power. Those are the words filling my brain at the moment. I feel I have just witnessed something truly important. More than a Marvel, but a moment. A race, a culture, a people now has something for themselves. And it is shared with all, not just kept. Black Panther is good. So good. Honestly, it’s in the top three of all time great Marvels for me. Better than Guardians 1 for certain. Just a question on if Winter Soldier and Iron Man can stay ahead. We shall see.
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Post by No One on Feb 17, 2018 5:30:58 GMT -5
Superhero vs. Evil Reflection of Superhero is a trope as old as superhero comics themselves. Hell, in the Dark Knight movies, Ra's Al-Ghul, Bane, and even Joker can fit into this trope. Though in Ra's' case it's more Batman being a Good Reflection of him. True, but at this point Marvel have gone back to the well far too many times. Black Panther is good, one of their best, but as with a lot of Marvel's efforts it plays things a little too safe. It seems to be working for them.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 17, 2018 5:33:06 GMT -5
What was Stan Lee's Cameo this time
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 17, 2018 6:04:46 GMT -5
True, but at this point Marvel have gone back to the well far too many times. Black Panther is good, one of their best, but as with a lot of Marvel's efforts it plays things a little too safe. It seems to be working for them. Never said it wasn't. Hell, they've got my money. Watched every MCU release in theatres except for Spider-Man, but if ever there was a movie where they could afford to take a little more risk, it was this one.
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