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Post by kendrickisking on Jun 2, 2016 10:31:57 GMT -5
Wow, the roster on paper really doesn't seem as stacked as it seems. It's missing NXT ( Nakamura , Joe , Balor , Itami ( Injured) , American Alpha , The Revival , Gargano and Ciampa.)
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Post by CM Parish on Jun 2, 2016 10:32:38 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus, no matter what gets said on here, are most certainly A- level.
They're not on the same level as Baron Corbin and Neville thats for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 10:36:45 GMT -5
Seems mostly right although there's a few things I'd change.
- Cesaro should work his way up to being A- level these next few months and eventually an A level main eventer on SD by WM season next year. I'm assuming he'll hit that brand and given who he is and what he can do, he can be the perfect guy to work his way up after some great programs. - Big Show and Kane being A- is ridiculous to me but I see why. I mean they're big dudes who are utility main eventers so yeah. If you go over one of them then yeah you need to be main eventing the next month. - Sheamus went from being a potential candidate for The Guy to being a B level star, lord. I don't love Sheamus but put that guy in the A- level. He doesn't need to face main eventers but guys like Zayn can feud with him and they'd tear it up. - Mark Henry needs to be B level shit if not A- level. No questions asked. That's a former world champion right there. Turn him heel and he'd put on a great feud with a Zayn, Cesaro or face Owens. - There needs to be an A- level so we can put Paige and Dana Brooke on there. Dana's gotten some wins but she's a lackey right now.
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Post by keezy on Jun 2, 2016 10:42:27 GMT -5
Kevin Owens down a level Rusev down a level Dudleys up a level Paige down a level I'd like Owens and Rusev to be in the categories they're listed but I don't think they're accurate. Dudleys are definitely higher than the second group, and I don't know why they're listed otherwise. Paige is essentially a jobber now so she's definitely B level. Dudleys lose 3 minute matches to an elbow drop and a splash from a man much smaller than them, it's safe to say they're enhancement guys at this point.
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Post by Error on Jun 2, 2016 11:18:43 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus, no matter what gets said on here, are most certainly A- level. They're not on the same level as Baron Corbin and Neville thats for sure. Sheamus I agree but Del Rio has been firmly in midcard since returning. I cannot think of him doing anything even upper midcard other than the return victory over Cena.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2016 11:20:18 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus, no matter what gets said on here, are most certainly A- level. They're not on the same level as Baron Corbin and Neville thats for sure. Sheamus I agree but Del Rio has been firmly in midcard since returning. I cannot think of him doing anything even upper midcard other than the return victory over Cena. For real, even Sheamus has been de-elevated big time since losing the world title. I wouldn't even consider him A- level.
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Post by Reflecto on Jun 2, 2016 11:54:07 GMT -5
So, he thinks Dana Brooke is already "championship contender" tier? Didn't she basically debut on TV straight from injury? Hell of a nudge... On the plus side, between Dana Brooke and Paige's being put too high for Group A, that IS a big positive for the women's division as a whole, just because there's living proof that the women's roster has been built up enough so you can actually argue that they deserve an A/B/C level placement like the men's roster has gotten. Switching the roster there to: A LEVEL (championship contenders) Becky Lynch Charlotte Natalya Sasha Banks B LEVEL (rotation members/women's midcard) Alicia Fox Dana Brooke Emma Naomi Paige Tamina C LEVEL (everyone else) Eva Marie Lana (part time) Rosa Mendes (inactive) Summer Rae ...would make far more sense than just an A/B level like the tag division got.
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Post by CM Parish on Jun 2, 2016 12:26:04 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus, no matter what gets said on here, are most certainly A- level. They're not on the same level as Baron Corbin and Neville thats for sure. Sheamus I agree but Del Rio has been firmly in midcard since returning. I cannot think of him doing anything even upper midcard other than the return victory over Cena. Sheamus I agree but Del Rio has been firmly in midcard since returning. I cannot think of him doing anything even upper midcard other than the return victory over Cena. For real, even Sheamus has been de-elevated big time since losing the world title. I wouldn't even consider him A- level. I guess what I meant to say was either could easily be placed into a title feud without it being ridiculous. Even if they have been de-elevated a bit, they're still more than credible enough.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2016 12:28:46 GMT -5
Sheamus I agree but Del Rio has been firmly in midcard since returning. I cannot think of him doing anything even upper midcard other than the return victory over Cena. For real, even Sheamus has been de-elevated big time since losing the world title. I wouldn't even consider him A- level. I guess what I meant to say was either could easily be placed into a title feud without it being ridiculous. Even if they have been de-elevated a bit, they're still more than credible enough. That's kinda what being a midcarder is though. It's not like they are in any major storylines or feuds (i.e. being on the fringe of the main event/upper midcarder) but at the same time, they could be elevated to that level in a pinch. I get what you are saying and I agree but I think that's also the point Dave was making by ranking them where they were.
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Post by superchamp on Jun 2, 2016 15:24:29 GMT -5
I think the E think of Bray Wyatt as a main event talent. I'd swap him with Kevin Owens. Nothing else really stands out to me as all that arguable imo
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Post by Jobes on Jun 2, 2016 15:24:35 GMT -5
Bray should be in group A. Always booked strong....![](https://i.imgur.com/MY0LwvA.png)
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 2, 2016 15:49:20 GMT -5
Bray should be in group A. Always booked strong....![](https://i.imgur.com/MY0LwvA.png) You can probably only count on one hand the amount of times he's been pinned on TV after three years on the main roster. Yes I would consider that to be booked strong especially compared to the majority of the roster.
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Post by Jobes on Jun 2, 2016 15:50:38 GMT -5
You can probably only count on one hand the amount of times he's been pinned on TV after three years on the main roster. Yes I would consider that to be booked strong especially compared to the majority of the roster. I can count on one hand the feuds he's won. It's totally killed his credibility.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 2, 2016 16:15:42 GMT -5
You can probably only count on one hand the amount of times he's been pinned on TV after three years on the main roster. Yes I would consider that to be booked strong especially compared to the majority of the roster. I can count on one hand the feuds he's won. It's totally killed his credibility. Just barely though and he still has a winning record when it comes to feuds. Came out on top against Kane, Bryan, Jericho, Ambrose, and Ryback while getting the short end against Cena, Reigns, and Taker. 5-3 in feuds for a heel is not bad at all especially with the three L's coming against the three strongest booked guys in the company after Brock whom Bray got the better of every time during their aborted feud, laying him out on a couple of occasions and orchestrating his elimination from the Royal Rumble. When Brock got his "revenge" it was at the expense of Harper with Bray running away and escaping unscathed. I think the whole Wyatt Family is booked so weak complaint is blown out of proportion especially when it comes to Wyatt himself. There's tons of guys on the roster who have much bigger problems when it comes to booking and credibility. I thought the only time they came off bad was when they lost to Ryback, Big Show, and Kane which admittedly was a dumb decision that made no sense. Having them lose to two guys in their late 40's and a midcarder really made them look like a second rate group. If it led to a renewed Ryback push I maybe would've understood, but instead he had a rushed heel turn and jobbed out Kalisto and is now out of the company making it more baffling. They made sure though that Bray wasn't in the match, so again it didn't really hurt him that much.
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Post by Jobes on Jun 2, 2016 16:23:14 GMT -5
I can count on one hand the feuds he's won. It's totally killed his credibility. Just barely though and he still has a winning record when it comes to feuds. Came out on top against Kane, Bryan, Jericho, Ambrose, and Ryback while getting the short end against Cena, Reigns, and Taker. 5-3 in feuds for a heel is not bad at all especially with the three L's coming against the three strongest booked guys in the company after Brock whom Bray got the better of every time during their aborted feud, laying him out on a couple of occasions and orchestrating his elimination from the Royal Rumble. When Brock got his "revenge" it was at the expense of Harper with Bray running away and escaping unscathed. I think the whole Wyatt Family is booked so weak complaint is blown out of proportion especially when it comes to Wyatt himself. There's tons of guys on the roster who have much bigger problems when it comes to booking and credibility. I thought the only time they came off bad was when they lost to Ryback, Big Show, and Kane which admittedly was a dumb decision that made no sense. Having them lose to two guys in their late 40's and a midcarder really made them look like a second rate group. If it led to a renewed Ryback push I maybe would've understood, but instead he had a rushed heel turn and jobbed out Kalisto and is now out of the company making it more baffling. They made sure though that Bray wasn't in the match, so again it didn't really hurt him that much. I don't like Wyatt. Not a fan, at all. But his booking is the shits.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 3, 2016 11:09:55 GMT -5
Zack Ryder-X Level (Never push, even if everyone quits/is injured/captured by Sentinels)
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Post by horseface on Jun 3, 2016 16:25:47 GMT -5
Agreed with the S category of Undertaker, Lesnar, Cena, and Reigns. And Rock. Maybe HHH as borderline. They won't even have those guys selling to lower tiers most of the time.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 3, 2016 19:27:59 GMT -5
This is how I'd say the roster is:
MALE ROSTER
A+ Level (protected main eventers) Brock Lesnar (part time) John Cena Roman Reigns The Rock (part time) The Undertaker (part time) Triple H (part time)
A Level (main eventers) AJ Styles Dean Ambrose Randy Orton Seth Rollins
A- Level (fringe main eventers/upper midcarders) Alberto Del Rio (too protected to be anything lower) Bray Wyatt Cesaro Chris Jericho Kevin Owens The Miz Rusev Sami Zayn Sheamus
B Level (midcarders) Baron Corbin Big Show (part time) Braun Strowman Dolph Ziggler Kalisto Kane (part time) Luke Harper Neville Ryback
C Level (lower carders) Apollo Crews Erick Rowan Mark Henry (part time) Titus O'Neil Tyson Kidd
D Level (enhancement talent) Bo Dallas Curtis Axel Darren Young Heath Slater Jack Swagger Sin Cara Zack Ryder
TAG TEAM ROSTER
A Level (championship contenders) Enzo Amore and Big Cass Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods) The Usos (Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso)
B Level (everyone else) The Ascension (Konnor and Viktor) The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray Dudley and D-Von Dudley) Goldust and R-Truth The Shining Stars (Primo and Epico) Tyler Breeze and Fandango The Vaudevillains (Aiden English and Simon Gotch)
FEMALE ROSTER
A+ Level (protected championship contenders) Charlotte Nikki Bella Sasha Banks
A Level (championship contenders) Becky Lynch Natalya Paige
B Level (everyone else) Alicia Fox Dana Brooke Emma Eva Marie Lana Naomi Rosa Mendes Summer Rae Tamina
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jun 4, 2016 13:14:18 GMT -5
This is how I'd say the roster is: MALE ROSTERA+ Level (protected main eventers)Brock Lesnar (part time) John Cena Roman Reigns The Rock (part time) The Undertaker (part time) Triple H (part time) A Level (main eventers)AJ Styles Dean Ambrose Randy Orton Seth Rollins A- Level (fringe main eventers/upper midcarders)Alberto Del Rio (too protected to be anything lower) Bray Wyatt Cesaro Chris Jericho Kevin Owens The Miz Rusev Sami Zayn Sheamus B Level (midcarders)Baron Corbin Big Show (part time) Braun Strowman Dolph Ziggler Kalisto Kane (part time) Luke Harper Neville Ryback C Level (lower carders)Apollo Crews Erick Rowan Mark Henry (part time) Titus O'Neil Tyson Kidd D Level (enhancement talent)Bo Dallas Curtis Axel Darren Young Heath Slater Jack Swagger Sin Cara Not Ranked, But Probably Around HereMitch (RIP) Son of Mitch Zack Ryder Level (is Zack Ryder)Zack Ryder TAG TEAM ROSTERA Level (championship contenders)Enzo Amore and Big Cass Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods) The Usos (Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso) B Level (everyone else)The Ascension (Konnor and Viktor) The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray Dudley and D-Von Dudley) Goldust and R-Truth The Shining Stars (Primo and Epico) Tyler Breeze and Fandango The Vaudevillains (Aiden English and Simon Gotch) FEMALE ROSTERA+ Level (protected championship contenders)Charlotte Nikki Bella Sasha Banks A Level (championship contenders)Becky Lynch Natalya Paige B Level (everyone else)Alicia Fox Dana Brooke Emma Eva Marie Lana Naomi Rosa Mendes Summer Rae Tamina Just had to correct a couple of omissions. MUCH better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 13:23:14 GMT -5
You can probably only count on one hand the amount of times he's been pinned on TV after three years on the main roster. Yes I would consider that to be booked strong especially compared to the majority of the roster. I can count on one hand the feuds he's won. It's totally killed his credibility. Let's see... he's beaten Kane (well, the first time) & Chris Jericho, and... um... I think Meltzer sort of got it wrong with the tag division. To me, he hit the nail on the comedy guys (Breezango, the Molten Poop, Ascension, and the Shining Stars), but there should be three tiers, with Anderson & Gallows, the Dudley Boyz, and the Vaudevillians in a "B" group of teams that can shuffle around title programs with the comedy guys stuck in the "C" group.
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