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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 6, 2016 17:06:12 GMT -5
I like Chavo, but they didn't do him favors with that shit in TNA. I've never cared much for Hernandez. The Border Toss is probably the least safe finisher that has seen significant usage in mainstream American wrestling by a wide margin. He had size and... No, wait, those are all of his qualities. While we're on TNA big guys, Matt Morgan. He's tall and scary, but that's it. It's not even an anti-hoss thing, he's a better worker than Sid for example, but nowhere as charismatic. Morgan's just slightly average in all areas.
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Post by rrh on Jul 6, 2016 17:38:58 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan for me. Never got his appeal and always thought he was overrated.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 6, 2016 18:00:24 GMT -5
I remember around 2012/13 hearing all this buzz about a guy named ACH. Then he gets booked in ROH and he's okay. He's not bad, but he doesn't seem all that special. Then he gets bookings in PWG, and I think to myself; "okay the shackles are all off, let's see what you can do," and he's still just okay.
I don't know if my standards were just too high, or if maybe the guy used to be better. But I've just never seen whatever it is others have with him.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 6, 2016 18:17:04 GMT -5
Bobby Roode is the most bland man who has walked the planet. Ring work and personality wise. I tried to get him, but he just bores me to tears. Always has, probably always will.
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Jul 6, 2016 20:41:48 GMT -5
Bret and Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Ricky Steamboat, Cm Punk, John Morrison, to name a few. All are just very bland to me, personality aside, the matches are just meh.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 6, 2016 21:16:57 GMT -5
Goldberg. He's a monster heel except he's a face? I don't get it. Product of his time, I suppose. It made sense to get behind a guy who seemed like he could be the bane of the nWo's existence, and in an era of WCW that had a lot of faces be wishy-washy or come up short, he was the right man at the right time.
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Post by edgestar on Jul 6, 2016 21:26:17 GMT -5
Konnan. I don't frickin' get him. Never have, probably never will. When he was talking about salad and potatoes, I just thought he was hungry. I didn't know he meant something totally different, but, I was younger at the time ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jul 6, 2016 21:35:43 GMT -5
The reason it was those matches are considered classics is because the matches did tell a story and did build on each other. A move that got the pinfall the first time would be reversed or be a near-fall next time, forcing them to up the ante. Eventually, power levels got too high and the matches got simply reckless as is the logical extension of that formula, but there was absolutely a logic and a story behind it. Personally, as cool as I think that is, I don't know if I could say it was worth it because of the irreparable damage it did to the men involved and to the industry, because people would look at those matches and go "Huh, I'm going to do fifteen Burning Hammers in my throwaway match as a shortcut for actually wrestling a compelling match." That's why the Owens vs Big Match Jhon matches were nothing but f***ing video game exhibition matches, they weren't building on anything. There was no history between the two men, there weren't any prior matchups where this move or that move proved troublesome for either man thus forcing him to come up with a gameplan to counter it. They were just throwing out cool moves as a shortcut to that style. They didn't want to put in the work to earn it, they wanted to reap the rewards. It is finisher spam. That's why I personally shit on the WWE for it. The WWE style of booking, of being so f***ing terrified of letting one guy be the better man that night and then following through with it, as they've made losses to be something horribly shameful (even though some of the best fighters in history have clean losses which makes them all the more compelling), means they are simply locked out of this booking method as you NEED that psychology behind it for it to work. Psychology isn't really something the WWE does anymore. It's all go, go, go, because fans have shorter attention spans and if someone loses they're buried, etc. Okay but just because you're doing a series of matches that build on each other doesn't mean psychology has to completely go out the window. In any of Misawa's matches with Kawada there is a period of time where they literally just start throwing big moves and stop selling altogether. At least in the Cena Vs Owens matches the two had consistently continued to sell the damage they took. For an example of how to do a series that builds on itself well look at Samoa Joe vs CM Punk in 2004. Punk came into the first match with Samoa Joe with the strategy to try to wear the big man down with the headlock and nearly beat him with a good strategy against him. The next match between the two Samoa Joe came out more aggressively and Punk tried to adjust his strategy to put Joe away before the time ran out. In the end Joe nearly put Punk away. The third time Joe fought much more aggressively against Punk's headlock strategy and busted him open which really forced Punk to abandon his headlock strategy altogether to try to put Joe away before the blood loss started to effect him, forcing him to play Joe's game which ultimately beat him at. In 6 months and 3 encounters between the two they managed to tell a more coherent and complete narrative with better psychology and action than Misawa and Kawada in well over 2 decades and 21 singles matches.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 6, 2016 21:50:21 GMT -5
I find there's a difference between guys I never got the hype about and guys I just didn't like or have interest in. I totally get the hype and popularity Lex Luger had, or Bret Hart, even if both of them bored me to death.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 6, 2016 22:16:12 GMT -5
Paige. People creamed themselves over her average matches. Never got her.
Tommy Dreamer - same match, same spots for the majority of his career. Won't go away.
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Post by Main Eventer on Jul 6, 2016 23:25:18 GMT -5
I don't see the hype behind Chad Gable. He is good in the ring, but I think he is average on the mic and don't see him as the next Kurt Angle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 2:07:59 GMT -5
Paige. People creamed themselves over her average matches. Never got her. Knew I forgot somebody. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. Was expecting this bad-ass Anti-Diva thing and she gets browbeat by AJ on the first night.
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Post by gatordone on Jul 7, 2016 2:26:35 GMT -5
Enzo Amore C.M Punk Daniel Bryan Chris Benoit Dean Malenko
Anyone from ROH.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 7, 2016 3:00:16 GMT -5
Paige. People creamed themselves over her average matches. Never got her. Tommy Dreamer - same match, same spots for the majority of his career. Won't go away. Paige came up during the Diva era when people were just desperate for any female performer with a modicum of wrestling talent to "save women's wrestling".
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 7, 2016 3:23:43 GMT -5
The Rock.
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Post by lws on Jul 7, 2016 3:27:04 GMT -5
I also never liked Hulk Hogan as a babyface. I think his promos are bad when energetic and douchey when calm, and he acts like a jerk in his matches. But, I acknowledge he's the ultimate babyface somehow, and just deal with it. I liked Hollywood Hogan a lot, too, so its like like I just hate the guy.
I don't get the appeal behind Randy Orton in the slightest, either. I liked him at the very beginning of his career when he was injured and doing the Randy News Network, but the higher up the card he went the less personality he had. He's basically on par with Jack Tunney in terms of charisma in my book. And his matches are boring as shit.
I agree with anybody who said Mr. Kennedy.
Oh, and I kinda hate Jeff Hardy. But, I also kinda get it with him. I don't just mean recently with the really stupid stuff they're doing in TNA, I've always thought Jeff in particular was clearly doing stupid shit for attention, and I don't see how that makes him a super cool face.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jul 7, 2016 4:49:38 GMT -5
Anybody whose career peaked in the original ECW. If you can't understand the hype behind Sabu, you must have started watching wrestling around the time that The Hardy Boys were making a name for themselves by copying his style.
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Post by TGM on Jul 7, 2016 5:55:50 GMT -5
Ken Kennedy and Justin Credible. I've always found them both really bland. Was there ever any hype about Justin Credible? Genuine question.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 7, 2016 6:58:24 GMT -5
Matt Morgan. The guy was big, had a good look and could talk competently but he was not a star no matter who was booking him. He had some bad luck because of his association with Jim Cornette, but when he finally got a company built around him (Ring Ka King) he was exposed as being a giant Renee Dupre, great look but oh so boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 7:06:37 GMT -5
Ken Kennedy and Justin Credible. I've always found them both really bland. Was there ever any hype about Justin Credible? Genuine question. Vince was pretty big on Aldo Montoya. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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