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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 11:40:40 GMT -5
On thinking it over further I'm curious how on earth they'll spin the Batman / Superman fight over leadership as something where you could feasibly side with Superman on it. In this particular continuity he doesn't seem like any particularly virtuous person or like he has any notable leadership qualities - if anything quite the opposite given his first order of business on getting his costume was to fly to a military base and start acting like he ran the place - and Batman put the group together and has shown far more in the way of strategic thinking than him, plus at least has experience of running his company while Clark was just some guy working on an oil rig. Don't see any reason on any level why this continuity's Superman should be in charge.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 11:59:40 GMT -5
On thinking it over further I'm curious how on earth they'll spin the Batman / Superman fight over leadership as something where you could feasibly side with Superman on it. In this particular continuity he doesn't seem like any particularly virtuous person or like he has any notable leadership qualities - if anything quite the opposite given his first order of business on getting his costume was to fly to a military base and start acting like he ran the place - and Batman put the group together and has shown far more in the way of strategic thinking than him, plus at least has experience of running his company while Clark was just some guy working on an oil rig. Don't see any reason on any level why this continuity's Superman should be in charge. Yeah... that's one of the many problems with this continuity... Superman in the comics and every other version has a claim to being the leader because he's Superman the icon of hope in the world, is an inspirational figure and generally tries to see the good in everyone... as opposed to Batman who is generally a pessimist and tends to the sees the worst. the DCCU Superman is an asshole that literally gave up on humanity at one point.... also neither one of them were smart enough to notice Wonder Woman standing around who could have easily driven the kryptonite spear into Doomsday without dying...
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2017 14:58:22 GMT -5
Simple.
Make her the leader.
General War leader of Themiscyra trumps both those tools.
Plus, you get all the bonus 'yay for women' press, and have something you can covertly, and totally unfairly, blame if the film flops.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 15:00:39 GMT -5
Simple. Make her the leader. General War leader of Themiscyra trumps both those tools. Plus, you get all the bonus 'yay for women' press, and have something you can covertly, and totally unfairly, blame if the film flops. But Wonder Woman is also apparently a homicidal maniac in the DCCU too... with the whole "my armor is red because of all the people I killed" explanation that was given... What I'm saying is the Justice League in the DCCU are a bunch of psychopathic assholes... because Snyder is an idiot
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Post by chrom on Jan 11, 2017 15:05:08 GMT -5
Simple. Make her the leader. General War leader of Themiscyra trumps both those tools. Plus, you get all the bonus 'yay for women' press, and have something you can covertly, and totally unfairly, blame if the film flops. But Wonder Woman is also apparently a homicidal maniac in the DCCU too... with the whole "my armor is red because of all the people I killed" explanation that was given... What I'm saying is the Justice League in the DCCU are a bunch of psychopathic assholes... because Snyder is an idiot They're becoming less and less like their comic and cartoon selves and more like Alucard (Hellsing) While Alucard is fun to watch him slaughter ghouls and nazi vampires, it's hardly the right character needed for this type of movie.
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2017 15:33:26 GMT -5
Simple. Make her the leader. General War leader of Themiscyra trumps both those tools. Plus, you get all the bonus 'yay for women' press, and have something you can covertly, and totally unfairly, blame if the film flops. But Wonder Woman is also apparently a homicidal maniac in the DCCU too... with the whole "my armor is red because of all the people I killed" explanation that was given... What I'm saying is the Justice League in the DCCU are a bunch of psychopathic assholes... because Snyder is an idiot Eh, I've always quite liked the stories that make Wonder Woman a warrior rather than just a bleeding heart, but I get what you mean. And Snyder sure is an idiot, but what's funny is that he is a legit fan. I'm just not sure what of. Marvel I assume.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 15:36:21 GMT -5
But Wonder Woman is also apparently a homicidal maniac in the DCCU too... with the whole "my armor is red because of all the people I killed" explanation that was given... What I'm saying is the Justice League in the DCCU are a bunch of psychopathic assholes... because Snyder is an idiot Eh, I've always quite liked the stories that make Wonder Woman a warrior rather than just a bleeding heart, but I get what you mean. And Snyder sure is an idiot, but what's funny is that he is a legit fan. I'm just not sure what of. Marvel I assume. I don't have a problem with her as a warrior or even killing people... but it always felt wrong when treated as her FIRST option is to just kill them all or something that she would admit uh "happily" that she did so. though I suppose it's better than Diana being written as an alien from planet man-hate to steal a line from Gail Simone. Just because he reads the books doesn't mean he understands the shit he reads...
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2017 15:40:27 GMT -5
Eh, I've always quite liked the stories that make Wonder Woman a warrior rather than just a bleeding heart, but I get what you mean. And Snyder sure is an idiot, but what's funny is that he is a legit fan. I'm just not sure what of. Marvel I assume. Just because he reads the books doesn't mean he understands the shit he reads... either is better than Diana being written as an alien from planet man-hate to steal a line from Gail Simone. Let's see what her film brings. It's the director Marvel fired/she left over creative differences from Thor 2, so it'll be interesting to see if Marvel made a mistake or not there if nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 16:04:38 GMT -5
Just because he reads the books doesn't mean he understands the shit he reads... either is better than Diana being written as an alien from planet man-hate to steal a line from Gail Simone. Let's see what her film brings. It's the director Marvel fired/she left over creative differences from Thor 2, so it'll be interesting to see if Marvel made a mistake or not there if nothing else. Didn't know that aspect of it, interesting. Curious to see where that goes. Particularly given I didn't like Thor 2.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2017 16:50:43 GMT -5
Eh, I've always quite liked the stories that make Wonder Woman a warrior rather than just a bleeding heart, but I get what you mean. And Snyder sure is an idiot, but what's funny is that he is a legit fan. I'm just not sure what of. Marvel I assume. I don't have a problem with her as a warrior or even killing people... but it always felt wrong when treated as her FIRST option is to just kill them all or something that she would admit uh "happily" that she did so. though I suppose it's better than Diana being written as an alien from planet man-hate to steal a line from Gail Simone. Just because he reads the books doesn't mean he understands the shit he reads... If you are going to just have her kill people without discrimination you might as well do a Flashpoint movie or this could be a flashpoint universe.
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Post by Shark on Jan 11, 2017 19:50:02 GMT -5
On thinking it over further I'm curious how on earth they'll spin the Batman / Superman fight over leadership as something where you could feasibly side with Superman on it. In this particular continuity he doesn't seem like any particularly virtuous person or like he has any notable leadership qualities - if anything quite the opposite given his first order of business on getting his costume was to fly to a military base and start acting like he ran the place - and Batman put the group together and has shown far more in the way of strategic thinking than him, plus at least has experience of running his company while Clark was just some guy working on an oil rig. Don't see any reason on any level why this continuity's Superman should be in charge. Reading the article linked and it seems to be more banter than actual serious arguments over leadership. Might be a case where a mountain is being made over a molehill.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 19:57:03 GMT -5
Them arguing over leadership is at least somewhat true to the comics. Unless it's like... we should blow them up vs. we should drop a mountain on them style arguments
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2017 20:11:36 GMT -5
Snider should just marathon the Justice League Cartoon and grab whatever he can from there
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2017 20:22:26 GMT -5
Snider should just marathon the Justice League Cartoon and grab whatever he can from there He could, but he still wouldn't understand any of it.
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Post by Shai on Jan 11, 2017 20:44:09 GMT -5
My whole problem with tge DCEU as a whole is that they want to beat Marvel at buildingm a Cinematic Universe but they want to do it with the least amount of time. The MCU is not including this year is 14 movies and 5 tv series deep. Warner Brothers saw that the MCU has made 10.2 billion dollars at the box office and they want that but don't want to put the time and effort that Marvel has put in.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 11, 2017 23:04:26 GMT -5
My whole problem with tge DCEU as a whole is that they want to beat Marvel at buildingm a Cinematic Universe but they want to do it with the least amount of time. The MCU is not including this year is 14 movies and 5 tv series deep. Warner Brothers saw that the MCU has made 10.2 billion dollars at the box office and they want that but don't want to put the time and effort that Marvel has put in. That's because outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Green Lantern none of their other superheroes are interesting enough for their own solo film. No one is rushing to see a Flash, Martian Manhunter, or Green Arrow on the big screen. It might be a harsh thing to state but I always found it to be true given as the characters I mentioned have more interesting stories, villains, and themes that can actually engage the audience in my opinion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 23:06:05 GMT -5
My whole problem with tge DCEU as a whole is that they want to beat Marvel at buildingm a Cinematic Universe but they want to do it with the least amount of time. The MCU is not including this year is 14 movies and 5 tv series deep. Warner Brothers saw that the MCU has made 10.2 billion dollars at the box office and they want that but don't want to put the time and effort that Marvel has put in. That's because outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Green Lantern none of their other superheroes are interesting enough for their own solo film. No one is rushing to see a Flash, Martian Manhunter, or Green Arrow on the big screen. It might be a harsh thing to state but I always found it to be true given as the characters I mentioned have more interesting stories, villains, and themes that can actually engage the audience in my opinion. You could easily have said that about a bunch of the Marvel heroes too. Before the MCU could you really see anyone clamoring for an Ant-man movie? Start off with a Wonder Woman, Batman and Good Superman movie... maybe with breadcrumbs on some of the otehr guys like how Hawkeye was in Thor and then hit the Justice League movie.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 11, 2017 23:09:05 GMT -5
That's because outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Green Lantern none of their other superheroes are interesting enough for their own solo film. No one is rushing to see a Flash, Martian Manhunter, or Green Arrow on the big screen. It might be a harsh thing to state but I always found it to be true given as the characters I mentioned have more interesting stories, villains, and themes that can actually engage the audience in my opinion. You could easily have said that about a bunch of the Marvel heroes too. Before the MCU could you really see anyone clamoring for an Ant-man movie? That's true. But Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America have great villains and themes. People may've not been clamoring for Ant-Man, however, since his film is part of the MCU people went to see it and word of mouth helped it a lot. Fans were rightly upset that Pym had such a minimal role and that he wasn't the creator of Ultron in this universe though. I probably would've been the only one who was clamoring for an Pym Ant-Man film.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2017 23:11:08 GMT -5
You could easily have said that about a bunch of the Marvel heroes too. Before the MCU could you really see anyone clamoring for an Ant-man movie? That's true. But Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America have great villains and themes. People may've not been clamoring for Ant-Man, however, since his film is part of the MCU people went to see it and word of mouth helped it a lot. Fans were rightly upset that Pym had such a minimal role and that he wasn't the creator of Ultron in this universe though. I probably would've been the only one who was clamoring for an Pym Ant-Man film. I was hoping for a Pym and Jan movie. But Like I added to afterwards. Then you set it up Batman, Wonder Woman, a good Superman movie... then the justice league, with potential hints at a few of the others in the Batman and Superman movie like Hawkeye in Thor. Not ... what they did. I mean in the Batman movie have talk about similar vigilante in Star City. in Superman have Lois researching him and flip through notes about strange lights in the sky of Coast City... hell in Wonder Woman have Atlantian antiquities on display or something... it's damned easy to leave references to characters you want to use.
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Post by Shai on Jan 11, 2017 23:11:44 GMT -5
My whole problem with tge DCEU as a whole is that they want to beat Marvel at buildingm a Cinematic Universe but they want to do it with the least amount of time. The MCU is not including this year is 14 movies and 5 tv series deep. Warner Brothers saw that the MCU has made 10.2 billion dollars at the box office and they want that but don't want to put the time and effort that Marvel has put in. That's because outside of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and maybe Green Lantern none of their other superheroes are interesting enough for their own solo film. No one is rushing to see a Flash, Martian Manhunter, or Green Arrow on the big screen. It might be a harsh thing to state but I always found it to be true given as the characters I mentioned have more interesting stories, villains, and themes that can actually engage the audience in my opinion. This one of the reasons keeping the DCEU and DCTV separate to the point of having two different actors playing The Flash is stupid as hell. They've got millions of people already invested in those "lesser" characters like Flash and Green Arrow and they threw it away.
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