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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 9, 2017 20:19:11 GMT -5
The Batman on Film site is saying he is hearing that the movie is a mess Doesn't shock me. Snyder and Goyer are on their way out and you have Affleck and Johns coming in. No surprise if another cluster ensues.
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Post by Fade on Jan 10, 2017 1:40:47 GMT -5
Good lord if that's true that's three (arguably 4) straight strikes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 11:02:46 GMT -5
Steppenwolf......CGI, Why? Just cast a big guy who can act or a guy that'll pack on some mass Steppenwolf should not be CGI he's human sized for Petes sake *puts nerd hat on* Actually, New Gods are giant sized in their own realm, but leaving their whole dimension via the Boom Tubes makes them human sized. Likewise, Boom Tubes make humans normal sized on New Genesis/Apokolips, where if they they somehow got to New Gods Land thru some other manner, they'd be miniature sized. *takes nerd hat off* But yeah, CGI Steppenwolf (as a monster or something?) is just f***ing stupid.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 10, 2017 14:36:57 GMT -5
I sincerely hope this film isn't a mess. They had to push it back the first or second time around in order to hammer out a better story, possibly change the tone, and work on the effects.
They have no excuses if this one doesn't blow the casual audience or the fans away.
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Post by Fade on Jan 10, 2017 17:30:18 GMT -5
I sincerely hope this film isn't a mess. They had to push it back the first or second time around in order to hammer out a better story, possibly change the tone, and work on the effects. They have no excuses if this one doesn't blow the casual audience or the fans away. They got the best excuse and he directed 300.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 10, 2017 19:36:10 GMT -5
I sincerely hope this film isn't a mess. They had to push it back the first or second time around in order to hammer out a better story, possibly change the tone, and work on the effects. They have no excuses if this one doesn't blow the casual audience or the fans away. They got the best excuse and he directed 300. In Zack's defense, Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen were good movies. But I am just saying I hope they can and will salvage this. They cannot afford to possibly have Wonder Woman be the best of the bunch. Worst case scenario they might just want to push this back again just to be on the safe side.
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Post by Fade on Jan 10, 2017 19:40:46 GMT -5
They got the best excuse and he directed 300. In Zack's defense, Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen were good movies. But I am just saying I hope they can and will salvage this. They cannot afford to possibly have Wonder Woman be the best of the bunch. Worst case scenario they might just want to push this back again just to be on the safe side. I liked 300. I liked DOTD. Hell I liked aspects of Watchmen. I just think Zacks been trying too hard to be Christopher Nolan with his DC flicks and he absolutely cannot be. Edit: And I have higher hopes for JL than WW. But that's not saying much. How in God's name do they spin it if both of them get BVS (or even SS) reactions?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 20:28:04 GMT -5
I Still couldn't believe they trusted Zack with a third one of these, Marvel gave Wheldon the boot after the 2nd Avengers was a bit flat, and even that film was better received then anything DCU has produced.
Zack's films are all style and no substance, he's like Michael Bay mixed with worse parts of Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan films. Sometimes that's okay, I really enjoyed DotD, 300, and find Sucker Punch to be a guilty pleasure, but he needs to stay away from DCU, seriously if someone told me those films are set in the Watchmen universe I would've believed them.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 10, 2017 20:49:08 GMT -5
Syder's not dong the DCU any favors, but honestly the dubious nature of David Goyer's writing for various DC superheroes bothers me much more.
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Post by denna5 on Jan 10, 2017 21:19:27 GMT -5
I want it to be good but I am still bitter that there isn't going to be Martian Manhunter in it. He is such a big part of the JLA to me. At least the tv shows are using him.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 11, 2017 1:34:59 GMT -5
The real problem seems to be Goyer. I imagine if they had a different and more talented writer we'd be discussing something completely different in terms of the quality of these films.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 1:54:49 GMT -5
Didn't Christopher Nolan interview for directors and chose Snyder and brought along Goyer?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 11, 2017 1:59:53 GMT -5
Didn't Christopher Nolan interview for directors and chose Snyder and brought along Goyer? Goyer was already there for the whole Dark Knight trilogy. Nolan and his brother were just able to rein him in and filter his ideas. Zack seems to have a difficult time putting Goyer in his place honestly.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2017 2:10:37 GMT -5
The real problem seems to be Goyer. I imagine if they had a different and more talented writer we'd be discussing something completely different in terms of the quality of these films. It is worth pointing out that Goyer is done for the time being with the DCEU. Justice League is Snyder's story and Chris Terrio's screenplay, Goyer was replaced very early on in the writing process... though Terrio also co-wrote the BVS script, so that's not terribly reassuring.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 11, 2017 2:12:35 GMT -5
The real problem seems to be Goyer. I imagine if they had a different and more talented writer we'd be discussing something completely different in terms of the quality of these films. It is worth pointing out that Goyer is done for the time being with the DCEU. Justice League is Snyder's story and Chris Terrio's screenplay, Goyer was replaced very early on in the writing process... though Terrio also co-wrote the BVS script, so that's not terribly reassuring. I thought they brought in Geoff John's for Justice League?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2017 2:23:16 GMT -5
Goyer was already there for the whole Dark Knight trilogy. Nolan and his brother were just able to rein him in and filter his ideas. Zack seems to have a difficult time putting Goyer in his place honestly. By all accounts, 90% of the writing in the Nolan trilogy was done by the Nolans, and Goyer was pretty much just there to help shape the stories. Begins is the only one he actually has a writing credit for. I thought they brought in Geoff John's for Justice League? Wonder Woman is Johns' first major involvement with DCEU at a creative level, and he's co-writing The Batman with Affleck. He was a consultant on Justice League (as he was with all three of the other movies so far) but the course had already been set for JL by the time he was promoted to his new role as head of DC Films, so no major changes have been made by him.
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Post by Legion on Jan 11, 2017 6:20:20 GMT -5
I dont think Johns has anything to do with screen writing etc. He is just there as a consultant.
Personally, I think he's stretching himself too thin and aside from Green Lantern, most of the big events he's spearheaded have been lacklustre, so even then I dont feel his involvement is all that spectacular.
The issue DC have is the same issue they have had since they started. They are rushing shit to get the money - Marvel's early films felt like passion projects to build their universe and they had people begging for Avengers. DC just want to throw their 'known' characters on screen and expect people to orgasm cos 'omg Batman!'
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2017 6:35:50 GMT -5
I dont think Johns has anything to do with screen writing etc. He is just there as a consultant. Personally, I think he's stretching himself too thin and aside from Green Lantern, most of the big events he's spearheaded have been lacklustre, so even then I dont feel his involvement is all that spectacular. - President and Chief Creative Officer, DC Comics
- President, DC Films
- Screenwriter on Wonder Woman
- Screenwriter on The Batman
- Consultant on Justice League (both parts)
- Consultant on The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg
- Consultant and occasional screenwriter for the CWverse
- Developer of Static Shock digital series
That's hell of a workload for just one guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 8:23:49 GMT -5
I'm fully expecting the movie to be a mess honestly. Have a whole lot of not especially talented people behind the scenes on it, with the only real change from the earlier movies being the involvement of Geoff Johns whose only previous movie work was on Green Lantern which was an awful cluttered mess of ideas in its own right plus honestly I find Johns to be a very overrated writer who doesn't seem to get most of the characters he works with to begin with and seems to focus entirely on his own ideas and creations way too much with no regard at all for other people trying to tell their own stories around him, and it's following three previous bad movies.
Plus it doesn't help that the thing couldn't be more obviously aping Avengers if it tried. If it were just doing the team up out of a shared universe thing fine, whatever, but it's literally also about a powerful being representing a generic alien overlord who comes to earth looking for a magical cube, and quite probably also will do the thing of the two main heroes spending the whole movie bickering.
Doesn't really help we've already seen the big three team up onscreen now, so the only real selling point for Justice League is, "Come see it again, but with a bunch of second-stringers we haven't bothered to actually introduce crammed into it!" And second-string is being pretty generous to Cyborg anyway.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jan 11, 2017 10:41:04 GMT -5
Honestly the movie deserves the rumors until D.C. Makes a movie that proves them to be untrue.
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