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Post by Jiren on Nov 7, 2017 0:20:31 GMT -5
I'm kinda expecting it to be mediocre. Not the shitfests that BVS and Suicide Squad were, but nowhere near Wonder Woman or even Man of Steel. I'm mostly just hoping it's better than Suicide Squad. I don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as Wonder Woman but I found Suicide Squad, while on the whole pretty damn bad, more watchable than BvS and BvS more watchable than Man of Steel. To be honest I think DC just got lucky with Wonder Woman. But I can't see JL till a week later as I'm away when it's released
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 0:21:44 GMT -5
I think it's the way everything looks really artificial is what's making me leery. Like the clip on the last page looked more like a promo tie-in for Mcdonald's you'd see where Commissioner Gordon was introducing the League to the Justice combo meal than an actual clip from the movie. There's a 'fake-ness' to it that makes it hard to get sucked in. And yeah, poor Cyborg looks like garbage. That's likely to be a distraction all movie. Please be good. Speaking of Cyborg... I'm not a fan of him on the whole really but I just can't fathom playing him as this nicey-nice, "Aw shucks, guys, I'm just happy to help!" thing they're doing with him. Either play him like the Titans cartoon or do shit like this with him - Neither's exactly new territory or anything that groundbreaking, but they'd both be a hell of a lot more interesting than what they're doing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 7, 2017 0:26:17 GMT -5
I'm kinda expecting it to be mediocre. Not the shitfests that BVS and Suicide Squad were, but nowhere near Wonder Woman or even Man of Steel. I wouldn't put Man of Steel on the good side either. Hence my use of "or even", since there's a huge quality gap between it and Wonder Woman. It's still mediocre, but it has enough redeeming features to push it towards almost being good. Justice League's trailers combined with the shorter running time give me the impression that DC have done another chop job. In under two hours they have to introduce three new lead characters (including one who's not exactly well known outside of ardent DC fans), put the team together, introduce the villain, set up his motivations and plans, incorporate numerous supporting characters, and pay off the return of Superman. That's a lot of ground to cover, and Snyder isn't known for his brevity.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 7, 2017 3:25:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't put Man of Steel on the good side either. Hence my use of "or even", since there's a huge quality gap between it and Wonder Woman. It's still mediocre, but it has enough redeeming features to push it towards almost being good. Justice League's trailers combined with the shorter running time give me the impression that DC have done another chop job. In under two hours they have to introduce three new lead characters (including one who's not exactly well known outside of ardent DC fans), put the team together, introduce the villain, set up his motivations and plans, incorporate numerous supporting characters, and pay off the return of Superman. That's a lot of ground to cover, and Snyder isn't known for his brevity. Not to me, personally I found the movie to be a mess and not at all an entertaining one. Characters literally act against their motivations, the narrative contradicts itself, and tries for big shocking moments that aren't earned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 8:14:23 GMT -5
Yeah that justice league clip just seemed off to me, for reasons i'm not sure. Wait to see the movie but if this underperforms, do what i suggested before and just make a wonder woman trilogy. Patty Jenkins is all ready confirmed to be back, just keep Snyders hands off it
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 9, 2017 11:35:45 GMT -5
I so want this movie to be good because I love DC's characters and they deserve to be treated well, but this long embargo is scaring my pants off.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 9, 2017 11:49:28 GMT -5
I think it's the way everything looks really artificial is what's making me leery. Like the clip on the last page looked more like a promo tie-in for Mcdonald's you'd see where Commissioner Gordon was introducing the League to the Justice combo meal than an actual clip from the movie. There's a 'fake-ness' to it that makes it hard to get sucked in. And yeah, poor Cyborg looks like garbage. That's likely to be a distraction all movie. Please be good. Good call; I knew something was bugging me, and that may well be it. I don't like judging too much off commercials or even trailers, but it sticks out here. It'll also be interesting to see how obvious the seams are between where it's largely Snyder's work and where it's more Whedon's. WB hasn't inspired a ton of confidence in people with regards to having decent editors around or knowing how to handle pacing, so I can only hope they have a better plan this time around.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Nov 9, 2017 11:54:16 GMT -5
And now I am wishing a Justice combo meal actually was a thing....lunchtime can't come soon enough...
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 9, 2017 14:36:53 GMT -5
I so want this movie to be good because I love DC's characters and they deserve to be treated well, but this long embargo is scaring my pants off. Those who have seen the film said it's very good. Of course they couldn't go into any details. I can understand why they are careful with the embargo. Last thing they need is more bad word of mouth and it affecting their box office returns. I'd be very wary too considering how much power the Internet has and how a lot of critics have this Pro-Marvel mindset.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 14:41:23 GMT -5
I so want this movie to be good because I love DC's characters and they deserve to be treated well, but this long embargo is scaring my pants off. Those who have seen the film said it's very good. Of course they couldn't go into any details. I can understand why they are careful with the embargo. Last thing they need is more bad word of mouth and it affecting their box office returns. I'd be very wary too considering how much power the Internet has and how a lot of critics have this Pro-Marvel mindset. The things about that are... 1. Suicide Squad also had good word of mouth from early screenings. 2. The only Marvel movies with a higher RT score than Wonder Woman are Iron Man and Thor: Ragnarok. It's not a, "Marvel does only good, DC does only bad," thing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 9, 2017 14:54:23 GMT -5
Those who have seen the film said it's very good. Of course they couldn't go into any details. I can understand why they are careful with the embargo. Last thing they need is more bad word of mouth and it affecting their box office returns. I'd be very wary too considering how much power the Internet has and how a lot of critics have this Pro-Marvel mindset. The things about that are... 1. Suicide Squad also had good word of mouth from early screenings. 2. The only Marvel movies with a higher RT score than Wonder Woman are Iron Man and Thor: Ragnarok. It's not a, "Marvel does only good, DC does only bad," thing. Actually it has been a Marvel does only good, DC goes only bad mindset. I enjoy Marvel as much as the next person, however, the thought that these critics have this belief that everything Marvel does is gold has me worried really. Everyone has an opinion obviously. But does Iron Man 3 really justify having critical acclaim and a 79% score? I can remember before Wonder Woman came out all these "rumors" about it being a mess on the set, executives scrambling to rewrite and shoot scenes, and studio is worried about the reaction to Wonder Woman that they may scrap the whole thing. A lot of these critics have an agenda and some of it is Pro-Marvel.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 9, 2017 14:57:19 GMT -5
Iron Man 3 was a blast.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 9, 2017 15:10:02 GMT -5
The things about that are... 1. Suicide Squad also had good word of mouth from early screenings. 2. The only Marvel movies with a higher RT score than Wonder Woman are Iron Man and Thor: Ragnarok. It's not a, "Marvel does only good, DC does only bad," thing. Actually it has been a Marvel does only good, DC goes only bad mindset. I enjoy Marvel as much as the next person, however, the thought that these critics have this belief that everything Marvel does is gold has me worried really. Everyone has an opinion obviously. But does Iron Man 3 really justify having critical acclaim and a 79% score? People have a right to their own opinion but there's no way Iron Man 3 deserved to be praised....... Okay. That makes sense. Although, it could be that most critics aren't comic fans who got their knickers in a knot over the whole Mandarin thing
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 9, 2017 15:12:49 GMT -5
IM 3 was alright... probably my least favorite Iron Man movie... my brother and Father who aren't fans of comics? they loved it.
You don't need to be a comic fan to see the faults in MoS, Batman V. Superman or Suicide Squad (while from my understanding Suicide Squad was at least an entertaining mess)
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 9, 2017 15:20:04 GMT -5
Actually it has been a Marvel does only good, DC goes only bad mindset. I enjoy Marvel as much as the next person, however, the thought that these critics have this belief that everything Marvel does is gold has me worried really. Everyone has an opinion obviously. But does Iron Man 3 really justify having critical acclaim and a 79% score? People have a right to their own opinion but there's no way Iron Man 3 deserved to be praised....... Okay. That makes sense. Although, it could be that most critics aren't comic fans who got their knickers in a knot over the whole Mandarin thing What I mean is everyone has a right to their opinion. But again, Iron Man 3 definitely isn't the best Marvel film by any stretch of the imagination. I've just seen a lot of critics bash DC while endlessly praising Marvel.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 9, 2017 15:37:12 GMT -5
People have a right to their own opinion but there's no way Iron Man 3 deserved to be praised....... Okay. That makes sense. Although, it could be that most critics aren't comic fans who got their knickers in a knot over the whole Mandarin thing What I mean is everyone has a right to their opinion. But again, Iron Man 3 definitely isn't the best Marvel film by any stretch of the imagination. I've just seen a lot of critics bash DC while endlessly praising Marvel. The thing is, for all the criticisms of Marvel's formula, all the movies are at least solid fare. Character motivations make sense, plots are straightforward and understandable, and are usually tightly edited so they move at a brisk, enjoyable pace. Apart from Wonder Woman, DC's films have failed terribly at that. At a basic level, Marvel have made films that appeal more to critics who have no brand loyalty, hence the gulf in critical scores.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 12:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 10, 2017 13:00:48 GMT -5
Quite frankly, it's about what I expected.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 10, 2017 13:00:56 GMT -5
Hope they're right that the characters carry the day; in a film like this, with hopes of future standalone installments for each hero, they really have to nail the heroes' characters down over almost any other priority. Sucks that the narrative sounds like it's lacking, and a poor villain should never, ever be a thing in a DC product (knew they shouldn't have jumped right to New Gods so soon, so many other interesting options out there), but I wonder if Whedon was basically asked to rehabilitate the heroes above any other consideration, which I wouldn't be able to totally blame them for wanting so much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 13:24:28 GMT -5
Flawed, but fun - So it'll be a typical superhero movie? Sounds about right from the directors of two of the biggest superhero franchises both working on the same project.
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