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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 20:39:16 GMT -5
Just got out of it myself. I thought it was perfectly fine, not really anything great but I wasn’t kicking myself for seeing it or anything. Probably give it a six out of ten.
Biggest problems were the shaky fight editing, Cyborg and Steppenwolf being boring, and often kind of obtuse scene continuity.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 16, 2017 20:56:33 GMT -5
So basically they literally did Suicide Squad again... where they frankenstein'd two movies that had similar characters together? I haven't seen it myself yet, but based on the dozen or so reviews I've read and the messages from two of my friends who saw it this evening Whedon's stuff sticks out like a sore thumb. He rewrote enough of the script to earn a writing credit, which only happens when there's been significant changes to the original work. Have to figure that a big thing they wanted to do was to just "play it safe" here, get this half-and-half combo movie out of the way, and then basically rebuild things so their movies are more in the mould of Wonder Woman, right? Doing the whole "two tonally different movies in one" thing was awful for Suicide Squad and I'm sure it doesn't help here, but this may have just been a case of WB saying "Ok, let's get this out of the way and move on"...which is kind of crazy when you consider how much money got poured into JL.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 16, 2017 21:17:59 GMT -5
I haven't seen it myself yet, but based on the dozen or so reviews I've read and the messages from two of my friends who saw it this evening Whedon's stuff sticks out like a sore thumb. He rewrote enough of the script to earn a writing credit, which only happens when there's been significant changes to the original work. Have to figure that a big thing they wanted to do was to just "play it safe" here, get this half-and-half combo movie out of the way, and then basically rebuild things so their movies are more in the mould of Wonder Woman, right? Doing the whole "two tonally different movies in one" thing was awful for Suicide Squad and I'm sure it doesn't help here, but this may have just been a case of WB saying "Ok, let's get this out of the way and move on"...which is kind of crazy when you consider how much money got poured into JL. I don't like being a downer but people have been saying stuff like that since Man of Steel.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 16, 2017 21:18:41 GMT -5
Saw it just now... And the reviews are pretty spot on. It's not a "bad" film, but the tone feels really inconsistent. Like serious-comedy-serious-comedy and for me, the comedy fell really flat. Additionally, the pacing feels super fast. It's two hours but it feels like the film doesn't have time to let things just breath. Ever see Mortal Kombat: Annihilation? It felt like that kind of pace. I don't know who to blame: Zack Synder, Joss Whedon, WB corporate bigwigs... it just felt slapped together in some parts. Although they made Aquaman fairly badass I thought they kinda made the Flash like a total dweeb. I just feel like this film was really cut down to fit into a two hour length. In fact, I thought I spotted a continuity error in one scene. Wonder Woman has an additional article of clothing and I was like, "Where the hell did that come from?" Definitely blame WB for the pacing. The movie was supposed to be well over two hours, but they've gotten so much flack in the past for having longer films, they were told to cut it. Between that and the reshoots, it's like the studio learned nothing from Suicide Squad. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw yet ANOTHER Director's Cut.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 16, 2017 21:22:53 GMT -5
Saw it just now... And the reviews are pretty spot on. It's not a "bad" film, but the tone feels really inconsistent. Like serious-comedy-serious-comedy and for me, the comedy fell really flat. Additionally, the pacing feels super fast. It's two hours but it feels like the film doesn't have time to let things just breath. Ever see Mortal Kombat: Annihilation? It felt like that kind of pace. I don't know who to blame: Zack Synder, Joss Whedon, WB corporate bigwigs... it just felt slapped together in some parts. Although they made Aquaman fairly badass I thought they kinda made the Flash like a total dweeb. I just feel like this film was really cut down to fit into a two hour length. In fact, I thought I spotted a continuity error in one scene. Wonder Woman has an additional article of clothing and I was like, "Where the hell did that come from?" Definitely blame WB for the pacing. The movie was supposed to be well over two hours, but they've gotten so much flack in the past for having longer films, they were told to cut it. Between that and the reshoots, it's like the studio learned nothing from Suicide Squad. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw yet ANOTHER Director's Cut. First rule of Studios. If there is a lesson to be learned you can be sure that they will learn the wrong one.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 16, 2017 21:43:08 GMT -5
Definitely blame WB for the pacing. The movie was supposed to be well over two hours, but they've gotten so much flack in the past for having longer films, they were told to cut it. Between that and the reshoots, it's like the studio learned nothing from Suicide Squad. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw yet ANOTHER Director's Cut. First rule of Studios. If there is a lesson to be learned you can be sure that they will learn the wrong one. From the sound of it the lesson learned here was right - less length, more Wonder Woman - but they failed to understand how to implement it. If your movie doesn't work when under 2 ½ hours, don't try to make it under 2 ½ hours by cutting huge swathes without consideration to plot, and don't shoehorn a well-received character into a movie if they don't serve any purpose. But remember, knucklehead studio heads like Amy Pascal are pretty much the norm.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 16, 2017 22:12:41 GMT -5
I don't hate Affleck, I just hate that f***ing fat bat suit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 22:34:44 GMT -5
Planning on seeing it with my nephew.
Yay or nay?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 16, 2017 22:43:27 GMT -5
I REALLY dug it. It was the most basic plot imaginable, and there were flaws, but it was a lot of fun. Just the characters interacting and smiling was a blast. I think DC has kind of course corrected.
And yeah, you can see it with nephew; very kid friendly.
It's REALLY sort of a cartoon in a way. How you feel about that is if you'll enjoy Justice League or not.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 16, 2017 22:48:13 GMT -5
Cavil finally got to actually be Superman. For that alone I would have been on its side some.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2017 22:51:25 GMT -5
So where do they go from here tho
What is the realistic expectations moving forward for a movie like Aquaman which in theory needs all the help it can get
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Nov 16, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -5
f*** waiting, just shitcan Affleck now and start moving forward. Gyllenhaal has become an incredible actor, and I like the idea of Batman not being portrayed as an old fart.Join us as Batman tackles his greatest nemesis, prostate health!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 16, 2017 23:04:03 GMT -5
He's fun enough in this (one of my favorite parts), that if they hype it right and have some goodwill built from this---which I guess time will tell--it'll do well.
Like I think they'd have to temper expectations and not expect an Aquaman flick to be a mega blockbuster or anything, but if they shot for like an Ant Man/Dr. Strange etc that does decent business they'll do fine.
2 after credits scenes. One fun, and one pure hype. Enjoyed both.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 16, 2017 23:04:30 GMT -5
Just got out of it myself. I thought it was perfectly fine, not really anything great but I wasn’t kicking myself for seeing it or anything. Probably give it a six out of ten. Biggest problems were the shaky fight editing, Cyborg and Steppenwolf being boring, and often kind of obtuse scene continuity. B-b-b-buh muh c-o-n-spiracy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 23:11:07 GMT -5
I REALLY dug it. It was the most basic plot imaginable, and there were flaws, but it was a lot of fun. Just the characters interacting and smiling was a blast. I think DC has kind of course corrected. And yeah, you can see it with nephew; very kid friendly. It's REALLY sort of a cartoon in a way. How you feel about that is if you'll enjoy Justice League or not. Awesome to hear Kevin As long as it's pretty action packed, pretty light hearted throughout and not too much of a a chore, then I'm sure he'll like it, especially if Batman gets some good stuff. I was just worried about it's reception, because I don't want my nephew to feel bad if not a lot of people show up. He's a *huge* Batman/DC in general fan, so it would make me feel awful if it wasn't too great and nobody came to see it and it ruined his experience. (I hope that makes sense and doesn't sound sappy lol ) ... Thing is...with this Universe, they've already blown their load with two of the biggest storylines in B v S and Justice League. Suicide Squad is well...Suicide Squad. So they can't really do that "more than one major protagonist" thing without people being weary of the concept. So, solo films from here on out is all they can really do...until they can prove they can make a cohesive and logical cinematic universe. What's really needed is a change of leadership with this franchise, it seems. Edit: Hmm...It would seem like things would get even more muddled and out of whack if they just replace Bruce/Bat's actor like and with someone who looks nothing like Affleck lol. But...I love Jake's acting recently, so I guess it would be fine. But it'll turn into a Christian Bale type deal...skinny pretty boy actor known for not-so jakked up superhero type stuff. The backlash may not be on the level of Ben, but I can see it being met with caution...especially with it being a mid-way replacement situation.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 16, 2017 23:12:20 GMT -5
Honestly, they might be better served to not be so obsessed with trying to copy the Marvel formula of having everything inter-connected. What I mean is, have it be a 'looser' universe where you have your solo flicks and those do what they're gonna do business wise, and then do you big fun Justice League romps without having to have connective tissue stretching through everything. Something where, if you do see everything you're maybe a little rewarded for that by getting little side comments etc; but not being mandatory if you just want to see a Justice League film or whatever. I guess since they don't have a Feige and company to keep one vision, don't feel married to emulating that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2017 23:23:35 GMT -5
He's fun enough in this (one of my favorite parts), that if they hype it right and have some goodwill built from this---which I guess time will tell--it'll do well. Like I think they'd have to temper expectations and not expect an Aquaman flick to be a mega blockbuster or anything, but if they shot for like an Ant Man/Dr. Strange etc that does decent business they'll do fine. 2 after credits scenes. One fun, and one pure hype. Enjoyed both. I agree I think if they go with a sort of mild expectation for Aquaman than they could potentially have a surprise It's sort of their "gamble" but it can work in the same vein as Ant Man/Dr/ Strange and I like the way they've made Aquaman stand out Now Cyborg, that's a hard f***ing sell. He might be a case of just "Black Widow" him in regards to keeping him apart of other movies but they don't really need their own
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 23:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah, that seems like a good alternative to their current plans.
It would certainly set them apart from Marvel in a decent kind of way, as well.
"Hey, so you like Marvel's way of doing things, with intertwined and connecting storylines? Well, DC has a more loose and relaxed way, where you just sit down and enjoy the ride and maybe have a few movies here or there that connect." ..Could be DC's way of thinking. Not in a agressive competing manner, hust like "hey' here's a good alternative for ya, etc"
It would let them do other characters like a Riddler or Nightwing, without worrying too much about "CINEMATIC UNIVERSE OMG".
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 16, 2017 23:41:37 GMT -5
Cyborg even in the books doesn't have a lot of 'there' there. Hell, his role here is pretty the tech guy. Combine that with how honestly bad the CGI does look on him at times, there's no way I'd do a stand alone with him. He's fine here, and I do like the character; but there's a reason he's always been a character in a team. That's where he works.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 16, 2017 23:51:17 GMT -5
Cyborg even in the books doesn't have a lot of 'there' there. Hell, his role here is pretty the tech guy. Combine that with how honestly bad the CGI does look on him at times, there's no way I'd do a stand alone with him. He's fine here, and I do like the character; but there's a reason he's always been a character in a team. That's where he works. Don't they have a plan to release a solo movie for him in like 2020?
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