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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 21, 2017 2:31:41 GMT -5
Projections are putting the expected final gross at around $700 million worldwide or under, possibly more if it has the same kind of legs Wonder Woman had (which really seems like wishful thinking).
Safe to say that Snyder will soon be finding himself looking for other opportunities. His creative vision has been a complete bust.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 2:47:08 GMT -5
Yeah, this entire thing has been a huge embarrassment. They already blew the novelty of having the big three work together in BvS and got a huge opening there but it had no legs to stand on due to being a disaster of a movie and now they've just got nothing left to sell people on. About the only thing they can do to make Justice League live up to what it should've been is drop it and start doing some serious retooling of the idea... but more likely they'll probably just go, "Oh, what, you didn't want to see Justice League? Well how about if we add that guy from that bomb of a movie we put out in 2011!"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 2:58:28 GMT -5
Oof. Not even breaching $100M. I looked back to see how much Guardians Vol 1 made, because I was sure they did as well or better, and I was close: $94 million weekend box office. From a general film standpoint, that's nothing to scoff at, but I don't know how much the film cost to produce. Besides that, though, if you would have told me the first ever Justice League movie would fare only slightly better than the Guardians of the Galaxy's first cinematic outing, and get trounced by their second, first I would have asked you "who the hell are the Guardians of the Galaxy?" Then, I would Google it (Google is free ), come back, and have a sensible chuckle because no way in a Jamaican's tank top are the most famous superheroes in the world (and Cyborg) facing a challenge from a talking tree and a renegade raccoon. It really can't be understated how badly Warner Bros screwed the pooch with this one. To be exact - Justice League did $93.842 million, Guardians of the Galaxy did $94.32 million. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman lost to a talking raccoon.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 21, 2017 3:02:28 GMT -5
I looked back to see how much Guardians Vol 1 made, because I was sure they did as well or better, and I was close: $94 million weekend box office. From a general film standpoint, that's nothing to scoff at, but I don't know how much the film cost to produce. Besides that, though, if you would have told me the first ever Justice League movie would fare only slightly better than the Guardians of the Galaxy's first cinematic outing, and get trounced by their second, first I would have asked you "who the hell are the Guardians of the Galaxy?" Then, I would Google it (Google is free ), come back, and have a sensible chuckle because no way in a Jamaican's tank top are the most famous superheroes in the world (and Cyborg) facing a challenge from a talking tree and a renegade raccoon. It really can't be understated how badly Warner Bros screwed the pooch with this one. To be exact - Justice League did $93.842 million, Guardians of the Galaxy did $94.32 million. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman lost to a talking raccoon.A just as crazy perspective is that Deadpool beat BvS.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 21, 2017 5:51:10 GMT -5
For all the criticisms that Snyder and his vision have received, the worst scene in this movie was undoubtedly written and shot by Whedon's hypocritical ass. The scene where Barry fell on Diana's tits like he was Austin Powers and she was Heather Graham.
I rolled my eyes so hard my head hurt.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 21, 2017 8:13:27 GMT -5
WB, lol
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Post by ronin705 on Nov 21, 2017 8:40:56 GMT -5
The thing about Thanos is where to after him, Aren't most of the most powerful villains under X-men & F4* (Apocalypse, Galactus, Doom) Dormammu is really the only one I can think of *I'm spotty on who owns what though If they can somehow gets the right to F4's universe then that sorts a ton of issues out Well, there's always a returning Red Skull and a proper Mandarin. Avengers - Masters of Evil, Kang, count Nefaria (how you make him interesting is beyond me), Cthon(if you wanted a Wanda spotlight/ dark magic pietro rez), They can even go the whole "Secret" route whether it's skrulls or hydra cap. Spider (if Sony doesn't completely bastardize his rogues) - Hobgoblin,Mr negative, Phil Urich Green Goblin (though that'd mean they'd have to acknowledge the Netflix heroes as well), Spot, the comedic sinister six (Silvermane, lady beetle, etc), Mysterious, Jackal (I want it so Andre Garfield can be Ben, and Tobey can be Kaine) So still a lot of options without needing the fox stuff
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 21, 2017 8:54:15 GMT -5
As much as I liked JL, I'll admit it felt a bit dated. The buildup felt like a superhero film from 2008, a period before Marvel's runaway success. This was back when just making a superhero film where the characters felt recognizable was an accomplishment. Dark Knight was awesome, but it was also a breakthrough.
Then Marvel changed the game by being more confident about the fact they're writing comic characters. They're more comfortable spinning them off into different genres- political thrillers with Cap, space operas with the Guardians and Thor, a high school comedy with Spider-Man, a heist film with Ant-Man, etc.
It's as if the Warner execs are behind in their approach to these films, like they feel so long as certain characters are on the screen they'll rake in the dough, and that's not enough today. WW was an outlier because it felt so removed from the constantly changing mandates.
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Post by ronin705 on Nov 21, 2017 8:58:43 GMT -5
As much as I liked JL, I'll admit it felt a bit dated. The buildup felt like a superhero film from 2008, a period before Marvel's runaway success. This was back when just making a superhero film where the characters felt recognizable was an accomplishment. Dark Knight was awesome, but it was also a breakthrough. Then Marvel changed the game by being more confident about the fact they're writing comic characters. They're more comfortable spinning them off into different genres- political thrillers with Cap, space operas with the Guardians and Thor, a high school comedy with Spider-Man, a heist film with Ant-Man, etc. It's as if the Warner execs are behind in their approach to these films, like they feel so long as certain characters are on the screen they'll rake in the dough, and that's not enough today. WW was an outlier because it felt so removed from the constantly changing mandates. That's why I think the next WW should be Diana, John Stewart (Morris chestnut), superglue (Chloe moretz) , and booster gold (Ryan gosling) take the fight to apokolips on some Thor Ragnar OK stuff. Take on Big Barda and the Furies, maybe make Darkseid appear to kick off their own Thanos overarching deal
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Nov 21, 2017 8:58:57 GMT -5
I looked back to see how much Guardians Vol 1 made, because I was sure they did as well or better, and I was close: $94 million weekend box office. From a general film standpoint, that's nothing to scoff at, but I don't know how much the film cost to produce. Besides that, though, if you would have told me the first ever Justice League movie would fare only slightly better than the Guardians of the Galaxy's first cinematic outing, and get trounced by their second, first I would have asked you "who the hell are the Guardians of the Galaxy?" Then, I would Google it (Google is free ), come back, and have a sensible chuckle because no way in a Jamaican's tank top are the most famous superheroes in the world (and Cyborg) facing a challenge from a talking tree and a renegade raccoon. It really can't be understated how badly Warner Bros screwed the pooch with this one. To be exact - Justice League did $93.842 million, Guardians of the Galaxy did $94.32 million. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman lost to a talking raccoon.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 21, 2017 10:29:37 GMT -5
I too believe Chloe Moretz has the charisma of glue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:47:09 GMT -5
So how much damage has been done to these characters, besides Diana? Some are suggesting this effort of a movie universe has hurt the characters worse than batman and robin
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Post by ronin705 on Nov 21, 2017 12:05:22 GMT -5
So how much damage has been done to these characters, besides Diana? Some are suggesting this effort of a movie universe has hurt the characters worse than batman and robin Aquaman = complete frat boy, didn't show him talking to any sealife Flash = borderline asperger's level of awkwardness. Comedic personality is more like Wally than Barry Cyborg = ..ehhh, this was pretty spot on. Hates dad for transformation, learns powers as he goes, could've used being on the titans first, but they need to be CANON wonder woman = underutilized, though I feel she was the "heart" of the collective. I legit didn't pay attention to the change in Amazon attire, was too blown away being amazed by their tactics even when losing. Batman = borderline suicidal at this point due to his own guilt. Though the DOS storyline DID kinda have him gown down that rabbit hole
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 21, 2017 12:17:39 GMT -5
They're going to have to hope that the word of mouth is relatively positive; it's what sunk Batman v Superman, it's what made Wonder Woman a huge hit. By the sound of things this might fall a bit in between, guess we'll see. I had that feeling when watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2 this year; it was a good movie, but Ego was such a big character, especially within the character arc of Peter Quill, that he felt like he should've been in the narrative for two movies instead of one (maybe waiting to reveal his villainous side until his second appearance). Yet, well, sure he played his role in the narrative, but his overall presence became much flatter than it should have been. Something that has bugged me with Marvel movies for awhile but was at its worst with Ego... What the hell makes Thanos, who's constantly just sitting around in his chair doing nothing but snarling, so scary when people are having to save the world on a constant basis? Ego was especially bad because nothing Thanos could do - short of if they actually adapt Infinity Gauntlet straight which they basically cannot do because it's really not at all an Avengers story and the heroes barely have anything to do with it - could possibly compare to the level of destruction Ego was prepared to carry out. It was especially stupid when at the end of GotG2 everyone's going, "Yeah, we did it, we stopped a god! ... But we can't possibly beat Thanos. Just too scary." Yeah, once it was revealed that Ego's plan was a big, all-encompassing "this threatens the entire universe" thing I remember feeling like my eyes would roll all the way to the back of my head. I'm really tired of stuff like that, especially when, yeah, the big movies with villains like Thanos (or if they ever get to Darkseid with DC) are the ones with apocalyptic overtones, and now they'll just feel kind of old hat.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 21, 2017 12:28:30 GMT -5
They're going to have to hope that the word of mouth is relatively positive; it's what sunk Batman v Superman, it's what made Wonder Woman a huge hit. By the sound of things this might fall a bit in between, guess we'll see. Something that has bugged me with Marvel movies for awhile but was at its worst with Ego... What the hell makes Thanos, who's constantly just sitting around in his chair doing nothing but snarling, so scary when people are having to save the world on a constant basis? Ego was especially bad because nothing Thanos could do - short of if they actually adapt Infinity Gauntlet straight which they basically cannot do because it's really not at all an Avengers story and the heroes barely have anything to do with it - could possibly compare to the level of destruction Ego was prepared to carry out. It was especially stupid when at the end of GotG2 everyone's going, "Yeah, we did it, we stopped a god! ... But we can't possibly beat Thanos. Just too scary." Yeah, once it was revealed that Ego's plan was a big, all-encompassing "this threatens the entire universe" thing I remember feeling like my eyes would roll all the way to the back of my head. I'm really tired of stuff like that, especially when, yeah, the big movies with villains like Thanos (or if they ever get to Darkseid with DC) are the ones with apocalyptic overtones, and now they'll just feel kind of old hat. Civil War was certainly refreshing in that respect
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 21, 2017 13:39:04 GMT -5
As much as I liked JL, I'll admit it felt a bit dated. The buildup felt like a superhero film from 2008, a period before Marvel's runaway success. This was back when just making a superhero film where the characters felt recognizable was an accomplishment. Dark Knight was awesome, but it was also a breakthrough. Then Marvel changed the game by being more confident about the fact they're writing comic characters. They're more comfortable spinning them off into different genres- political thrillers with Cap, space operas with the Guardians and Thor, a high school comedy with Spider-Man, a heist film with Ant-Man, etc. It's as if the Warner execs are behind in their approach to these films, like they feel so long as certain characters are on the screen they'll rake in the dough, and that's not enough today. WW was an outlier because it felt so removed from the constantly changing mandates. That's why I think the next WW should be Diana, John Stewart (Morris chestnut), superglue (Chloe moretz) , and booster gold (Ryan gosling) take the fight to apokolips on some Thor Ragnar OK stuff. Take on Big Barda and the Furies, maybe make Darkseid appear to kick off their own Thanos overarching deal Cast Jason Mitchell as John Stewart and it'll be raining dead presidents.
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Post by ronin705 on Nov 21, 2017 15:20:00 GMT -5
That's why I think the next WW should be Diana, John Stewart (Morris chestnut), superglue (Chloe moretz) , and booster gold (Ryan gosling) take the fight to apokolips on some Thor Ragnar OK stuff. Take on Big Barda and the Furies, maybe make Darkseid appear to kick off their own Thanos overarching deal Cast Jason Mitchell as John Stewart and it'll be raining dead presidents. As long as he grows the iconic goatee lol
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Post by Psy on Nov 21, 2017 18:03:58 GMT -5
It was okay. Nothing special, which is really sad considering how much people wanted a Justice League movie (just not necessarily this Justice League) but it's not like it's absolutely terrible.
The CGI was unbelievably bad in places. By "in places" I specifically mean everything involving the villain.
And Flash runs like a person asked to run in slow motion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 18:13:35 GMT -5
It was okay. Nothing special, which is really sad considering how much people wanted a Justice League movie (just not necessarily this Justice League) but it's not like it's absolutely terrible. The CGI was unbelievably bad in places. By "in places" I specifically mean everything involving the villain. And Flash runs like a person asked to run in slow motion. Flash. Flash runs like a person who's doing charades of ice skating.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 21, 2017 18:49:51 GMT -5
I too believe Chloe Moretz has the charisma of glue. Hey, she was awesome in Kick Ass.
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