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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 16:09:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I've seen that. I've also seen a lot of people blaming Whedon... and demanding they release Zack Snyder's Cut... despite there being no Zack Snyder cut since he didn't get a chance to Edit... that was the point. Not to mention Snyder giving his blessing to Whedon's cut. Don't let that get in the way of edgelord brats crying about how BvS was the greatest piece of cinema ever and how people who like Marvel films are the problem. MARFAAAAAAAAA Or Rotten Tomatoes having an agenda against Warner Bros., despite the site being owned and operated by Warner Bros. Shockingly they can't wrap their heads around the concept that this isn't the mid-'90s any more and having characters that look like they do in the comics isn't the most that audiences should expect and settle for from comic book movies. The genie is out of the bottle - Marvel embraced what they are and gave us comic book movies that are more or less comic book pages come to life. WB/DC continue to operate under some misguided notion that comic books are for kids and they have to make the movies more grown up. No. Stop that shit. Justice League isn't a terrible movie, but it's completely unsatisfactory in 2017. If this was released in 1995, people would've loved it, because comic book movies were a novelty back then, and something that was a half-accurate representation of what we read was better than no representation.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 25, 2017 16:38:49 GMT -5
Don't let that get in the way of edgelord brats crying about how BvS was the greatest piece of cinema ever and how people who like Marvel films are the problem. MARFAAAAAAAAA Or Rotten Tomatoes having an agenda against Warner Bros., despite the site being owned and operated by Warner Bros. Shockingly they can't wrap their heads around the concept that this isn't the mid-'90s any more and having characters that look like they do in the comics isn't the most that audiences should expect and settle for from comic book movies. The genie is out of the bottle - Marvel embraced what they are and gave us comic book movies that are more or less comic book pages come to life. WB/DC continue to operate under some misguided notion that comic books are for kids and they have to make the movies more grown up. No. Stop that shit. Justice League isn't a terrible movie, but it's completely unsatisfactory in 2017. If this was released in 1995, people would've loved it, because comic book movies were a novelty back then, and something that was a half-accurate representation of what we read was better than no representation. This is why I hate Kevin Smith's defense of the DCEU movies of "Look, when it was 1989, we were lucky to even GET a Batman movie". It's not 1989. Give me what's in the comics, on the screen. And if you say the words "deconstruction", I'm glad to see you on the outside looking in.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 25, 2017 16:42:21 GMT -5
WB should bring Tim Burton back. Do a Batman movie with an old Michael Keaton training a new Batman.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 25, 2017 16:44:31 GMT -5
WB should bring Tim Burton back. Do a Batman movie with an old Michael Keaton training a new Batman. Tim Burton put guns on the Batwing, so pass.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 16:45:01 GMT -5
Or Rotten Tomatoes having an agenda against Warner Bros., despite the site being owned and operated by Warner Bros. Shockingly they can't wrap their heads around the concept that this isn't the mid-'90s any more and having characters that look like they do in the comics isn't the most that audiences should expect and settle for from comic book movies. The genie is out of the bottle - Marvel embraced what they are and gave us comic book movies that are more or less comic book pages come to life. WB/DC continue to operate under some misguided notion that comic books are for kids and they have to make the movies more grown up. No. Stop that shit. Justice League isn't a terrible movie, but it's completely unsatisfactory in 2017. If this was released in 1995, people would've loved it, because comic book movies were a novelty back then, and something that was a half-accurate representation of what we read was better than no representation. This is why I hate Kevin Smith's defense of the DCEU movies of "Look, when it was 1989, we were lucky to even GET a Batman movie". It's not 1989. Give me what's in the comics, on the screen. And if you say the words "deconstruction", I'm glad to see you on the outside looking in. It's telling that even Kevin Smith, who regularly gets paycheques from DC, has one of his closest (estranged) friends playing the role of his favourite comic book character, and is the world's easiest to please fanboy, has been lukewarm on Justice League and is ready to see WB/DC go back to th drawing board.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 25, 2017 16:47:57 GMT -5
This is why I hate Kevin Smith's defense of the DCEU movies of "Look, when it was 1989, we were lucky to even GET a Batman movie". It's not 1989. Give me what's in the comics, on the screen. And if you say the words "deconstruction", I'm glad to see you on the outside looking in. It's telling that even Kevin Smith, who regularly gets paycheques from DC, has one of his closest (estranged) friends playing the role of his favourite comic book character, and is the world's easiest to please fanboy, has been lukewarm on Justice League and is ready to see WB/DC go back to the drawing board. I didn't know that, after his glowing review of BvS and his awful episode of Supergirl that he shoehorned his terrible actress daughter into, I haven't listened to anything he's said about DC stuff in awhile. And I don't hate Kevin Smith at all, so it's not that. Well... maybe I hate post-weed cocoon Kevin Smith...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 16:50:16 GMT -5
WB should bring Tim Burton back. Do a Batman movie with an old Michael Keaton training a new Batman. Marc Bernardin suggested doing an Infinite Earths kinda movie with de1aged Keaton, Bale, Affleck, and a Tarkin-esque Adam West. I could kinda roll with that. Get a chiselled dude to play BTAS/Arkham Batman and have Conroy ADR the dialogue and call it a party.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 16:53:05 GMT -5
On the subject of Batman I'm really torn on the whole comic accuracy issue. Like I absolutely love the Burton and Nolan movies, and the 66 one, and I like Batman Forever (though that's mostly Carrey), but none of those are remotely true to the source material in terms of what they have within them and even counting animated stuff the only one I think has really nailed it is Under the Red Hood.
Though that said while Returns in terms of content is a total freaking mess where Catwoman is some bizarre bit of nonsense that's nothing like the source material in any way beyond the forbidden romance angle and Penguin is more like Killer Croc for some reason not being played as a physical threat, in terms of the tone and the visuals I think it nails the feel of what Batman is.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 16:53:14 GMT -5
It's telling that even Kevin Smith, who regularly gets paycheques from DC, has one of his closest (estranged) friends playing the role of his favourite comic book character, and is the world's easiest to please fanboy, has been lukewarm on Justice League and is ready to see WB/DC go back to the drawing board. I didn't know that, after his glowing review of BvS and his awful episode of Supergirl that he shoehorned his terrible actress daughter into, I haven't listened to anything he's said about DC stuff in awhile. And I don't hate Kevin Smith at all, so it's not that. Well... maybe I hate post-weed cocoon Kevin Smith... His exact words are "I like it, but I don't love it." This is the same dude who cried with joy during BVS, though he did change his tune about that movie later on. IRL stoner Kevin Smith is pretty tough to take seriously, I have to agree.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 25, 2017 16:55:03 GMT -5
I've said it before I firmly believe that there is an agenda by professional critics who are Pro-Marvel. I can agree that Justice League was rushed, a weak villain, and some obvious problems with the effects in general. But to say it's deserving of a 30 to 40%? While Thor: Ragnarok receives a 90%?
Come on now. I love Marvel as much as the next person, but for anyone to even suggest that Batman vs. Superman, Suicide Squad, and Justice League are the worst films ever is completely exaggerating and is presenting an obvious bias. I am all for having difference of opinions, that isn't my problem, the problem I am pointing out is "edgy fanboys" and "professional critics" who type up a review bashing a film while displaying an obvious bias, it spreads, and then viewers who read it buy into it and the film in question suffers.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 25, 2017 16:56:33 GMT -5
I haven't seen it yet (Going tomorrow) but DC/WB deserve this because so far they've half arsed this "Universe". For half-assing the job, they deserve a lot more. They deserve what's happening right now for the Knightmare scene alone. What was wrong with the Knightmare scene? It's obviously a homage to the Injustice storyline.
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 25, 2017 16:59:12 GMT -5
Even if I LOOOOOOOOOOVE a movie, I'm not seein it any more than twice in theaters. Six times? Are they nuts? I saw Star Wars Episode II in theaters seven times. I was 17 and had no bills, in retrospect I realize how excessive that is.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2017 16:59:44 GMT -5
Though that said while Returns in terms of content is a total freaking mess where Catwoman is some bizarre bit of nonsense that's nothing like the source material in any way beyond the forbidden romance angle and Penguin is more like Killer Croc for some reason not being played as a physical threat, in terms of the tone and the visuals I think it nails the feel of what Batman is. and I disagree with that. Mainly because I hated Burton's Gotham. It didn't feel like a large sprawling Metropolis like it's supposed to be. It seems like it spans about 3 blocks.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 17:14:15 GMT -5
On the subject of Batman I'm really torn on the whole comic accuracy issue. Like I absolutely love the Burton and Nolan movies, and the 66 one, and I like Batman Forever (though that's mostly Carrey), but none of those are remotely true to the source material in terms of what they have within them and even counting animated stuff the only one I think has really nailed it is Under the Red Hood. Though that said while Returns in terms of content is a total freaking mess where Catwoman is some bizarre bit of nonsense that's nothing like the source material in any way beyond the forbidden romance angle and Penguin is more like Killer Croc for some reason not being played as a physical threat, in terms of the tone and the visuals I think it nails the feel of what Batman is. It's forgivable if the movie works regardless of the changes to the source material. If you make a good movie that bears little resemblance to the source material you'll frustrate purists, but otherwise people will accept it. Make a bad movie on top of wholesale changes? Now you're pissing people off on both fronts. Hell, even when you make a good movie people will still get pissed if you make major changes to the source material. The Mandarin being a puppet creation ruined Iron Man 3 for a lot of people. The Ancient One not being an Asian stereotype made a lot of waves. The problem is DC have never really given us an "authentic" comic book movie since Christopher Reeve was wearing the cape. They've had their successes, but in the age where Marvel are virtually putting the pages of their comics on screen there's no excuse for DC to not be doing the same.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 25, 2017 17:30:54 GMT -5
For half-assing the job, they deserve a lot more. They deserve what's happening right now for the Knightmare scene alone. What was wrong with the Knightmare scene? It's obviously a homage to the Injustice storyline. Show me where in Injustice Bruce Wayne guns down dozens. The Knightmare scene is garbage, I'm glad it was thrown out. I hope whichever exec made that call cut the followup from the Justice League screenplay and lit it on fire in front of the Snyders because it was trash.
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Post by mo on Nov 25, 2017 17:37:20 GMT -5
That Knightmare scene might have been the best part of BvS. One of the only things I remember about that movie in a positive light at least.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 17:39:08 GMT -5
Though that said while Returns in terms of content is a total freaking mess where Catwoman is some bizarre bit of nonsense that's nothing like the source material in any way beyond the forbidden romance angle and Penguin is more like Killer Croc for some reason not being played as a physical threat, in terms of the tone and the visuals I think it nails the feel of what Batman is. and I disagree with that. Mainly because I hated Burton's Gotham. It didn't feel like a large sprawling Metropolis like it's supposed to be. It seems like it spans about 3 blocks. I loved Burton's Gotham. I think it absolutely nailed the perfect aesthetic for the kind of city Batman would exist in, but my word did the limitations of the set hurt it. The first had the Monarch Theatre in the back of almost every exterior shot, and the second felt like every inhabitant of Gotham not only knew each other on a first-name basis, but were present at the lighting of the Christmas tree.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 25, 2017 17:44:20 GMT -5
and I disagree with that. Mainly because I hated Burton's Gotham. It didn't feel like a large sprawling Metropolis like it's supposed to be. It seems like it spans about 3 blocks. I loved Burton's Gotham. I think it absolutely nailed the perfect aesthetic for the kind of city Batman would exist in, but my word did the limitations of the set hurt it. The first had the Monarch Theatre in the back of almost every exterior shot, and the second felt like every inhabitant of Gotham not only knew each other on a first-name basis, but were present at the lighting of the Christmas tree. I Love Burton's Batman, I even prefer it to Nolan's trilogy
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 17:47:36 GMT -5
I loved Burton's Gotham. I think it absolutely nailed the perfect aesthetic for the kind of city Batman would exist in, but my word did the limitations of the set hurt it. The first had the Monarch Theatre in the back of almost every exterior shot, and the second felt like every inhabitant of Gotham not only knew each other on a first-name basis, but were present at the lighting of the Christmas tree. I Love Burton's Batman, I even prefer it to Nolan's trilogy I rewatch Batman and Batman Returns more than Dark Knight or Rises, but for my money Batman Begins is the definitive Batman movie thus far.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 25, 2017 17:49:14 GMT -5
I Love Burton's Batman, I even prefer it to Nolan's trilogy I rewatch Batman and Batman Returns more than Dark Knight or Rises, but for my money Batman Begins is the definitive Batman movie thus far. I'll be honest I love Dark Knight, Begins was good but Rises was horrid. I still hold 89 as the definitive Batman
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