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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 25, 2017 17:53:08 GMT -5
I rewatch Batman and Batman Returns more than Dark Knight or Rises, but for my money Batman Begins is the definitive Batman movie thus far. I'll be honest I love Dark Knight, Begins was good but Rises was horrid. I still hold 89 as the definitive Batman Dark Knight is very good, but about the only parts of it I really watch any more are the Joker scenes. Come to think of it, same goes for '89.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 25, 2017 17:54:29 GMT -5
WB should bring Tim Burton back. Do a Batman movie with an old Michael Keaton training a new Batman. Tim Burton put guns on the Batwing, so pass. They all missed.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2017 19:47:23 GMT -5
Even if I LOOOOOOOOOOVE a movie, I'm not seein it any more than twice in theaters. Six times? Are they nuts? I saw Star Wars Episode II in theaters seven times. I was 17 and had no bills, in retrospect I realize how excessive that is. It's not even a money thing for me, I just can't see sitting through something that many times in that rapid a succession and not just bein bored to shit.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2017 20:37:16 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that.
I like all the portrayals though to be honest.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 25, 2017 21:05:15 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that. Pre-Mystery of the Batwoman BTAS is the perfect version of Batman. Then Bruce Timm let his disgusting creepiness out.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 25, 2017 22:03:11 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that. Pre-Mystery of the Batwoman BTAS is the perfect version of Batman. Then Bruce Timm let his disgusting creepiness out. A) Definitely B) He needs Paul Dini to keep him in check
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 25, 2017 22:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 25, 2017 22:09:58 GMT -5
WB knew they were in deep shit creatively after Man of Steel. That was an awful film and the worst possible base to build a shared universe. Now they don't know how to get out of it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 25, 2017 22:15:29 GMT -5
Tim Burton put guns on the Batwing, so pass. They all missed. The flame thrower he attached to the back of the Batmobile in Returns sure as hell didn't, though.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 25, 2017 22:17:44 GMT -5
Returns is just a weird ass movie even by Burton standards
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 25, 2017 22:24:12 GMT -5
I've said it before I firmly believe that there is an agenda by professional critics who are Pro-Marvel. I can agree that Justice League was rushed, a weak villain, and some obvious problems with the effects in general. But to say it's deserving of a 30 to 40%? While Thor: Ragnarok receives a 90%? Come on now. I love Marvel as much as the next person, but for anyone to even suggest that Batman vs. Superman, Suicide Squad, and Justice League are the worst films ever is completely exaggerating and is presenting an obvious bias. I am all for having difference of opinions, that isn't my problem, the problem I am pointing out is "edgy fanboys" and "professional critics" who type up a review bashing a film while displaying an obvious bias, it spreads, and then viewers who read it buy into it and the film in question suffers. Dude, I'm sorry, but you have to understand how sites like Rotten Tomatoes actually work. Thor didn't "get a 90%", JL didn't "get a 40%"; putting it that way makes it sound like critics are saying Thor was an A-level movie, or JL a D-level one. All it does is say what percentage of the reviews were positive. That's it. Many Thor reviews may simply be "it was alright", and something that lukewarm would count toward the 90%. It just so happened that Thor was such an agreeable movie that the vast majority of critics at least felt it was worth an "eh, pretty good". I wasn't blown away by it, but if I was being asked my opinion in a simple "good" or "bad" binary, I'd say it was good. Similarly, JL getting 40% or whatever doesn't mean the reviews were all "4 out of 10", it just means they might've been just as lukewarm as some of the positive Thor reviews, just in the negative direction. Given JL's obvious flaws due to its troubled production, many reviewers not being that into it can't be particularly surprising, but it doesn't mean they all hated it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 25, 2017 22:27:52 GMT -5
Returns is just a weird ass movie even by Burton standards If Batman Returns starred Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter, it would be peak Tim Burton. It would be the most Tim Burton movie Tim Burton ever made.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2017 22:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 25, 2017 23:16:23 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that. I like all the portrayals though to be honest. Mask of the Phantasm was my favorite Batman movie UNTIL Batman Begins came along. I also love all Batman movies. Even the shitty ones.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 25, 2017 23:17:52 GMT -5
The flame thrower he attached to the back of the Batmobile in Returns sure as hell didn't, though. Nor the bomb that he shoved into that one goon's pants.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2017 23:33:48 GMT -5
Outside of Adam West, none of the live action Batmen have been that worried about people dying. Even Bale had his 'I don't have to save you' moment with Ra's.
West avoided even lettin baby ducks die.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 25, 2017 23:55:22 GMT -5
Outside of Adam West, none of the live action Batmen have been that worried about people dying. Even Bale had his 'I don't have to save you' moment with Ra's. West avoided even lettin baby ducks die. Animated Batman even did that with Owlman
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 25, 2017 23:59:31 GMT -5
Also was kind of a asshole when Clayface was trying to cure himself
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 2:18:22 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that. I like all the portrayals though to be honest. I like Mask of the Phantasm fine but really the biggest issue with it for me is just that it honestly just doesn't feel like part of the DCAU. It really feels like just some unrelated thing happening to use the same designs and characterization with the only actual indicator it is canon being Phantasm randomly showing up in Justice League once. Granted I think one of the reasons I didn't quite get into the movie as much as most is I saw Under the Red Hood first, they hit on very similar themes, and I just happen to prefer it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 26, 2017 2:32:51 GMT -5
Also, Mask of the Phantasm is the definitive Batman cinematic portrayal. If you want the Platonic idea of Batman distilled perfectly, you're not getting better than that. I like all the portrayals though to be honest. I like Mask of the Phantasm fine but really the biggest issue with it for me is just that it honestly just doesn't feel like part of the DCAU. It really feels like just some unrelated thing happening to use the same designs and characterization with the only actual indicator it is canon being Phantasm randomly showing up in Justice League once. Granted I think one of the reasons I didn't quite get into the movie as much as most is I saw Under the Red Hood first, they hit on very similar themes, and I just happen to prefer it. I can understand that; to be honest I don't care about where it does/doesn't fit within anything. I honestly didn't even know Phantasm showed up again. I even sort of look at it as totally separate from ANY of the series. As a stand-alone Batman story I'm perfectly fine with it being completely cut off from anything. For my $, if you can have a perfect Batman that takes the best parts from any iteration of the character and you can say 'that's Batman'--then that's him. Red Hood was well done. I honestly just don't like bringing Jason Todd back, so I'm never gonna feel as strongly about it.
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