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Post by chazraps on Aug 4, 2016 15:06:49 GMT -5
I just didn't understand why the new Ghostbusters couldn't be a continuation instead of a reboot. How would that have made any sense with the story? Any continuation would have to already acknowledge that ghosts exists and those who bust ghost by trade are public knowledge as well.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 4, 2016 15:07:22 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. ...and upon the film's release, that original actor said he would have preferred Ricky Martin in the role. Not a joke.
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Post by Fade on Aug 4, 2016 15:10:10 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. ...and upon the film's release, that original actor said he would have preferred Ricky Martin in the role. Not a joke. Yeah, I recall him being bitter about the whole prodution. I guess he got the last laugh considering the films legacy. Odd name to throw out there, though, Mr. Living La Vida loca.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 4, 2016 15:27:49 GMT -5
I just didn't understand why the new Ghostbusters couldn't be a continuation instead of a reboot. How would that have made any sense with the story? Any continuation would have to already acknowledge that ghosts exists and those who bust ghost by trade are public knowledge as well. Could have easily been done. Hell I sketched out a plot for a hypothetical Ghostbusters III that would have fit perfectly into the stories portrayed in the first two films with no need for a "the public don't know" plot device.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 4, 2016 15:38:54 GMT -5
I was wondering what the reaction would be if they were to remake The Shawshank Redemption and cast a white Actor to play the role of Red. Considering in the original novella, Red was white, would there be a backlash? I know it's a cliche but I personally don't mind them recasting roles with different sexes or ethnicities as long as it's not just for the sake of it. Like when people say there should be a black James Bond or a female James Bond (or maybe even a black, female James Bond). I'm a huge Bond fan and I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it was done to add a new element to a character or story rather than just it coming across as "enforced Political correctness".
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Post by Shai on Aug 4, 2016 15:44:41 GMT -5
How would that have made any sense with the story? Any continuation would have to already acknowledge that ghosts exists and those who bust ghost by trade are public knowledge as well. Could have easily been done. Hell I sketched out a plot for a hypothetical Ghostbusters III that would have fit perfectly into the stories portrayed in the first two films with no need for a "the public don't know" plot device. Like I said they could have done almost the same movie said that this new team was a franchise of the original, added a cool training montage type thing for the cameos and gotten a hell of a lot more respect.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 4, 2016 15:51:31 GMT -5
I was wondering what the reaction would be if they were to remake The Shawshank Redemption and cast a white Actor to play the role of Red. Considering in the original novella, Red was white, would there be a backlash? I know it's a cliche but I personally don't mind them recasting roles with different sexes or ethnicities as long as it's not just for the sake of it. Like when people say there should be a black James Bond or a female James Bond (or maybe even a black, female James Bond). I'm a huge Bond fan and I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it was done to add a new element to a character or story rather than just it coming across as "enforced Political correctness". EON should consider a spin off series, either in film or television, based around a female 00 agent. Then they could explore an entire new character rather than fundamentally changing the nature of 007 by switching genders.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 4, 2016 16:05:43 GMT -5
I was wondering what the reaction would be if they were to remake The Shawshank Redemption and cast a white Actor to play the role of Red. Considering in the original novella, Red was white, would there be a backlash? I know it's a cliche but I personally don't mind them recasting roles with different sexes or ethnicities as long as it's not just for the sake of it. Like when people say there should be a black James Bond or a female James Bond (or maybe even a black, female James Bond). I'm a huge Bond fan and I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it was done to add a new element to a character or story rather than just it coming across as "enforced Political correctness". What was the new element that came from Bond being Scottish? Or blond? Both new changes. Both with no reason. But melanin needs justification?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 16:10:40 GMT -5
I was wondering what the reaction would be if they were to remake The Shawshank Redemption and cast a white Actor to play the role of Red. Considering in the original novella, Red was white, would there be a backlash? I know it's a cliche but I personally don't mind them recasting roles with different sexes or ethnicities as long as it's not just for the sake of it. Like when people say there should be a black James Bond or a female James Bond (or maybe even a black, female James Bond). I'm a huge Bond fan and I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it was done to add a new element to a character or story rather than just it coming across as "enforced Political correctness". EON should consider a spin off series, either in film or television, based around a female 00 agent. Then they could explore an entire new character rather than fundamentally changing the nature of 007 by switching genders. There was talk about doing that for Jinx after Die Another Day.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 4, 2016 16:26:39 GMT -5
Could have easily been done. Hell I sketched out a plot for a hypothetical Ghostbusters III that would have fit perfectly into the stories portrayed in the first two films with no need for a "the public don't know" plot device. Like I said they could have done almost the same movie said that this new team was a franchise of the original, added a cool training montage type thing for the cameos and gotten a hell of a lot more respect. How would that have been almost the same movie? Did you see it?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 4, 2016 16:31:47 GMT -5
EON should consider a spin off series, either in film or television, based around a female 00 agent. Then they could explore an entire new character rather than fundamentally changing the nature of 007 by switching genders. There was talk about doing that for Jinx after Die Another Day. Good thing they didn't. That character was awful. Rosamund Pike's character in that movie was better. That's what I generally have in mind. She should be an ice cold Brit. Give her a nice car, some gadgets and a willingness to clip bad guys in cold blood and it'd work.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 4, 2016 16:41:48 GMT -5
I was wondering what the reaction would be if they were to remake The Shawshank Redemption and cast a white Actor to play the role of Red. Considering in the original novella, Red was white, would there be a backlash? I know it's a cliche but I personally don't mind them recasting roles with different sexes or ethnicities as long as it's not just for the sake of it. Like when people say there should be a black James Bond or a female James Bond (or maybe even a black, female James Bond). I'm a huge Bond fan and I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as it was done to add a new element to a character or story rather than just it coming across as "enforced Political correctness". What was the new element that came from Bond being Scottish? Or blond? Both new changes. Both with no reason. But melanin needs justification? Because like it or not, to the general public there is a massive difference between changing the colour of a character's hair and changing the colour of their skin. Remember the backlash because Daniel Craig was blonde? Multiply that by a thousand if they made him black or female. If you're going to make wholesale changes beyond skin or hair colour to an established character, then at least give it a backstory or as I said, there will be more reason for accusations of "enforced Political correctness". I like any remake to have some justification to it and put their own stamp on it. I hate it when they pretty much make the exact same film and change the actors, that's just laziness. If you want to re-imagine a newer version of something, then at least put your own stamp on it. The film may not always be good but it's better than just saying here's the exact same thing but we changed one thing about a character.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 17:50:20 GMT -5
Fleming himself made Bond Scottish in the books, due to Connery portraying Bond. In fact, he's half Scottish, half Swiss in heritage.
Oh and there's a moment in the book version of On His Majesty's Secret Service where it mentions Bond's blonde hair, though Fleming would change it at times.
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Post by Crow Dust on Aug 4, 2016 17:55:01 GMT -5
They do it because they are either to lazy or incompetent to actually write something original so instead they ham fist them into pre made roles say job well done now wheres our good PR.
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Post by Cela on Aug 4, 2016 18:01:19 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but still connected. When it comes to race swapping, I just ask for consistency.
If Idris Elba is praised for playing a Norse god, but Gerard Butler is vilified for playing an Egyptian one. Or Hamilton being the greatest show in Broadway History with a large cast of minorities playing founding fathers, while Emma Stone playing someone who apparently looked a lot like Emma Stone in Aloha is a career torpedo. Something screwy is going on.
However, if the actor is the only reason the movie is made. Angelina Jolie in A Mighty Heart, Ben Affleck in Argo, etc... go for it. If Denzel Washington wants to do a movie where he's Ghengis Khan, and drops 40 million to do so. Sweet.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 4, 2016 18:10:07 GMT -5
Can anyone think of any examples of these types of switches that actually provided interesting storytelling options? I'm sure they are out there but I can't think of any. Usually it just seems like a pointless publicity stunt like with Ghostbusters, or is just a matter of casting a good actor for the part like Idris Elba in Thor. Elementary's {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Genderflipped Moriarty definitely added something, but you'd have to watch the show to really understand what.
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Post by Shai on Aug 4, 2016 18:18:35 GMT -5
Can anyone think of any examples of these types of switches that actually provided interesting storytelling options? I'm sure they are out there but I can't think of any. Usually it just seems like a pointless publicity stunt like with Ghostbusters, or is just a matter of casting a good actor for the part like Idris Elba in Thor. Elementary's {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Genderflipped Moriarty definitely added something, but you'd have to watch the show to really understand what. I just binged watch this and damn gender flipping Watson and (spoiler) works so damn well in that show that I'm starting to prefer it to Sherlock
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 4, 2016 18:26:42 GMT -5
It's been said to death, but since Ghost users came up I'll add one more time, that the casting was just one element in the negative perception for the film. But it was the response by the folks involved which insulted the very consumers you hope watch the movie. It then became about that. Studio double down but so did they fans. You know the scene in the second trailer where Leslie Jones's character insults an audience, and then when they don't catch her says it's either a race thing or a woman thing? Perfect microcosm. The new Star Wars film has a Black guy, a woman and a Guatemalan man as the three leads, and the trailers for it got the inverse ratio of likes and dislikes to GB2016, so I think the backlash is because they made a Bill Murray film into a Happy Madison film.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 4, 2016 18:29:01 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but still connected. When it comes to race swapping, I just ask for consistency. If Idris Elba is praised for playing a Norse god, but Gerard Butler is vilified for playing an Egyptian one. Or Hamilton being the greatest show in Broadway History with a large cast of minorities playing founding fathers, while Emma Stone playing someone who apparently looked a lot like Emma Stone in Aloha is a career torpedo. Something screwy is going on. However, if the actor is the only reason the movie is made. Angelina Jolie in A Mighty Heart, Ben Affleck in Argo, etc... go for it. If Denzel Washington wants to do a movie where he's Ghengis Khan, and drops 40 million to do so. Sweet. It's not screwy. People respond more negatively to white actors playing characters who were minorties otherwise because it makes the gap in media representation that much worse.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 4, 2016 18:46:44 GMT -5
What about Laurence Fishburne playing Perry White? I personally didn't mind that in Man of Steel. As for the Rocketeer, there could be something like this, as seen below.
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