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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 3, 2016 15:26:29 GMT -5
A novelty gimmick for the most part, with little or no social message behind it, or creative justification for it. You know that isn't true in the slightest. No. I don't.
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Post by Fade on Aug 3, 2016 18:45:01 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series.
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Post by Shai on Aug 3, 2016 19:19:01 GMT -5
Can anyone think of any examples of these types of switches that actually provided interesting storytelling options? I'm sure they are out there but I can't think of any. Usually it just seems like a pointless publicity stunt like with Ghostbusters, or is just a matter of casting a good actor for the part like Idris Elba in Thor. Eh, to be honest, most casting choices in general are just pointless publicity stunts. I mean, are you seriously gonna have me believe anyone casts Channing Tatum for his acting ability? That's just how it works. They gotta sell the movie to investors and different types of audiences. Are you gonna geta BAFTA award winning, theatrically trained high-caliber actor or a hunk with amazing abs and glutes that make you drool? It's all stunt casting at that level. But the Evil Dead movie was one film where they switched the leads with a female character and I think that was a great example of how to do a remake because while it had similar aspects, largely it was its own story (and it was actually written better than Evil Dead). Beyond GB, I can't really think of that many characters/remakes where a full on gender swap has happened. Maybe...shit, Bedazzled? I mean, Peter Cook was great, but Liz Hurley did a much better job as the devil to me. I dunno - people act like it happens every other movie, but I'm hard pressed to think of more than a dozen films where a race or gender swap of a lead character has happened. Unless you're talking about race swapping them for a white character, then the list goes on and on. Channing Tatum is actually a damn good actor when he feels like it the movie Foxcatcher is a wonderful example.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 3, 2016 19:29:18 GMT -5
Forget about changing Johnny's race. Making then teenagers was the change people should complain about Yeah, that definitely came off as "Look how young and hip they are!" I'll echo what someone else said about why couldn't they have just said that Mr & Mrs Storm were an inter-racial couple, rather than saying she was adopted. Sure, they look nothing alike, but when has that ever stopped Hollywood?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 19:42:06 GMT -5
Eh, to be honest, most casting choices in general are just pointless publicity stunts. I mean, are you seriously gonna have me believe anyone casts Channing Tatum for his acting ability? That's just how it works. They gotta sell the movie to investors and different types of audiences. Are you gonna geta BAFTA award winning, theatrically trained high-caliber actor or a hunk with amazing abs and glutes that make you drool? It's all stunt casting at that level. But the Evil Dead movie was one film where they switched the leads with a female character and I think that was a great example of how to do a remake because while it had similar aspects, largely it was its own story (and it was actually written better than Evil Dead). Beyond GB, I can't really think of that many characters/remakes where a full on gender swap has happened. Maybe...shit, Bedazzled? I mean, Peter Cook was great, but Liz Hurley did a much better job as the devil to me. I dunno - people act like it happens every other movie, but I'm hard pressed to think of more than a dozen films where a race or gender swap of a lead character has happened. Unless you're talking about race swapping them for a white character, then the list goes on and on. Channing Tatum is actually a damn good actor when he feels like it the movie Foxcatcher is a wonderful example. I can't speak to that one, but literally everything I've seen him he comes off way out of his depth as an actor, but really my point wasn't to bash Tatum - he's doing his thing and does it well, just that he's someone who is a good example of an actor who gets cast often because he's hunky. Not crapping on the guy by saying that, but if he's only a good actor "when he feels like it," then I doubt he's really being cast (most often) for his acting ability.
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Post by BRV on Aug 3, 2016 19:53:10 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. Not to derail this or turn it into a "Ghostbusters" thread, because we all know how well that ended, but all of the previous references brought up in this thread - from Will Smith in "Wild Wild West" to the 2013 remake of "Evil Dead" to countless others that people were totally and completely fine with - really leads me to believe that maybe that backlash against the "Ghostbusters" remake was actually just because the movie looked like ass. I don't remember there being 1/100th of the "WOMEN CAN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE" outrage or "YOU'RE ALL VIRGIN NERDS" backlash when the original casting decision was announced. It really only started when that first trailer dropped and people realized, "Yikes, this movie looks like it's going to suck something hard."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 19:55:53 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. Not to derail this or turn it into a "Ghostbusters" thread, because we all know how well that ended, but all of the previous references brought up in this thread - from Will Smith in "Wild Wild West" to the 2013 remake of "Evil Dead" to countless others that people were totally and completely fine with - really leads me to believe that maybe that backlash against the "Ghostbusters" remake was actually just because the movie looked like ass. I don't remember there being 1/100th of the "WOMEN CAN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE" outrage or "YOU'RE ALL VIRGIN NERDS" backlash when the original casting decision was announced. It really only started when that first trailer dropped and people realized, "Yikes, this movie looks like it's going to suck something hard." I think that the original Ghostbusters was more a part of people's youth (it was a bigger movie, had merchandise, etc.) for a certain demographic than the other movies you mentioned, so that played into it.
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Post by devondragon on Aug 3, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
I just didn't understand why the new Ghostbusters couldn't be a continuation instead of a reboot.
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Post by Shai on Aug 3, 2016 20:17:31 GMT -5
Channing Tatum is actually a damn good actor when he feels like it the movie Foxcatcher is a wonderful example. I can't speak to that one, but literally everything I've seen him he comes off way out of his depth as an actor, but really my point wasn't to bash Tatum - he's doing his thing and does it well, just that he's someone who is a good example of an actor who gets cast often because he's hunky. Not crapping on the guy by saying that, but if he's only a good actor "when he feels like it," then I doubt he's really being cast (most often) for his acting ability. He's definitely stuck in the hot buff guy pigeonhole. That actually made me sad after seeing Foxcatcher because the man CAN actually act. But it seems like the big studios don't want him for that. They just want the hot buff dumb guy.
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Post by Shai on Aug 3, 2016 20:19:11 GMT -5
I just didn't understand why the new Ghostbusters couldn't be a continuation instead of a reboot. I didn't understand why they just didn't use the original franchise idea probably would have been more acceptable to old school fans that way.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 3, 2016 21:27:48 GMT -5
It's been said to death, but since Ghost users came up I'll add one more time, that the casting was just one element in the negative perception for the film. But it was the response by the folks involved which insulted the very consumers you hope watch the movie. It then became about that. Studio double down but so did they fans.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 3, 2016 21:50:44 GMT -5
Okay, being that Wild Wild West was mentioned, as that was an adaptation of an old TV show, does anybody remember how in the original script to the third Batman film (And I mean the Burton/Schumacher series), that Robin was supposed to be played by Marlon Wayans? I think I read somewhere that he was not supposed to be Dick Grayson, either.
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Post by Fade on Aug 3, 2016 22:38:00 GMT -5
Okay, being that Wild Wild West was mentioned, as that was an adaptation of an old TV show, does anybody remember how in the original script to the third Batman film (And I mean the Burton/Schumacher series), that Robin was supposed to be played by Marlon Wayans? I think I read somewhere that he was not supposed to be Dick Grayson, either. Actually, Robin was planned to be included (and Black and played by Marlon Wayans) since Burtons first "Batman". He also, as er'ybody knows changed the race of Dent. As for Wild Wild West, I know George Clooney was supposed to play Jim West originally. Also of interest, Finns character in The Force Awakens, was planned to be White. I'd like to think Boyega was just right for the part, which I believe should always be the case. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 4, 2016 6:15:28 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. Not to derail this or turn it into a "Ghostbusters" thread, because we all know how well that ended, but all of the previous references brought up in this thread - from Will Smith in "Wild Wild West" to the 2013 remake of "Evil Dead" to countless others that people were totally and completely fine with - really leads me to believe that maybe that backlash against the "Ghostbusters" remake was actually just because the movie looked like ass. I don't remember there being 1/100th of the "WOMEN CAN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE" outrage or "YOU'RE ALL VIRGIN NERDS" backlash when the original casting decision was announced. It really only started when that first trailer dropped and people realized, "Yikes, this movie looks like it's going to suck something hard." Hey, you take your rational thought and get out of here!
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 4, 2016 7:50:00 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. Not to derail this or turn it into a "Ghostbusters" thread, because we all know how well that ended, but all of the previous references brought up in this thread - from Will Smith in "Wild Wild West" to the 2013 remake of "Evil Dead" to countless others that people were totally and completely fine with - really leads me to believe that maybe that backlash against the "Ghostbusters" remake was actually just because the movie looked like ass. I don't remember there being 1/100th of the "WOMEN CAN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE" outrage or "YOU'RE ALL VIRGIN NERDS" backlash when the original casting decision was announced. It really only started when that first trailer dropped and people realized, "Yikes, this movie looks like it's going to suck something hard." They weren't the majority, but there WERE a small handful of people who clearly, obviously didn't want it to be remade with female leads. And no, it wasn't fair for Sony or Fieg or whoever to double down on that idea and make it seem that was entirely why the backlash occurred, but people who felt that way do exist.
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Post by Jiren on Aug 4, 2016 8:06:44 GMT -5
I'm fine when they're not changing an established character's gender.
I was fine with Ghostbusters (till the trailer) because they weren't playing female versions of Venkman & co. Evil Dead was fine because she wasn't female Ash.
I'm fine with female spies, timeladies, Superheroes etc just either invent one or use an already established female character from the lore/Universe.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 4, 2016 8:08:54 GMT -5
Not to derail this or turn it into a "Ghostbusters" thread, because we all know how well that ended, but all of the previous references brought up in this thread - from Will Smith in "Wild Wild West" to the 2013 remake of "Evil Dead" to countless others that people were totally and completely fine with - really leads me to believe that maybe that backlash against the "Ghostbusters" remake was actually just because the movie looked like ass. I don't remember there being 1/100th of the "WOMEN CAN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE" outrage or "YOU'RE ALL VIRGIN NERDS" backlash when the original casting decision was announced. It really only started when that first trailer dropped and people realized, "Yikes, this movie looks like it's going to suck something hard." They weren't the majority, but there WERE a small handful of people who clearly, obviously didn't want it to be remade with female leads. And no, it wasn't fair for Sony or Fieg or whoever to double down on that idea and make it seem that was entirely why the backlash occurred, but people who felt that way do exist. I don't believe his point was that they didn't exist period. But that they weren't nearly as omnipresent as the internet tried to paint them. that said I tired of both sides arguments pretty quickly ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Bobeddy on Aug 4, 2016 8:16:26 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed to hear that Keith Stanfield had been cast as L in the Netflix Death Note movie. Simply as I love L's design with his ghost skin and deep black bags under his eyes and they won't be able to do that.
No biggy though, Stanfield's a fine actor so interested to see the spin they put on L. Interested to see a Western spin on Death Note as a whole.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 4, 2016 8:29:34 GMT -5
I'm fine when they're not changing an established character's gender. I was fine with Ghostbusters (till the trailer) because they weren't playing female versions of Venkman & co. Evil Dead was fine because she wasn't female Ash. I'm fine with female spies, timeladies, Superheroes etc just either invent one or use an already established female character from the lore/Universe. I don't really care if a character's gender is changed either. If their original personality is intact then it's alright by me. And again, for me anything that results in a more equal playing field can't be bad in my eyes.
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 4, 2016 11:25:17 GMT -5
All the Will Smith talk about Captain America/Superman/I Am Legend reminded me that he took thw role in Wild Wild West which was originally played by a white guy in the series. Wild Wild West is actually the perfect example of this thing creating new storytelling possibilities, as it created a racial element that Jim West was hit by from both the villains and other good guys, and was just not present in the original, but made total sense with it being set roughly 100 years before Civil Rights.
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