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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 3, 2016 4:14:15 GMT -5
Fictional characters its fine as long as the actor is good their race or gender shouldn't matter but hope this trend doesn't spill over into historical flicks or bios, got no desire to see a lady Churchill or a Chinese Muhammad Ali. Although even then you'd only apply it to recent history, casting a movie about Ancient Rome with only Italian actors is probably unrealistic. Also wish people would show some consistency, on my SM accounts anyway a lot of people who cheered female Ghostbusters and a black Roland being cast were the same ones who lost their temper when Scarlet Johansson was cast in an anime remake. Please go back and read my first few posts.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 3, 2016 6:06:22 GMT -5
It's been happening longer than just this decade but the frequency has increased. I don't mind it in most cases but sometimes to me it comes off forced.
I am one of a low number of Dark Tower fans interested and excited about Idris Elba as Roland but blanched initially at Will Smith as Neville in I am legend. I watched and was finewith all of the changes they made bc it wasn't a direct adaptation and it was good
Ghostbusters just became a campaign from both sides. The director, actors etc should have taken the high road and not engaged in insulting people who reacted negatively to the film. Leslie Jones and McCarthy get a pass on the replies due to those to getting the bulk of the complete asshole responses on Twitter
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 3, 2016 6:27:51 GMT -5
It's been happening longer than just this decade but the frequency has increased. I don't mind it in most cases but sometimes to me it comes off forced. I am one of a low number of Dark Tower fans interested and excited about Idris Elba as Roland but blanched initially at Will Smith as Neville in I am legend. I watched and was finewith all of the changes they made bc it wasn't a direct adaptation and it was good Ghostbusters just became a campaign from both sides. The director, actors etc should have taken the high road and not engaged in insulting people who reacted negatively to the film. Leslie Jones and McCarthy get a pass on the replies due to those to getting the bulk of the complete asshole responses on Twitter Leslie Jones' was pretty common knowledge, but this is the first I'm hearing about McCarthy getting harassed on Twitter, as well.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 3, 2016 6:33:50 GMT -5
Changing for the sake of changing is just stupid. "LOL. THOR'S A GIRL NOW." That's just silly. (granted, I know nothing behind this change, just using it as an example) But if done right, it can be a great thing. Take Samuel L. Jackson's portrayal of Nick Fury for example. I don't think Sam Jackson as Nick Fury counts since MCU Nick Fury is based on Ultimate Nick Fury who was based on....Sam Jackson. Though while we're on the topic, isn't Maria Hill Hispanic in the comics? Don't see anyone complain about that.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 3, 2016 7:11:55 GMT -5
Changing for the sake of changing is just stupid. "LOL. THOR'S A GIRL NOW." That's just silly. (granted, I know nothing behind this change, just using it as an example) But if done right, it can be a great thing. Take Samuel L. Jackson's portrayal of Nick Fury for example. I don't think Sam Jackson as Nick Fury counts since MCU Nick Fury is based on Ultimate Nick Fury who was based on....Sam Jackson. Though while we're on the topic, isn't Maria Hill Hispanic in the comics? Don't see anyone complain about that. most people don't care about unimportant characters, that goes for both sides
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Post by agent817 on Aug 3, 2016 7:47:45 GMT -5
I remember reading stuff many years ago how Will Smith was approached to play Superman, and I also think he was approached to play Captain America, too. I am not so sure if there was an uproar regarding that, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was. Then again, I remember some people considered Beyonce for the role of Lois Lane. I am not opposed to changing the main character into a black person, because all that matters is how the portrayal is. When the 2015 Fantastic Four movie was going to be released, many people were pissed about a black Johnny Storm. It would have made more sense if Sue was a black woman herself, but I guess it was written that he was adopted. I still have not seen the movie, so I don't know.
However, in regards to the 2013 Evil Dead, I remember seeing that movie once and enjoying it, but it has been a while. I don't know if there was any pandering to the protagonist being a woman, but I do remember the plot being similar to the original film. I might have to watch that film along with the original first film (Considering how the second one had the same plot to its predecessor).
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 3, 2016 7:59:28 GMT -5
I remember reading stuff many years ago how Will Smith was approached to play Superman, and I also think he was approached to play Captain America, too. I am not so sure if there was an uproar regarding that, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was. Then again, I remember some people considered Beyonce for the role of Lois Lane. I am not opposed to changing the main character into a black person, because all that matters is how the portrayal is. When the 2015 Fantastic Four movie was going to be released, many people were pissed about a black Johnny Storm. It would have made more sense if Sue was a black woman herself, but I guess it was written that he was adopted. I still have not seen the movie, so I don't know. However, in regards to the 2013 Evil Dead, I remember seeing that movie once and enjoying it, but it has been a while. I don't know if there was any pandering to the protagonist being a woman, but I do remember the plot being similar to the original film. I might have to watch that film along with the original first film (Considering how the second one had the same plot to its predecessor). It was written in that Sue was adopted, however, the director wanted to Sue to be black, as well, but the studio forced the actress on him. It was a source of drama between them during filming.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 3, 2016 8:15:40 GMT -5
I remember reading stuff many years ago how Will Smith was approached to play Superman, and I also think he was approached to play Captain America, too. I am not so sure if there was an uproar regarding that, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was. Then again, I remember some people considered Beyonce for the role of Lois Lane. I am not opposed to changing the main character into a black person, because all that matters is how the portrayal is. When the 2015 Fantastic Four movie was going to be released, many people were pissed about a black Johnny Storm. It would have made more sense if Sue was a black woman herself, but I guess it was written that he was adopted. I still have not seen the movie, so I don't know. However, in regards to the 2013 Evil Dead, I remember seeing that movie once and enjoying it, but it has been a while. I don't know if there was any pandering to the protagonist being a woman, but I do remember the plot being similar to the original film. I might have to watch that film along with the original first film (Considering how the second one had the same plot to its predecessor). It was written in that Sue was adopted, however, the director wanted to Sue to be black, as well, but the studio forced the actress on him. It was a source of drama between them during filming. I'm pretty sure it was always Trank's intention to cast a white girl as Sue. As he made multiple statements about blended families in the run up and with his usual outbursts I don't see him being that good of a liar. He just didn't want to cast Kate Mara, and from what I could find it was never released who he did want to play Sue (One account seems to say he didn't even know who he wanted to play her another said Fox weren't committed to his choices). Though even if they went with "His choice" I doubt he would have treated them better as he treated his choice for Mr. Fantastic like shit too... (including almost getting into a fist fight on set).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 8:29:13 GMT -5
It varies. There are times it's fine, and there are times when it doesn't work and really shouldn't be done.
One I'll throw out a nod to is Fantastic Four - my issue with that was never the idea of Johnny being black. That's fine, whatever. My issue is that they didn't also do it for Sue, instead tacking on a, "She's adopted," thing to avoid an interracial relationship. That's the kind of inclusiveness and change I don't like, when you're being blatantly obviously still racist about it and doing it in a, "Well, fine, this person's expendable, make them the black one," manner like that was.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 3, 2016 8:49:22 GMT -5
Forget about changing Johnny's race. Making then teenagers was the change people should complain about
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 3, 2016 9:25:16 GMT -5
Forget about changing Johnny's race. Making then teenagers was the change people should complain about Especially since they didn't look anything like Teenagers. But hte movie gets shit on for just about everything it tried and failed to do... there is that
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 3, 2016 9:35:34 GMT -5
Can anyone think of any examples of these types of switches that actually provided interesting storytelling options? I'm sure they are out there but I can't think of any. Usually it just seems like a pointless publicity stunt like with Ghostbusters, or is just a matter of casting a good actor for the part like Idris Elba in Thor. Ghostbusters wasn't an publicity stunt. It was an interesting refreshing different story. I don't know about interesting, refreshing or different, but I'll concede that there was a story (which as I recall would have worked identically if they were male or female, aside from the hunky secretary) The fact that the story wouldn't have changed at all if it were a male cast makes me highly doubt the initial decision for going with an all woman cast was anything other than a marketing hook. Maybe it's just Paul Feig enjoying working with McCarthy and going from there, but I'm guessing that someone at Sony made the call. A marketing hook isn't necessarily a bad thing if the movie is actually good.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 3, 2016 9:43:29 GMT -5
Ghostbusters wasn't an publicity stunt. It was an interesting refreshing different story. I don't know about interesting, refreshing or different, but I'll concede that there was a story (which as I recall would have worked identically if they were male or female, aside from the hunky secretary) The fact that the story wouldn't have changed at all if it were a male cast makes me highly doubt the initial decision for going with an all woman cast was anything other than a marketing hook. Maybe it's just Paul Feig enjoying working with McCarthy and going from there, but I'm guessing that someone at Sony made the call. A marketing hook isn't necessarily a bad thing if the movie is actually good. In the case of GB2016, I imagine it was all because of marketing on part of Sony, a genuine good intention to showcase female characters in fresh roles, AND Feig's chemistry with McCarthy. I don't think the people on any side getting salty about it realize how complex the motivation behind making the movie likely really was.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 3, 2016 10:40:30 GMT -5
Forget about changing Johnny's race. Making then teenagers was the change people should complain about Especially since they didn't look anything like Teenagers. But hte movie gets shit on for just about everything it tried and failed to do... there is that One of the problems that movie had was that Reed Richards was younger than the character actually is supposed to be. For as much crap as the 2005/2007 films get, at least Ioan Gruffudd actually had the look of Richards. I liked how the gray streaks were added to be true to the character. Miles Teller is only in his late 20's and that is a little young to be playing that character, unless it was supposed to be a different story of them starting out. As for Ghostbusters 2016, while I did like the movie and try to defend it in any way that I can (Of course there are people who didn't like it and that's okay, too), I can see why some people took issue with the casting of Chris Hemsworth as the receptionist. I know Janine in the original wasn't inept like Kevin was, and she wasn't eye candy either (Annie Potts was cute, but she didn't have the appeal that Sigourney Weaver had in that film). I can't argue with some people who made some points regarding that character, but I still thought his character was funny. I liked the movie, yes, but I do see some flaws that it had and again, I can't argue with some people's points about them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 11:23:52 GMT -5
It was written in that Sue was adopted, however, the director wanted to Sue to be black, as well, but the studio forced the actress on him. It was a source of drama between them during filming. Though even if they went with "His choice" I doubt he would have treated them better as he treated his choice for Mr. Fantastic like shit too... (including almost getting into a fist fight on set). That wouldn't have gone well at all. Mr. Fantastic can stretch his arms and make his fists into the size of walls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 12:59:49 GMT -5
Kinda only tangentially related, but I'd love to see a Lone Ranger movie with a black lead.
I was just reading that the character he's based off was actually a black cowboy but I can already hear people talking about, "It would fundamentally change his character if he were black!!!" for some reason. I've heard that excuse a lot about characters from back in the old days and it never really tracked with me.
Apparently HBO is working on a miniseries in that vein though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 3, 2016 14:47:20 GMT -5
A novelty gimmick for the most part, with little or no social message behind it, or creative justification for it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 3, 2016 14:48:57 GMT -5
A novelty gimmick for the most part, with little or no social message behind it, or creative justification for it. You know that isn't true in the slightest.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 3, 2016 15:06:23 GMT -5
Like you can't really have a character like Wolverine be black since the dude is like over 200 years old who fought in every American War including the civil war. Wolverine didn't fight in the Civil War - he wasn't even alive yet. He was born in 1880, 15 years after the Civil War. And even if he had been: ![](http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/gastudiesimages/Glory%20DVD.jpg)
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 3, 2016 15:10:53 GMT -5
Forget about changing Johnny's race. Making then teenagers was the change people should complain about They're based on the Ultimate versions, who ARE teenagers. And even then, Johnny was a teenager when the original FF first started (and there were hints that Sue wasn't that far away from being one, if she still wasn't).
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