Chikara Season 16 Thread 2: Post Season discussion

[gentlemaniac]

Nov 16, 2016 17:18:27 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Nov 16, 2016 17:10:07 GMT -5 gentlemaniac said:

at this point nothing... it's just a battle for hope if anything... Nazmaldun win they spread fear and darkness, Chikara win? Well it gives a bit of a happy feeling till they go and kill someone off

I was referencing this specifically:

The last vision shown is one that will forever haunt me. It is of what will become if Nazmaldun is not victorious in his war. It is a vision I will never speak of. It does not matter who or what is put in our path, every drop of blood in my body will be spilled to make sure it does not come true. If all the blood of The Eight must be spilled, so be it. All Glory Nazmaldun.

Thunderfrog is hammering someone then

[Mr T L Wolf]

So, CHIKARA Action Arcade Wrestling met it's funding goal at the last minute.

[lildude8218]

Did anyone see that post Dawn Marie made where she buried Quackenbush over firing Joey Styles?

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Nov 17, 2016 13:19:52 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Did anyone see that post Dawn Marie made where she buried Quackenbush over firing Joey Styles?

Yeah. She was as fired up as Tommy Rich. 

mobile.twitter.com/WWEDawnMarieECW/status/798784504961724417

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That cannot be real. After her Wrester's Rescue stuff, she has zero business calling out anyone.

[Apricots And A Pear Tree]

Nov 17, 2016 13:19:52 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

Did anyone see that post Dawn Marie made where she buried Quackenbush over firing Joey Styles?

Quack did

chikarapro.com/blog

Got a letter that was kinda angry, but also, kinda true.

It’s true that when I was first breaking on the East Coast independent scene I was different, and by wrestling standards of the day, small. I was 19 years old, dumb, gawky and immature; I liked weird wrestling styles and did overly-complicated moves and showed up in my pathetic homemade gear. People rolled their eyes, and I was often the punchline of jokes. In the locker room, it was always made clear I did not belong. I was made to know it backstage, and sometimes, made to feel it in the ring.

Back then, I was starting as a freelance writer for the wrestling magazines of the day. Insider newsletters were growing in popularity to keep pace with the Monday Night Wars, and the internet was expanding exponentially. I had connections in all those realms, and it’s true that I manufactured my notoriety. I manipulated every aspect of the media that was available to me for maximum exposure and coverage. I did it shamelessly. There’s no denying the truth of that.

It’s true that I was never one of the boys. The generation of pro-wrestlers, and managers, and valets, that think the only way to honor tradition and legacy is by clinging to the old ways of doing things…I will never be one of them. The performers who were hand-selected, because of their size and stature, and then afforded every opportunity at success by the old guard…I will never be one of them. That old paradigm has no room for an undersized nerd with a pathetic homemade costume and weird ideas about “the business." For that reason, and for so many more, I will never be one of them. It’s so true.

I think about the favored few, those well-tanned guys and their awesome physiques, and those gorgeous ladies and their perfect poise, and me - the awkward neurotic freak in their midst. They were not my tribe. I’ve always been a misfit toy and no matter how hard I work, that will never change…and I guess in the intervening decades I forgot that. I needed to be reminded, and luckily, this letter said just that in explicit terms that could not be ignored.

Thank you. Thank you for reminding me not just that I am an outcast, but also the feeling of being ostracized. You’ve given me new resolve. This simple reminder of the sting of exclusion makes it so clear to me that pro-wrestling must grow to include everyone. These last couple days have been filled with impossibly complicated decisions and conversations, and I’d be lying if I said I haven’t second-guessed the things I’ve said and done. It’s been so hard. But nowhere near as hard as it was to swim with the sharks that mocked me, and pummeled me. Thank you for the insults and the lumps that have made me who I am today. Thank you for excluding me, so that I could grow up to learn the value of inclusion.

I’m not that gawky kid in the homemade gear anymore. And better still: I’ve found my tribe. Because I’ve spoken loud enough and often enough about what I believe professional wrestling can be, I’ve attracted a tribe all my own. So many misfit toys in one place, we are practically an island unto ourselves. We are not the hand-selected. We are not the favored few. We will never be one of them, and we wouldn’t have it any other way. I had only to read this letter, and then it Dawned on me: my responsibility is to manipulate and manufacture an island where no misfit toy will ever feel the alienation that I did.

Ideologies like the one in this letter, they are relics of the past. And yes, the old paradigm has written the history books. But the future? That is ours to write.

-MQ

also

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Mickie James had a classier post on her Facebook about the situation.

Mickie James
November 15 at 6:59am ·

Dear Joey Styles,
I want you to know that I love you. In the midst of all this ugliness surrounding you at the moment I think it's important you know that. From me and all your friends who you've helped throughout your career. How so many have forgotten that because they'd prefer to jump on the bandwagon to make themselves relevant is sad to say the least. I've known you for many years & you've always been nothing but respectful & loving to me. I've never seen you be disrespectful to any woman in the business. If anything you've always been so supportive & kind. I thank you for that. It's a shame that a JOKE, whether it be in bad taste or not, has been taken so far out of context. I'm curious as to what the lady involved thought of this whole thing. Because if it had been me, I would've popped because I understand comedic context. Call me old school but had you been a comedian, or an actor in a movie, everyone would've laughed. It's only because everyone is tiptoeing in this politically correct, sponsor endorsed, & way overly sensitive generation that it's been blown way out the water. Last I checked this is the wrestling business. A business where we have cursed, endorsed sexuality to all kinds of extremes, kissed asses, and even murdered on live tv, that a little political joke seems to be the least of offensive things done. I understand we are in a new era but for goodness sake let's not lose our sense of humor, or the sight of why we all fell in love with this business in the 1st place. That is to be a character, that can do and say things they would never do or say in real life. Because it's acting! Also, for all your "Friends" who have jumped on the bandwagon now that you've been "Fired", also a complete joke because you CAN NOT fire an independent contractor, they should be ashamed of themselves. Yes they have a right to their own opinion but we should also remember... people in Glass Houses shouldn't throw stones. That means pretty much everyone in this business as it's one of the dirtiest games ever played. That's my 2 cents... and it's worth exactly what you paid for it... but since everyone else seems to feel so important to throw out their public statements then why not. Lastly, I will say this again... I love you, I respect you, and I respect everything you've done for this business that I adore. This too shall pass...
Always your Friend,
Mickie James-Aldis

[Frizzle Fry]

Dasher picked thunderfrog and that make me think, if hallowickes last pick is...

SPOILER: Click to show

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SNOWTROLL !!!!

[Duke Cameron]

Guess Mickie won't be working Chikara again anytime soon.

[Chris Hammers]

Cornette talking about the Joey Styles situation, in the process, tearing apart Chikara and Quackenbush. Language warning is obvious.

[gentlemaniac]

Fun Filled Lucha Pajama party in Chicago!

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Nov 18, 2016 8:54:27 GMT -5 Chris Hammers said:

Cornette talking about the Joey Styles situation, in the process, tearing apart Chikara and Quackenbush. Language warning is obvious.

While I don't agree with his bashing of CHIKARA, I'm on board with his thoughts about the Joey Styles situation. Ppl are acting like Styles assaulted someone. I've seen a lot of reaction and I'll address a few points of interest with my own opinions, just to try and make some sense of some of this. 

Gabe says he fired Styles for getting political when he asked him not to. Fair enough. I can't fault Gabe there. It was a tasteless joke that wasn't really "political" but I can't blame him when Styles is saying Gabe told him not to right there on the air but he went and did it anyway. 

This guy that buried him from FloSports that made it look like Styles lied about him being upset sounds like a misunderstanding to me. I think Styles apologized and this guy stated he was more concerned about Thatcher at the moment so I think Styles took it as he didn't seem bothered. Styles should've posted in his statement that he didn't seem upset instead of saying he wasn't. Now that guy has to make an issue of himself being upset to save face at the expense of Styles because he can't afford to upset the ppl that are offended or potentially his business partners to protect his own interests. Understandable, but also unfortunate due to the snowballing effect. 

CHIKARA decides to release this statement in the face of the situation: "Effective today, we are terminating our relationship with Joey Styles. Effective today, we are instituting a zero tolerance policy for misogynistic, racist, and/or homophobic speech, written or verbal, whether it’s directed toward our cast, our crew, or our patrons. This is the shape of CHIKARA."

That policy should've been in place already. In fact, CHIKARA already has a policy about keeping language clean at their shows and the fans there are very respectful. These things in their statement haven't been a problem at CHIKARA. To paint Joey Styles as the reason for this declaration only buries him further. In my opinion, it was a complete overreaction, especially with this incident happening outside of CHIKARA. 

I agree that ppl have piled on in this situation and I'm not a fan of self righteous lynch mobs that wait to be offended by something and then try to ruin someone's career. I agree with Cornette's take on those types of ppl.

Lastly, I don't think this was done entirely for the those that came out of the woodwork with their shovels. It's known that EVOLVE has a working relationship with the WWE and that CHIKARA has some kind of relationship with them now too. I'm sure Beyond Wrestling would like to as well, so I believe they all fell in line to protect those relationships with their reactions to the situation. I understand it, but I think it was executed poorly. 

[Lupin the Third]

Nov 18, 2016 8:54:27 GMT -5 Chris Hammers said:

Cornette talking about the Joey Styles situation, in the process, tearing apart Chikara and Quackenbush. Language warning is obvious.

Yeah I agreed with Cornette up until the point he just rants off the rails about Chikara and Quack.

At that point, I was like, "Alright, calm down, Jim. Go take your meds before you go all raging Grandpa on us again."

[Apricots And A Pear Tree]

Dashers last pick is Princess Kimber Lee, Hallowicked's 6th pick is Icarus.

[Frizzle Fry]

Nov 18, 2016 16:43:00 GMT -5 Apricots And A Pear Tree said:

Dashers last pick is Princess Kimber Lee, Hallowicked's 6th pick is Icarus.

There goes my hope for max to be on wicked team

[lildude8218]

R.I.P. Solo Darling

[Apricots And A Pear Tree]

Nov 18, 2016 16:59:16 GMT -5 lildude8218 said:

R.I.P. Solo Darling

She is gonna snort one of those giant pixie sticks and body slam him.

[gentlemaniac]

So could Chikara end up on Flo Slam?

[Feargus McReddit]

All these wrestlers saying that people shouldn't be jumping on Joey are missing the point.

Styles was asked specifically by his boss to not make a joke. He made the joke anyway. Thus, he was let go because the trust was gone along with potential trust of other employers.

And hey, Jim? You were the guy who slapped a man in the face for laughing at someone you wanted to build as a monster so in terms of overreactions, you pretty much have zero room to judge.

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Nov 18, 2016 20:13:33 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

All these wrestlers saying that people shouldn't be jumping on Joey are missing the point.

Styles was asked specifically by his boss to not make a joke. He made the joke anyway. Thus, he was let go because the trust was gone along with potential trust of other employers.

And hey, Jim? You were the guy who slapped a man in the face for laughing at someone you wanted to build as a monster so in terms of overreactions, you pretty much have zero room to judge.

And it is not like that was the first time either. He was fired from WWE for ignoring their wishes, suspended a once, forced to apologize a few times times for ignoring their wishes (usually political stuff as well) and he admitted to doing whatever he wanted in ECW because he knew Paul wouldn't fire him after their first fight in the early 90s. 

Joey is a screw up and has blown every chance he has gotten, to jump on people for terminating their working arrangements after coming to his rescue for yet another failure on his end shows the massive disconnect between fandom/friendship and good business. Call it whatever you want but these companies looked at Joey, his history and this latest screw up and decided his brand of idiocy and ego was not worth the trouble it'd bring.