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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 18, 2016 9:10:46 GMT -5
They weren't upset about the answers. Except for the answers they were upset about. It had to be Vince making those questions. If I were Ambrose, I would have refused to answer anything. Plead the 5th. They're terrible questions and it looked more like an attempt to embarrass him. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 18, 2016 10:10:59 GMT -5
The Austin podcast has become so pathetic now. Like how they wouldn't let Big Show drink a beer without hiding under a towel, yet sitting opposite him is a man who has built a character partly out of drinking beer, videos of which are all over the network. Surprised that I never heard of any heat on Show afterwards because he said he'd been booked like shit ever since he jumped from WCW. If you're going to do a podcast where people can't say what they want, then script them. And then cancel the show immediately. For all the 'iron clad contract' jokes... Big Show is iron clad. They need him more than he needs them. He's a unique talent, a millionaire, and he says yes to whatever they ask him to do. What are they going to do, just find another Giant with 20 years experience, great mic skills, popularity and locker room respect? |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 18, 2016 10:27:47 GMT -5
What's even more f***ed up is this. If something happens to Ambrose... Brock genuinely doesn't give a f***. I find it hilarious. That said, I completely understand why Brad Maddox would get fired for that and Brock or Cena wouldn't. I mean yeah Brock should be reprimanded, but he doesn't give a f*** about anything so what would that achieve? And in truth, he shouldn't be punished as harshly because he has been a top star for so long. Obviously some people should be respected top guys that aren't, but when it's the difference between Brad 'wouldn't main event if he fought his brother in his own living room' Maddox getting fired and Brock f***ing Lesnar or John f***ing Cena, I completely understand that politics. There's a ton of new people on my team at work, I've been here four years, you better believe I have better pull in this office than they do and it's not politicking, it's because I'm a proven quantity. |
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Post by saintpat on Aug 18, 2016 10:33:05 GMT -5
Remember when the story used to be that Vince loved guys that would stand up to him? Standing up to him personally, face to face backstage or in an office or whatever, is far different than using a public forum (given to him by WWE) to criticize/trash/throw under the bus. The former probably does garner respect, the latter not so much -- particularly if Dean hadn't voiced these things to his face in previous opportunities when he had the chance to do so. I'm guessing the WWE brass looks at it more like this: they've put the strap on Dean, are giving him his mega-push, put him in the spotlight and are watching closely to see how he handles it, whether they think he has what it takes to be The Guy. That role includes going on Good Morning America and ESPN and radio shows, etc., where there might be hard questions and curveball questions, and they need to know The Guy isn't going to get rattled or tricked into saying something that sends a negative message ("The company I work for, I appreciate all the money and being the champ, but how they do things really sucks" is not a positive message). Just because the character is a loose cannon doesn't mean they don't expect the actual person to not have some sort of filter -- the same things can be said without coming off as a direct criticism that ruffles feathers. And there's also just common sense on a personal level: If I work with someone (as Dean works with creative and the writers) and that person goes out and throws me under the bus in public, and then the next day or a few days later we're sitting down to work on a script or kick around ideas for an angle, I'm not as likely to want to say, "Never mind the fact that the guy just said I'm an idiot to the whole world, I respect the fact that he spoke his mind in public rather than to me in a private setting, I'm going to play nice and help him in every way I can." Those of you who work for a living, tell me how that would work with you -- how many coworkers do you have that trash you and you're reaction is "Well, dude sure speaks his mind: RESPECT!!!"  |
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Post by abjordans on Aug 18, 2016 10:34:12 GMT -5
Seriously, why does everyone take Meltzer at face value? He gets worked routinely by his "sources". The thought that Ziggler might go over for the title because of some "backstage heat" on a guy who makes Bob Backlund look like Ric Flair is going to get Meltzer's target audience all sorts of riled up and willing to watch the show (or, you know, even try out WWE Network for a month). Are you saying that Dean Ambrose is boring? |
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 18, 2016 10:42:14 GMT -5
Seriously, why does everyone take Meltzer at face value? He gets worked routinely by his "sources". The thought that Ziggler might go over for the title because of some "backstage heat" on a guy who makes Bob Backlund look like Ric Flair is going to get Meltzer's target audience all sorts of riled up and willing to watch the show (or, you know, even try out WWE Network for a month). This is another case of people getting up in arms over something Meltzer hasn't actually said, rather over conclusions they have drawn themselves from something Meltzer said. If you look at what he reported it is just 'some people are unhappy about what Ambrose said on the podcast', which seems fairly expected and likely, if people leap from that to 'This means that Dolph is going to beat Dean for the belt!' then that is their problem and not Meltzer's. I understand speculating about what the consequences of the heat might be but let's not put words in the man's mouth and then try and use those to discredit him. Exactly. Ambrose himself is one of Hunter's guys. If he or Vince were that ticked off over the podcast, nothing would have stopped them from booking Ambrose in a Championship match with Ziggler or someone else on Tuesday. This is just another example of people reading too much into what's still basically a rumor. Nothing about what Meltz said stated anything about Hunter or Vince being angry, just some "officials" likely Vince's yes-men producers. Of course guys like them are going to be scared of anything they think will somehow affect their stocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 10:42:30 GMT -5
What's even more f***ed up is this. If something happens to Ambrose... Brock genuinely doesn't give a f***. I find it hilarious. That said, I completely understand why Brad Maddox would get fired for that and Brock or Cena wouldn't. I mean yeah Brock should be reprimanded, but he doesn't give a f*** about anything so what would that achieve? And in truth, he shouldn't be punished as harshly because he has been a top star for so long. Obviously some people should be respected top guys that aren't, but when it's the difference between Brad 'wouldn't main event if he fought his brother in his own living room' Maddox getting fired and Brock f***ing Lesnar or John f***ing Cena, I completely understand that politics. There's a ton of new people on my team at work, I've been here four years, you better believe I have better pull in this office than they do and it's not politicking, it's because I'm a proven quantity. I can understand is Maddox would get punished for it. Ambrose is a different story though. He's a headliner and he's been main eventing since he debuted. He's their lead champion at the moment. We'll see what happens if Ambrose gets punished. Personally, since Vince and Trips seem ok with him and they like him I doubt he'll be punished but we'll see what happens. Since the podcast he's been booked fine. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 18, 2016 10:51:29 GMT -5
Brock genuinely doesn't give a f***. I find it hilarious. That said, I completely understand why Brad Maddox would get fired for that and Brock or Cena wouldn't. I mean yeah Brock should be reprimanded, but he doesn't give a f*** about anything so what would that achieve? And in truth, he shouldn't be punished as harshly because he has been a top star for so long. Obviously some people should be respected top guys that aren't, but when it's the difference between Brad 'wouldn't main event if he fought his brother in his own living room' Maddox getting fired and Brock f***ing Lesnar or John f***ing Cena, I completely understand that politics. There's a ton of new people on my team at work, I've been here four years, you better believe I have better pull in this office than they do and it's not politicking, it's because I'm a proven quantity. I can understand is Maddox would get punished for it. Ambrose is a different story though. He's a headliner and he's been main eventing since he debuted. He's their lead champion at the moment. We'll see what happens if Ambrose gets punished. Personally, since Vince and Trips seem ok with him and they like him I doubt he'll be punished but we'll see what happens. Since the podcast he's been booked fine. I don't think anything's going to happen to Ambrose. As indicated in the thread, this is us exaggerating a response to a backstage newz tidbit that could well be taken out of context or flat out incorrect anyway. |
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 18, 2016 10:55:52 GMT -5
I'm sure the podcast pissed a few off. The guy is the champion/"face of the company" right now and he came off pretty poor in a lot of people's eyes. I don't expect him to be severely punished or anything, but I think the podcast hurt him in the eyes of important people behind the scenes. He could've went on the podcast and said Vince killed kittens and probably still would've defeated Ziggler at SummerSlam. Is he going to be squashed week after week? Of course not. But I do look for him to be pushed down the card for quite a while after he loses the title.
And as far as the Brock stuff is concerned, do you REALLY think Brock gives a damn about the WWE or anyone in it? Vince isn't going to do anything to him because (minus John Cena) he's the biggest star in the company. I'm sure Dean saying what he did about him didn't bother him. Mainly due to the fact he's completely forgot who Dean Ambrose is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 11:37:00 GMT -5
I can understand is Maddox would get punished for it. Ambrose is a different story though. He's a headliner and he's been main eventing since he debuted. He's their lead champion at the moment. We'll see what happens if Ambrose gets punished. Personally, since Vince and Trips seem ok with him and they like him I doubt he'll be punished but we'll see what happens. Since the podcast he's been booked fine. I don't think anything's going to happen to Ambrose. As indicated in the thread, this is us exaggerating a response to a backstage newz tidbit that could well be taken out of context or flat out incorrect anyway. Indeed. I mean how many champions who were liked backstage had heat during these past 6 or so years? A good amount of the. Most were fine. Needless to say I'd be surprised if anything major happens to Ambrose. He's just saying similar things that Rollins, Punk and many other liked guys have said. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 18, 2016 11:49:38 GMT -5
I'm sure nothing will come of this.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 18, 2016 12:04:29 GMT -5
I'm going off-topic a bit here but the whole "Lesnar/Cena can get away with anything" thing has always puzzled me. Has Cena ever done anything to "get away" with? They can't be that good at covering things up, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:05:33 GMT -5
I think it was a conspiracy set-up by stone cold
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:10:47 GMT -5
I'm going off-topic a bit here but the whole "Lesnar/Cena can get away with anything" thing has always puzzled me. Has Cena ever done anything to "get away" with? They can't be that good at covering things up, surely? Cena and Punk's piledriver stunt, accordingly to Meltzer, had Vince furious backstage. Nothing happened to them mind you. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 18, 2016 12:11:35 GMT -5
I'm going off-topic a bit here but the whole "Lesnar/Cena can get away with anything" thing has always puzzled me. Has Cena ever done anything to "get away" with? They can't be that good at covering things up, surely? only thing I could think of is stuff like them allowing him and Punk to do a piledriver spot. I'm going off-topic a bit here but the whole "Lesnar/Cena can get away with anything" thing has always puzzled me. Has Cena ever done anything to "get away" with? They can't be that good at covering things up, surely? Cena and Punk's piledriver stunt, accordingly to Meltzer, had Vince furious backstage. Nothing happened to them mind you. Blah beaten to it. I don't fully buy that though because they've had Cena take rare piledrivers before, like against Michaels at mania. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 18, 2016 12:11:50 GMT -5
Seriously, why does everyone take Meltzer at face value? He gets worked routinely by his "sources". The thought that Ziggler might go over for the title because of some "backstage heat" on a guy who makes Bob Backlund look like Ric Flair is going to get Meltzer's target audience all sorts of riled up and willing to watch the show (or, you know, even try out WWE Network for a month). I get what you're trying to say here, but something makes me doubt that anyone who's sitting on the fence about whether or not they should get the WWE Network has a subscription to the Observer. |
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Post by taker1990 on Aug 18, 2016 12:11:55 GMT -5
It also doesn't help that he knows his answers will be scrutinized, so he had to overthink everything he said. If he did go full shoot, his career would be over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 12:17:56 GMT -5
He's got the heat he's got the heat he's got the heat
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He's got the heat!
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2016 12:19:06 GMT -5
I'm going off-topic a bit here but the whole "Lesnar/Cena can get away with anything" thing has always puzzled me. Has Cena ever done anything to "get away" with? They can't be that good at covering things up, surely? only thing I could think of is stuff like them allowing him and Punk to do a piledriver spot. Cena and Punk's piledriver stunt, accordingly to Meltzer, had Vince furious backstage. Nothing happened to them mind you. Blah beaten to it.
I don't fully buy that though because they've had Cena take rare piledrivers before, like against Michaels at mania. Wasn't that technically before the pile-driver was outright banned? Like, I remember Mr. Kennedy of all people being allowed to piledrive Undertaker around the same time. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 18, 2016 12:20:50 GMT -5
Aren't you guys riling yourself up a little bit to much over what supposed heat Dean might have
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