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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 11, 2016 13:46:37 GMT -5
This was just a money grab by all parties involved, which in reality just robs UFC fans of a proper fight they shelled over money to see. But, that's business I guess. The irony is that one of the points that got Punk over in his feud with Cena was that Cena was given opportunities he didn't earn because he was in management's pocket. That argument has now come full circle. Also one of his real life gripes about part time people coming into the company and being handed opportunities from people more deserving. Which is exactly what this was. So does this mean he'll finally accept the green power ranger's challenge? Do you really want to see Punk die? Jeez. The Green Ranger has like 35 years experience. Call me a sadist, but Punk certainly looked like a putty patroller in that fight
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Post by Shai on Sept 11, 2016 13:48:06 GMT -5
Are you sure? The stunt of putting him on that night seemed just like wrestling to me. You're hot take on the situation is very unique but as far as I know UFC isn't pro wrestling. So yes I'm sure. Either way my original point was that people wanting Punk to get actually hurt was weird and sad. Your opinion on what a circus UFC was last night doesn't make it scripted fighting. I think there's a big difference between wanting someone to lose because you don't like how they present themselves and wanting someone to get truly seriously injured.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 13:50:37 GMT -5
People didn't want to get to see Punk injured or critically hurt. People wanted to see Punk get his ass kicked because he deserved a shit ton of humble pie calories.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 11, 2016 13:51:43 GMT -5
You're hot take on the situation is very unique but as far as I know UFC isn't pro wrestling. So yes I'm sure. Either way my original point was that people wanting Punk to get actually hurt was weird and sad. Your opinion on what a circus UFC was last night doesn't make it scripted fighting. I think there's a big difference between wanting someone to lose because you don't like how they present themselves and wanting someone to get truly seriously injured. True. Rooting against him is fine. Twitter was freaking me out with some of the vitriol
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Post by Shai on Sept 11, 2016 13:57:55 GMT -5
People didn't want to get to see Punk injured or critically hurt. People wanted to see Punk get his ass kicked because he deserved a shit ton of humble pie calories. This. Me personally I loved seeing punk get his ass whooped I don't have a real problem with what he said about WWE but his remarks to the fans yeah that pissed me off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 14:08:20 GMT -5
Honestly, the fight reminded me the first fight in "Here Comes the Boom" starring Kevin James. Same flashy music, same phony confidence coming in, some charging to the opponent only to get knocked out.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 11, 2016 14:21:39 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week.
We have to accept reality: no matter if you follow them on Twitter, watch them on various TV shows, or seen a dozen shoot interviews with them, the reality is that we don't know these people. These are people who come out of an industry that thrives on working the audience, even their online personas are often going to have worked elements to them. Go ahead and say "based on what I've seen and heard I'm not a fan"; go ahead and joke about things about the fight, it's honestly fine (to a point, I'm sure). But good Lord, there's way, way too much here of "good, he's a jerk anyway, I hope he's in pain today/loses his money in the lawsuit", or "she's so immature, she should do this with her life, instead", etc. etc. etc. Meantime, we don't know these people, don't know their families and friends, don't know their relationships with others, don't know what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what their relationship with the companies they work with might be, yet we've got people here speaking authoritatively about what's best for either of them, or even actively skirting the "wishing harm" rule at worst.
I couldn't care less how Punk performed; I rarely follow UFC, doesn't impact anything for me. I was a fan of the guy in ROH, but his life is his life, no real impact for me there, either. The guy clearly had something he wanted to do, got an offer to do it, so he tried and got beat down. Not terribly surprising, but there's not much to it beyond that. To piggyback on what others have said and what I said in the (w)rest section, if a Major League Baseball team approached me tomorrow and said "here's a big league contract, come play left field for us", you're damn right I'd take them up on it. I'd be a complete embarrassment, sure, but I'd try my best, train hard, and then get a bunch of money and benefits and the thrill of putting on a big league uniform and stepping onto the field at a big league ballpark.
"But he's a jerk on Twitter!". Ok, so don't follow him on Twitter. Boom, now you never have to hear from him again if you don't want to.
"But he shouldn't have been starting out in the biggest league for MMA so quickly!". Ok, take it up with Dana White and stop ordering his shows if he keeps doing reckless, carny shit like this.
Again, nobody cares if you're joking around; dude put himself out in public and got murked, jokes are inevitable. But this bitterness too many are showing, is it anger at people leaving WWE? Is it some need to feel connected to these people? Is it resentment at the way they talk on Twitter or on TV shows?
Because, honestly, it comes off as incredibly childish, and again, it doesn't help the general perception too many people have of wrestling fans. If Punk, Paige, or anybody were doing something that was actually hurting somebody else, then fine, I'd understand being angered. If Punk was taking to Twitter talking up how he'd take MMA by storm and started denigrating it, I'd understand people wanting to see him get some sense smacked into his head. If he was on Twitter calling for the harassment of others or something vile like that, then the indignation would have been earned.
But if you respond to not liking somebody's Twitter/online persona by loudly proclaiming "I hope this person actually gets hurt and embarrassed" instead of, say, just ignoring their Twitter account the way an adult would, then you can't suddenly act all stunned if people accuse wrestling fans of immaturity. Jokes are great; educated guesses aren't a terrible thing; prefacing statements with "based on what I know" or similar caveats is a decent thin to do. Going beyond that really reflects poorly on us, and on wrestling fandom in general.
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Post by Crimson on Sept 11, 2016 14:26:26 GMT -5
This gets 100 likes or there is no justice in the world! Hyperlink died, so I'm probably out of luck lol
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Post by Shai on Sept 11, 2016 14:35:58 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week. We have to accept reality: no matter if you follow them on Twitter, watch them on various TV shows, or seen a dozen shoot interviews with them, the reality is that we don't know these people. These are people who come out of an industry that thrives on working the audience, even their online personas are often going to have worked elements to them. Go ahead and say "based on what I've seen and heard I'm not a fan"; go ahead and joke about things about the fight, it's honestly fine (to a point, I'm sure). But good Lord, there's way, way too much here of "good, he's a jerk anyway, I hope he's in pain today/loses his money in the lawsuit", or "she's so immature, she should do this with her life, instead", etc. etc. etc. Meantime, we don't know these people, don't know their families and friends, don't know their relationships with others, don't know what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what their relationship with the companies they work with might be, yet we've got people here speaking authoritatively about what's best for either of them, or even actively skirting the "wishing harm" rule at worst. I couldn't care less how Punk performed; I rarely follow UFC, doesn't impact anything for me. I was a fan of the guy in ROH, but his life is his life, no real impact for me there, either. The guy clearly had something he wanted to do, got an offer to do it, so he tried and got beat down. Not terribly surprising, but there's not much to it beyond that. To piggyback on what others have said and what I said in the (w)rest section, if a Major League Baseball team approached me tomorrow and said "here's a big league contract, come play left field for us", you're damn right I'd take them up on it. I'd be a complete embarrassment, sure, but I'd try my best, train hard, and then get a bunch of money and benefits and the thrill of putting on a big league uniform and stepping onto the field at a big league ballpark. "But he's a jerk on Twitter!". Ok, so don't follow him on Twitter. Boom, now you never have to hear from him again if you don't want to. "But he shouldn't have been starting out in the biggest league for MMA so quickly!". Ok, take it up with Dana White and stop ordering his shows if he keeps doing reckless, carny shit like this. Again, nobody cares if you're joking around; dude put himself out in public and got murked, jokes are inevitable. But this bitterness too many are showing, is it anger at people leaving WWE? Is it some need to feel connected to these people? Is it resentment at the way they talk on Twitter or on TV shows? Because, honestly, it comes off as incredibly childish, and again, it doesn't help the general perception too many people have of wrestling fans. If Punk, Paige, or anybody were doing something that was actually hurting somebody else, then fine, I'd understand being angered. If Punk was taking to Twitter talking up how he'd take MMA by storm and started denigrating it, I'd understand people wanting to see him get some sense smacked into his head. If he was on Twitter calling for the harassment of others or something vile like that, then the indignation would have been earned. But if you respond to not liking somebody's Twitter/online persona by loudly proclaiming "I hope this person actually gets hurt and embarrassed" instead of, say, just ignoring their Twitter account the way an adult would, then you can't suddenly act all stunned if people accuse wrestling fans of immaturity. Jokes are great; educated guesses aren't a terrible thing; prefacing statements with "based on what I know" or similar caveats is a decent thin to do. Going beyond that really reflects poorly on us, and on wrestling fandom in general. Your pretty much telling the Internet not to be the Internet. And on the subject of basing your opinion about someone based on what they put on the Internet what are we supposed to base our opinion on? Based on the persona CM Punk has I don't like him and enjoyed watching him get murked. Are you saying that makes me look bad as a wrestling fan? If someone presents themselves as an idiot on the Internet no matter what they may be like off of it people are going to treat them like an idiot if that Internet persona is all they see.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2016 14:36:40 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 11, 2016 14:38:58 GMT -5
Conor still trying for that Wrestlemania payday.
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Post by Shai on Sept 11, 2016 14:42:11 GMT -5
Conor still trying for that Wrestlemania payday. Speaking of people I'd enjoy watching get murked...
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 11, 2016 14:42:34 GMT -5
This gets 100 likes or there is no justice in the world! Hyperlink died, so I'm probably out of luck lol I made that mistake when I first made a gif here since EZGif doesn't keep images/gifs permanently.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Sept 11, 2016 14:45:05 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week. We have to accept reality: no matter if you follow them on Twitter, watch them on various TV shows, or seen a dozen shoot interviews with them, the reality is that we don't know these people. These are people who come out of an industry that thrives on working the audience, even their online personas are often going to have worked elements to them. Go ahead and say "based on what I've seen and heard I'm not a fan"; go ahead and joke about things about the fight, it's honestly fine (to a point, I'm sure). But good Lord, there's way, way too much here of "good, he's a jerk anyway, I hope he's in pain today/loses his money in the lawsuit", or "she's so immature, she should do this with her life, instead", etc. etc. etc. Meantime, we don't know these people, don't know their families and friends, don't know their relationships with others, don't know what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what their relationship with the companies they work with might be, yet we've got people here speaking authoritatively about what's best for either of them, or even actively skirting the "wishing harm" rule at worst. I couldn't care less how Punk performed; I rarely follow UFC, doesn't impact anything for me. I was a fan of the guy in ROH, but his life is his life, no real impact for me there, either. The guy clearly had something he wanted to do, got an offer to do it, so he tried and got beat down. Not terribly surprising, but there's not much to it beyond that. To piggyback on what others have said and what I said in the (w)rest section, if a Major League Baseball team approached me tomorrow and said "here's a big league contract, come play left field for us", you're damn right I'd take them up on it. I'd be a complete embarrassment, sure, but I'd try my best, train hard, and then get a bunch of money and benefits and the thrill of putting on a big league uniform and stepping onto the field at a big league ballpark. "But he's a jerk on Twitter!". Ok, so don't follow him on Twitter. Boom, now you never have to hear from him again if you don't want to. "But he shouldn't have been starting out in the biggest league for MMA so quickly!". Ok, take it up with Dana White and stop ordering his shows if he keeps doing reckless, carny shit like this. Again, nobody cares if you're joking around; dude put himself out in public and got murked, jokes are inevitable. But this bitterness too many are showing, is it anger at people leaving WWE? Is it some need to feel connected to these people? Is it resentment at the way they talk on Twitter or on TV shows? Because, honestly, it comes off as incredibly childish, and again, it doesn't help the general perception too many people have of wrestling fans. If Punk, Paige, or anybody were doing something that was actually hurting somebody else, then fine, I'd understand being angered. If Punk was taking to Twitter talking up how he'd take MMA by storm and started denigrating it, I'd understand people wanting to see him get some sense smacked into his head. If he was on Twitter calling for the harassment of others or something vile like that, then the indignation would have been earned. But if you respond to not liking somebody's Twitter/online persona by loudly proclaiming "I hope this person actually gets hurt and embarrassed" instead of, say, just ignoring their Twitter account the way an adult would, then you can't suddenly act all stunned if people accuse wrestling fans of immaturity. Jokes are great; educated guesses aren't a terrible thing; prefacing statements with "based on what I know" or similar caveats is a decent thin to do. Going beyond that really reflects poorly on us, and on wrestling fandom in general. Agreed. I am generalizing here but i never got why online rasslin' fans seem so keen to hate on a wrestler, especially for their real life personality, even though we dont know these people in real life. We do not know these people in real life! *not so much this forum but very much so on wrestlingforum and r/squaredcircle Brock was beloved up till Mania but after a few shitty matches, not only is he hated, but he's also a complete jerk apparently. You dont just get posts saying " I am tired of Brock squash matches" but rather you get, "I'm tired of Brock squash matches PLUS he's a real piece of shit in real life." Is he? Do you know him? Same with Punk. I don't know the dude. I thought this UFC idea for this beat up 37 year old with no experince was ridiculous, but I loved him in WWE. I also do not know him.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 11, 2016 14:45:21 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week. We have to accept reality: no matter if you follow them on Twitter, watch them on various TV shows, or seen a dozen shoot interviews with them, the reality is that we don't know these people. These are people who come out of an industry that thrives on working the audience, even their online personas are often going to have worked elements to them. Go ahead and say "based on what I've seen and heard I'm not a fan"; go ahead and joke about things about the fight, it's honestly fine (to a point, I'm sure). But good Lord, there's way, way too much here of "good, he's a jerk anyway, I hope he's in pain today/loses his money in the lawsuit", or "she's so immature, she should do this with her life, instead", etc. etc. etc. Meantime, we don't know these people, don't know their families and friends, don't know their relationships with others, don't know what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what their relationship with the companies they work with might be, yet we've got people here speaking authoritatively about what's best for either of them, or even actively skirting the "wishing harm" rule at worst. I couldn't care less how Punk performed; I rarely follow UFC, doesn't impact anything for me. I was a fan of the guy in ROH, but his life is his life, no real impact for me there, either. The guy clearly had something he wanted to do, got an offer to do it, so he tried and got beat down. Not terribly surprising, but there's not much to it beyond that. To piggyback on what others have said and what I said in the (w)rest section, if a Major League Baseball team approached me tomorrow and said "here's a big league contract, come play left field for us", you're damn right I'd take them up on it. I'd be a complete embarrassment, sure, but I'd try my best, train hard, and then get a bunch of money and benefits and the thrill of putting on a big league uniform and stepping onto the field at a big league ballpark. "But he's a jerk on Twitter!". Ok, so don't follow him on Twitter. Boom, now you never have to hear from him again if you don't want to. "But he shouldn't have been starting out in the biggest league for MMA so quickly!". Ok, take it up with Dana White and stop ordering his shows if he keeps doing reckless, carny shit like this. Again, nobody cares if you're joking around; dude put himself out in public and got murked, jokes are inevitable. But this bitterness too many are showing, is it anger at people leaving WWE? Is it some need to feel connected to these people? Is it resentment at the way they talk on Twitter or on TV shows? Because, honestly, it comes off as incredibly childish, and again, it doesn't help the general perception too many people have of wrestling fans. If Punk, Paige, or anybody were doing something that was actually hurting somebody else, then fine, I'd understand being angered. If Punk was taking to Twitter talking up how he'd take MMA by storm and started denigrating it, I'd understand people wanting to see him get some sense smacked into his head. If he was on Twitter calling for the harassment of others or something vile like that, then the indignation would have been earned. But if you respond to not liking somebody's Twitter/online persona by loudly proclaiming "I hope this person actually gets hurt and embarrassed" instead of, say, just ignoring their Twitter account the way an adult would, then you can't suddenly act all stunned if people accuse wrestling fans of immaturity. Jokes are great; educated guesses aren't a terrible thing; prefacing statements with "based on what I know" or similar caveats is a decent thin to do. Going beyond that really reflects poorly on us, and on wrestling fandom in general. My thoughts is that Punk shouldn't have been there period, but yes you are right he got the offer and wanted to do MMA so he took it. I saw this coming when he signed that this had a disaster written all over it. The reason is going on the the UFC itself, is like going into the MMA WWE as in the biggest company in the sport. He did that with little training compared to most of those guys and the experience in a fight style he didn't have that. Brock was successful because he had mastered Amateur wrestling which is a style and is a reason why he was successful at it on top being a freak of nature as an athlete. Punk on the other hand didn't have that and plus how many time he was reported hurt which delayed the debut and training. My question is why would he want to do MMA if he is suing the WWE for in his eyes mistreating different injuries? It doesn't make sense to say "You know I was injured and beaten up in the WWE, why don't I do something more physical." I say that because in MMA you hitting each other as hard as you can and putting as much pressure as possible in a hold. That not what they do in the WWE. There are reasons why MMA fighters only fight every few months. Because there is a lot of prep that goes into a fight and how much you do get beat up. My friend does MMA as a ShamrockFC fighter, I know the stories on what he deals with, the training is insane because not only you learning how to beat the fighter your facing but making weight in the process. If Punk really was serious in being an MMA fighter and knew he didn't have the fighting back ground, he should have went to a smaller league and trained longer, kind of like Lashley been doing.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2016 14:46:34 GMT -5
Conor still trying for that Wrestlemania payday. Pretty much. You can read the headline and know what he was gonna say haha. Dude knows how to put in the work selling himself better than most wrestlers.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 11, 2016 14:47:14 GMT -5
Are you sure? The stunt of putting him on that night seemed just like wrestling to me. You're hot take on the situation is very unique but as far as I know UFC isn't pro wrestling. So yes I'm sure. Either way my original point was that people wanting Punk to get actually hurt was weird and sad. Your opinion on what a circus UFC was last night doesn't make it scripted fighting. Your hot take on thinking people shouldn't want to see Punk get his ass kicked is unique and all, but the point of putting Punk out there wasn't because he was going to fight a competitive fight. It was to draw tickets/buys, and part of the draw is that he's extremely divisive and people want to see him get his ass kicked. You know, just like wrestling.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2016 14:49:21 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week. We have to accept reality: no matter if you follow them on Twitter, watch them on various TV shows, or seen a dozen shoot interviews with them, the reality is that we don't know these people. These are people who come out of an industry that thrives on working the audience, even their online personas are often going to have worked elements to them. Go ahead and say "based on what I've seen and heard I'm not a fan"; go ahead and joke about things about the fight, it's honestly fine (to a point, I'm sure). But good Lord, there's way, way too much here of "good, he's a jerk anyway, I hope he's in pain today/loses his money in the lawsuit", or "she's so immature, she should do this with her life, instead", etc. etc. etc. Meantime, we don't know these people, don't know their families and friends, don't know their relationships with others, don't know what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what their relationship with the companies they work with might be, yet we've got people here speaking authoritatively about what's best for either of them, or even actively skirting the "wishing harm" rule at worst. I couldn't care less how Punk performed; I rarely follow UFC, doesn't impact anything for me. I was a fan of the guy in ROH, but his life is his life, no real impact for me there, either. The guy clearly had something he wanted to do, got an offer to do it, so he tried and got beat down. Not terribly surprising, but there's not much to it beyond that. To piggyback on what others have said and what I said in the (w)rest section, if a Major League Baseball team approached me tomorrow and said "here's a big league contract, come play left field for us", you're damn right I'd take them up on it. I'd be a complete embarrassment, sure, but I'd try my best, train hard, and then get a bunch of money and benefits and the thrill of putting on a big league uniform and stepping onto the field at a big league ballpark. "But he's a jerk on Twitter!". Ok, so don't follow him on Twitter. Boom, now you never have to hear from him again if you don't want to. "But he shouldn't have been starting out in the biggest league for MMA so quickly!". Ok, take it up with Dana White and stop ordering his shows if he keeps doing reckless, carny shit like this. Again, nobody cares if you're joking around; dude put himself out in public and got murked, jokes are inevitable. But this bitterness too many are showing, is it anger at people leaving WWE? Is it some need to feel connected to these people? Is it resentment at the way they talk on Twitter or on TV shows? Because, honestly, it comes off as incredibly childish, and again, it doesn't help the general perception too many people have of wrestling fans. If Punk, Paige, or anybody were doing something that was actually hurting somebody else, then fine, I'd understand being angered. If Punk was taking to Twitter talking up how he'd take MMA by storm and started denigrating it, I'd understand people wanting to see him get some sense smacked into his head. If he was on Twitter calling for the harassment of others or something vile like that, then the indignation would have been earned. But if you respond to not liking somebody's Twitter/online persona by loudly proclaiming "I hope this person actually gets hurt and embarrassed" instead of, say, just ignoring their Twitter account the way an adult would, then you can't suddenly act all stunned if people accuse wrestling fans of immaturity. Jokes are great; educated guesses aren't a terrible thing; prefacing statements with "based on what I know" or similar caveats is a decent thin to do. Going beyond that really reflects poorly on us, and on wrestling fandom in general. My thoughts is that Punk shouldn't have been there period, but yes you are right he got the offer and wanted to do MMA so he took it. I saw this coming when he signed that this had a disaster written all over it. The reason is going on the the UFC itself, is like going into the MMA WWE as in the biggest company in the sport. He did that with little training compared to most of those guys and the experience in a fight style he didn't have that. Brock was successful because he had mastered Amateur wrestling which is a style and is a reason why he was successful at it on top being a freak of nature as an athlete. Punk on the other hand didn't have that and plus how many time he was reported hurt which delayed the debut and training. My question is why would he want to do MMA if he is suing the WWE for in his eyes mistreating different injuries? It doesn't make sense to say "You know I was injured and beaten up in the WWE, why don't I do something more physical." I say that because in MMA you hitting each other as hard as you can and putting as much pressure as possible in a hold. That not what they do in the WWE. There are reasons why MMA fighters only fight every few months. Because there is a lot of prep that goes into a fight and how much you do get beat up. My friend does MMA as a ShamrockFC fighter, I know the stories on what he deals with, the training is insane because not only you learning how to beat the fighter your facing but making weight in the process. If Punk really was serious in being an MMA fighter and knew he didn't have the fighting back ground, he should have went to a smaller league and trained longer, kind of like Lashley been doing. The lawsuit isn't really about being injured, he got sued because he essentially accused their doctor of at least misdiagnosing him, if not straight up malpractice.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 11, 2016 14:51:47 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but if people want to know why a lot of folks don't take wrestling fans seriously, this and the Paige thread can be exhibits A and B this week. It is? This would be the reaction from fans of any sport. Not that I want to get into the politics of the Kaepernick situation and all, especially because that isn't allowed here, but there were many people were rooting for him to get seriously hurt for his stance/actions/whatever you want to call it. And many were NFL fans. Are NFL fans taken seriously? I don't know, but I'm one. They are like any other group of sports fans. People don't take wrestling fans seriously because wrestling is a scripted form of entertainment. That will be the "problem" forever.
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 11, 2016 15:38:20 GMT -5
I love all the hardcore MMA fans on YouTube jizzing all over the front of their tighty whities believing Punk lost simply because he was a fake wrestler. There are those of us that are hardcore MMA fans, and those that are idiots. Those guys/gals fall in the latter category.
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