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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 9:13:31 GMT -5
U.S. Avengers is out, in case anyone wants to read a G.I. Joe knock off but with D and F list Avengers. I don't remember GI Joe having anything near as awesome as a Hulk with a Mustache. They had Scoop, Captain Grid-Iron and The Fridge. Your point is invalid and moot.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 6, 2017 10:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 11:13:33 GMT -5
U.S. Avengers is out, in case anyone wants to read a G.I. Joe knock off but with D and F list Avengers. I don't remember GI Joe having anything near as awesome as a Hulk with a Mustache. He was called Roadblock.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 6, 2017 12:31:29 GMT -5
I don't remember GI Joe having anything near as awesome as a Hulk with a Mustache. He was called Roadblock. End of the Line
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 6, 2017 13:45:13 GMT -5
New Fantastic Four merchandise..and it's for Sue!
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 6, 2017 14:00:12 GMT -5
and HERBIE!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:16:10 GMT -5
New Fantastic Four merchandise..and it's for Sue! In before rumors that Marvel Studios got the FF rights.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 6, 2017 16:50:16 GMT -5
The thing about your argument though is that, as far as I know, none of the creators for the franchises you mentioned ever said "the story is told, there are no more left". Heck, most of them had many sequels by the original authors or were created to be serialized or continued in some fashion. If guys like Geoff Johns have all this reverence and respect for The Watchmen as they say they do, they should have the same reverence and respect for its author and his opinions on a continuation of it as well. Now if Moore magically got the rights to Watchmen back and suddenly started cranking out stories of his own, then you'd have a better point. Okay, now, let me ask you this: Why are we making this exception for Moore? No DC or Marvel writer before or since Moore has done a company-owned project and then said "Okay, you can't do anything else with this ever ever again. No sequels, no merchandise, nada." Well, I shouldn't say merchandise, since his stance on that is because DC dicked him out of money for some early stuff they made, not from any sort of artistic viewpoint. Either way, I can't think of another example, ever. Sure, lots of them show annoyance at later stories bastardizing ones that were personal to them. But they know the system they chose to work within, it is what it is. As much as Moore has a point to a lot of grievances with DC, this one is reaching. He just doesn't get to make that call. And I have to ask again, had he done the Watchmen, as originally intended with the Charlton cast, and it was (or even wasn't) the groundbreaking piece it's known as, would he still have said "story's done, no more."? Because that's what Moore agreed to. He made the story under the agreement that he would gain the rights to the story and characters after DC stopped publishing it. He never imagined they would continually republish it for thirty years. And my original point had nothing to do whether or not they have the right to make a Watchmen sequel. My point was that why are all these comic book writers who claim to respect and revere Watchmen so much, Moore's colleagues, not showing the same respect to his opinions on the matter of a sequel. New Fantastic Four merchandise..and it's for Sue! In before rumors that Marvel Studios got the FF rights. From my understanding if Marvel Studios actually got the rights to the Fantastic Four then Sue would not be the character they'd be spotlighting.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 6, 2017 17:56:22 GMT -5
Looks like we know just when the Hydra-Cap stuff will culminate with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 18:22:25 GMT -5
Looks like we know just when the Hydra-Cap stuff will culminate with. I hope none of the few Marvel books I read get sucked into this shit.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 6, 2017 19:10:38 GMT -5
Looks like we know just when the Hydra-Cap stuff will culminate with. F*** you Marvel, you had your chance to win me back with CW II and you massively shit the bed. Rebirth got me into reading like 15 titles from DC, CW II left me so disinterested I barely even want to give them my money for the Star Wars books.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 7, 2017 4:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jan 7, 2017 13:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 7, 2017 15:18:03 GMT -5
I don't really agree with Moore's rather naïve and at times hypocritical take on creators rights, but when he's saying "the story is told, there is no more story left to tell, stop trying to write more or making me write more", it seems pretty definitive that you're kinda disregarding the spirit in which the story was written in in the first place and just plain looking for a cash grab. The issue I have with that statement or way of thought is that it completely contradicts just about every major work Moore has created, in that so much of his output has been revivals of older properties that by their own virtues had no more story left to tell. Revived Marvelman, deconstructed Swamp Thing, delved into a huge amount of Superman mythology in Whatever Happened to the Man From Tomorrow?, used a 1950s Joker appearance as a starting point for Killing Joke, and rebooted Supreme into his version of 1960s Superman. And between two series, managed to create sequels to Stoker's Dracula, Haggard's Quatermain, Wells' Invisible Man AND War of the Worlds, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Jekyll & Hyde, 20,000 Leagues, Fu Manchu, Sherlock Holmes, Wizard of Oz and about 893 more. The biggest reason I have just a little issue with it is that when Moore first created Watchmen, those were the old Charlton characters (Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, etc) he was about to dig up and do this to. The only reason that was changed is because DC backed out of letting him use the characters as they had decided to utilize them in the DCU proper. Almost every toy he plays with isn't his. I find it odd, somewhat, that Moore has such a carefree attitude toward film adaptations of his stuff (he doesn't "hate" it, as he's never watched them; he takes a "it didn't ruin the book, the book is still right here" approach with them. Yet with things like this, he's vocally protective of, even though it's essentially the same concept. The original still exists and has to stand on its own, whether or not there are one, a thousand or no sequels or spin-offs. Has the rumor that at one time the Watchmen heroes were all the Archie Red Circle heroes been proven or disproven ever? Moore to me is like Steve Ditko. In that while I greatly admire both mens' talents I wouldn't enjoy having a long conversation with either.Hell,the odds of me meeting either of them is about equal too. Unless some con manages to get either to appear. Damn isn;t Gerad Jones the guy that did "Trouble with Girls" years ago?
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 7, 2017 15:24:51 GMT -5
The issue I have with that statement or way of thought is that it completely contradicts just about every major work Moore has created, in that so much of his output has been revivals of older properties that by their own virtues had no more story left to tell. Revived Marvelman, deconstructed Swamp Thing, delved into a huge amount of Superman mythology in Whatever Happened to the Man From Tomorrow?, used a 1950s Joker appearance as a starting point for Killing Joke, and rebooted Supreme into his version of 1960s Superman. And between two series, managed to create sequels to Stoker's Dracula, Haggard's Quatermain, Wells' Invisible Man AND War of the Worlds, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Jekyll & Hyde, 20,000 Leagues, Fu Manchu, Sherlock Holmes, Wizard of Oz and about 893 more. The biggest reason I have just a little issue with it is that when Moore first created Watchmen, those were the old Charlton characters (Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, etc) he was about to dig up and do this to. The only reason that was changed is because DC backed out of letting him use the characters as they had decided to utilize them in the DCU proper. Almost every toy he plays with isn't his. I find it odd, somewhat, that Moore has such a carefree attitude toward film adaptations of his stuff (he doesn't "hate" it, as he's never watched them; he takes a "it didn't ruin the book, the book is still right here" approach with them. Yet with things like this, he's vocally protective of, even though it's essentially the same concept. The original still exists and has to stand on its own, whether or not there are one, a thousand or no sequels or spin-offs. Damn isn;t Gerad Jones the guy that did "Trouble with Girls" years ago? He is. He also wrote Emerald Dawn and Men of Tomorrow, I've got the former somewhere in the house. I don't think I'll bother digging it out if he's guilty. The Marvel Legends Mary Jane figure is out in August and will come bundled with Peter Parker...wonder if promoting the two together means there's something coming in the fall?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 7, 2017 15:36:38 GMT -5
Damn isn;t Gerad Jones the guy that did "Trouble with Girls" years ago? He is. He also wrote Emerald Dawn and Men of Tomorrow, I've got the former somewhere in the house. I don't think I'll bother digging it out if he's guilty. The Marvel Legends Mary Jane figure is out in August and will come bundled with Peter Parker...wonder if promoting the two together means there's something coming in the fall? Forgot he did Emerald Dawn. I am sure sprinkled throughout my collection I got more than a few comics Jones wrote.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 7, 2017 15:40:43 GMT -5
Has the rumor that at one time the Watchmen heroes were all the Archie Red Circle heroes been proven or disproven ever? According to Wikipedia*, Moore wanted to use a dead shared universe for something and had considered the Red Circle stuff, but when DC bought the Charlton characters, Moore jumped on it and wrote a story based on them instead, so while he had originally had an idea for the RC characters, it wasn't quite what became Watchmen.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 7, 2017 23:19:29 GMT -5
Has the rumor that at one time the Watchmen heroes were all the Archie Red Circle heroes been proven or disproven ever? According to Wikipedia*, Moore wanted to use a dead shared universe for something and had considered the Red Circle stuff, but when DC bought the Charlton characters, Moore jumped on it and wrote a story based on them instead, so while he had originally had an idea for the RC characters, it wasn't quite what became Watchmen. I was pretty sure I had read in some interview with Moore,more than likely in Amazing Heroes or TCJ,where he mentioned the story with someone dragging the dead body of The Shield out of the water. For me it doesn't matter that Moore based some of the Watchmen people on the old Charlton Action heroes. At least at the comic shop I was going to when Watchmen was coming out no one really remembered the Charlton Action Heroes. I do sometimes wonder why Geoff Johns doesn't catch as much shit for doing the same thing Moore catches shit for. But at least Geoff isn't as bad as Jim "Hey I got paid and never will do the work" Lee.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 9, 2017 13:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 9, 2017 13:58:50 GMT -5
the on the mask is bizarre.
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