Marvel's Iron Fist

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Mar 15, 2017 18:10:03 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

Mar 15, 2017 18:07:05 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Fair enough, but I think it limits future possibilities. My biggest reason for wanting Danny to remain white was his future pairing with Luke Cage. There's something awesome about the relationship between a working class black guy from Harlem and a rich trust fund white kid. You'd lose a little bit of the beauty of that friendship if Danny were also a minority, rich or not.

I agree, it does limit in some ways. But opens it up in others.

I mean, how many shows/comics or whatever have you seen where the two leads are a working class black guy and Richie Rich Asian guy. There's a lot of possibilities there. haha, I mean the closest we ever got was ...what? Romeo Must Die? oof. The culture/class clash still has some good legs from that one I think.

Jet Li in Romeo Must Die and Jackie Chan in the Rush Hour movies were both playing characters born and raised in Mainland China, from what I remember.
Danny Rand would've been an interesting case in having an Asian American character be Richie Rich playing against the working class Black guy.

Even then I totally get why Lewis Tan even tried out for it:
Sure, it was another kung-fu series but he would've still been the lead character across multiple shows with character development and a possible romantic interest in Misty Knight.

I see it as the difference between someone getting Cottonmouth vs. someone getting Just Another Thug^TM:
One role is actually pretty deep with a character that has a lot of backstory and internal conflict.  A black criminal that's actually allowed to be humanized and have layers.

The other is the same one note shit we get from Hollywood all the time.  Minimal effect on the plot.  Minimal backstory.  Probably dies with little to no fanfare.

Saying that an Asian person playing Iron Fist is somehow more racist or doesn't matter completely misses the nuance.

....I mean, I get why an Asian person wouldn't even want to deal with a role like Iron Fist and it's not my place to come down on anyone for not giving it a shot, so I'm not.

But just....c'mon y'all..."more racist?" 

[Juice]

Mar 16, 2017 0:00:40 GMT -5 Mackenzie Gorn said:

Mar 15, 2017 16:18:23 GMT -5 Juice said:

Ive been turned off as a whole from superhero stuff sadly. The craze being bugger than ever has created an over saturated market creating these problems as well as general audiences thinking they are experts with video game or movie knowledge. I walked into walmart one day and could not stonach all of the stuff I usually would be happy to buy. So much general merch just staring at me. It made me sad.

That's a dumb reason. Like I get that it's your and more power too you but seeing something that you like get popular enough that you drop it is really dumb. Especially when your reasoning basically boils down to ''Too many posers my dude.'' Something you like having merch making you sad must lead to you really being depressed ESPECIALLY in walmart.

Or the influx of comic book everything is a turn off because like eerything too much of it everywhere I look is off putting but focus in the posers and call me dumb.

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

Apparently, the show just sucks, race controversies or not.

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Mar 15, 2017 17:38:58 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Mar 15, 2017 17:13:35 GMT -5 Long A, Short A said:

I'm giving Iron Fist a chance, but I don't have a single problem with people that aren't here for White Karate Master: A Netflix original. If you can update Luke Cage and make the show cookout ready,, why can't you do the same with Iron Fist?

They are updating it, everyone involved has said so. You're implying that the only way to update it would have been to change Danny's race, which is a really hollow way to pretend you've updated something when in all reality you just race-swapped. Where was this vitriol from the internet media when Marvel took two prominent Asian characters in The Mandarin and The Ancient One and made them white?

There was outrage over The Ancient One and The Mandarin. But a lot of the outrage including mine was changing him (The Ancient One) from Tibetan to Celtic to appease The Chinese Market and because they have The Government of China as investors to the film. That's the reason why The Mandarin was changed as well considering the character of The Mandarin is a character whose origins was The Chinese Revolution killed his family, took his families wealth, and he's very much against his government who wants him dead a contrast to Tony Stark.

Like I'm not against in trying to appeal to a international market but I do get uncomfortable when a movie that is being heavily financed by China has heavily influence in promoting China Jingoism as seen in Iron Man 3, Looper, Transformers 4, Doctor Strange, Kong Skull Island, etc.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

From what little I have seen it looks alright to me... but Iron Fist and Luke Cage have always been better together than they have ever been apart.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Mar 16, 2017 8:36:28 GMT -5 Juice said:

Mar 16, 2017 0:00:40 GMT -5 Mackenzie Gorn said:

That's a dumb reason. Like I get that it's your and more power too you but seeing something that you like get popular enough that you drop it is really dumb. Especially when your reasoning basically boils down to ''Too many posers my dude.'' Something you like having merch making you sad must lead to you really being depressed ESPECIALLY in walmart.

Or the influx of comic book everything is a turn off because like eerything too much of it everywhere I look is off putting but focus in the posers and call me dumb.

So "Other people are starting to like the thing I like, so I don't like it anymore."

Okay then.

People will buy merch of things they like. That's just a fact of life.

[Juice]

Mar 16, 2017 12:06:06 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Mar 16, 2017 8:36:28 GMT -5 Juice said:

Or the influx of comic book everything is a turn off because like eerything too much of it everywhere I look is off putting but focus in the posers and call me dumb.

So "Other people are starting to like the thing I like, so I don't like it anymore."

Okay then.

People will buy merch of things they like. That's just a fact of life.

Literally not what I said but by all means keep coming t me with all of your pretensiousness.

Kind of making my point for those who paid ny attention

Sorry I think Iron fist looks lame af

Oh wait no im not

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Mar 16, 2017 12:06:06 GMT -5 The Heartbreak TWERK said:

Mar 16, 2017 8:36:28 GMT -5 Juice said:

Or the influx of comic book everything is a turn off because like eerything too much of it everywhere I look is off putting but focus in the posers and call me dumb.

So "Other people are starting to like the thing I like, so I don't like it anymore."

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That's something I've been thinking about lately. While the irony of the statement you're making makes sense, in a less reductive way, at face value it actually holds water.

If someone were to tell me the gestalt of the superhero genre's place in pop culture was a deterrent to becoming further invested in it (provided it was a more casual affinity and not borderline rabid/obsessive), I'd say that was reasonable.

I mean, the parasitic and almost human-centipede-esque relationship various business/media outlets/bloggers/vloggers have with the genre creates an unavoidable maelstrom of speculation, promotion and dissection that could arguably overshadow (or at the very least taint someone's overall emotional relationship) to the films themselves. That side of the industry can be a bit insidious. I know the people are well-meaning on an individual level, but when aggregated ....well, there's a term for it, but basically it's sensory overload combined with nausea.

And, trust me, I know - "Why not just ignore all that and enjoy the movies?" but with the pervasiveness of pop culture, I can see someone who was borderline into them to begin with becoming off-put by the whole thing.

So, I dunno. Part of me kind of understands the "it's TOO popular" mindset. I love zombies. Loved them since I was a kid, but there was a time there when even I said to myself, "I've got to pull the break on all this because it's reached the tipping point where the fandom/subculture/commodification of zombies eclipsed the genre itself and I didn't get into zombies for the fandom. I got into it for the zombies stuff, not all the off-shoot stuff that goes along with it."

Now that it's died down I enjoy zombies a lot more. At the height of the "fast zombie craze" I probably would have cringed at Train To Busan, but now I love it. Same goes for when vampires were everywhere and A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night.

I do think people get a bit to high-minded and snobbish about it sometimes too though. They take the idea of "I liked it when it was cool" needlessly to a proposterous degree.

[Kevin Hamilton]

I'ms till interested. Hope we get a silly nod to the classic suit like Cage did. Maybe it be K'unlun ceremonial garb that Danny is like: "Nah"

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

I'm going to give it a fair chance, watch it and probably review it. Maybe it really does suck, but I've enjoyed my fair share of critically panned things before.

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Mar 16, 2017 18:41:29 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

I'm going to give it a fair chance, watch it and probably review it. Maybe it really does suck, but I've enjoyed my fair share of critically panned things before.

Honestly if anything the bad reviews kind of make me want to check it out. Not watched any of these Marvel shows previously other than the pilot of Agent Carter, but kind of curious if this one lives up (down?) to the negative hype.

Though probably be easier to actually go ahead with that if people were calling it a mess rather than just calling it boring.

["Trickster Dogg" James Jesse]

And if people don't like this show but still want to get fisted in a big, bad way, there's always that RZA movie from a couple of years ago.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Two episodes in so far, and it's very, very meh IMO. Easily the weakest start of the Netflix shows to date.

[Urethra Franklin]

I'm currently watching the first episode.

From what I understand, the villain in this series is personal hygiene as Danny Rand is waging quite the war against it.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Has a really slow start, probably skipped more scenes early on than I have before. Though the quality has started picking up episode by episode

[domrep]

I think it's good that Jones, Cage and Fist came out as standalone shows because it shows that there's not enough meat there to have their own show. Jones and Cage work better as a pair. Daredevil seems to be the only show that can do a series.

[MAGGLE]

Saw the first two episodes, its a very interesting and above average show. Dont really understand the critics if you compare this to Flash, Arrow etc. I am going to continue to watch.

[mcmahonfan85]

well i'm enjoying it thus far, and on a plus side (spoiler for end of ep. 3/beginning of ep. 4)

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}someone finally showed the stupidity of climbing up the side of a building

[the2ndevil]

Well, I loved the first episode. Never finished Luke Cage, and this is just holding my attention so much more.

[Gerard Gerard]

Beyond Danny Rand occasionally sounding like that one friend that thinks one visit to a temple makes them an honorary monk, I'm pretty on board with this show.