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Post by MAGGLE on Mar 18, 2017 17:52:26 GMT -5
Ok I am really starting to get angry about all those critics and their negative scores (Which I usually never do) . Without spoiling, in episode 8 is a confrontation which will make every single old school Martial Arts movie fans love this show. If you really hate this show and give it freakin 10% fresh rating, than you dont have a clue about how to do your job proper. That scene alone makes this show awesome. So because a critic doesn't like something it means they don't have a clue about how to do their job properly? Not sure I understand the logic there. Look, having an opinion and a different perspective has a tolerance level. Since I used the rotten tomato meter its fairly easy to explain since it uses percentages. Professional opinions have a certain limit of going to an extreme over the middle percentage. Since a critic reviews thousands of products in his lifetime, there should be a comperable movie with the same percentage given. I for one know movies which even forgot to cut out scenes entirely from movies and they even get lets say 5%. So giving a professionaly produced show that rating would be absolutely ridicilous. Not only from a fairness standpoint, but also devaluing your professional opinion, since you just show that your percentage doesnt mean anything. Lets also not forget about the responsibility of potentially destroying careers. Again, I am not saying dont have your opinion or that this is the greatest piece of television ever produced, but saying that it is statisticly one of the worst? Completly insulting to the entire history of television A professional critic that wants to get taken seriously should keep his hands off ratings below 20% , if you really want to give it that rating watch The Room, Manos hands of fate etc and than rethink your factually wrong choice. Same thing goes for over 90% Also: getting that statement out of my post? Was it possible to simplify it even more? Come on... |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 18, 2017 18:03:00 GMT -5
So because a critic doesn't like something it means they don't have a clue about how to do their job properly? Not sure I understand the logic there. Look, having an opinion and a different perspective has a tolerance level. Since I used the rotten tomato meter its fairly easy to explain since it uses percentages. Professional opinions have a certain limit of going to an extreme over the middle percentage. Since a critic reviews thousands of products in his lifetime, there should be a comperable movie with the same percentage given. I for one know movies which even forgot to cut out scenes entirely from movies and they even get lets say 5%. So giving a professionaly produced show that rating would be absolutely ridicilous. Not only from a fairness standpoint, but also devaluing your professional opinion, since you just show that your percentage doesnt mean anything. Lets also not forget about the responsibility of potentially destroying careers. Again, I am not saying dont have your opinion or that this is the greatest piece of television ever produced, but saying that it is statisticly one of the worst? Completly insulting to the entire history of television But in the case of the rotten tomatoes meter, they're based off whether or not it's a positive review. Out of all the reviews, only 17% of the critics have given it a positive review, it's not that the average score given is 17%. As for potentially destroying careers, Critics have no responsibility to the careers of actors/producers, their job is to critique the product that is put in front of them. And even if they did rate it as one of the worst shows ever (which whilst admittedly I haven't read many reviews) not one review I've seen has claimed that. That's not in any way insulting to the entire history of television. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 18, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -5
Ok I am really starting to get angry about all those critics and their negative scores (Which I usually never do) . Without spoiling, in episode 8 is a confrontation which will make every single old school Martial Arts movie fans love this show. If you really hate this show and give it freakin 10% fresh rating, than you dont have a clue about how to do your job proper. That scene alone makes this show awesome. So because a critic doesn't like something it means they don't have a clue about how to do their job properly? Not sure I understand the logic there. if part of their reasoning for disliking the show is because a white actor was cast to play a white character (and a large number of the negative reviews bring it up), then yes, they don't have a clue about how to do their job properly |
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Post by MAGGLE on Mar 18, 2017 18:14:14 GMT -5
Look, having an opinion and a different perspective has a tolerance level. Since I used the rotten tomato meter its fairly easy to explain since it uses percentages. Professional opinions have a certain limit of going to an extreme over the middle percentage. Since a critic reviews thousands of products in his lifetime, there should be a comperable movie with the same percentage given. I for one know movies which even forgot to cut out scenes entirely from movies and they even get lets say 5%. So giving a professionaly produced show that rating would be absolutely ridicilous. Not only from a fairness standpoint, but also devaluing your professional opinion, since you just show that your percentage doesnt mean anything. Lets also not forget about the responsibility of potentially destroying careers. Again, I am not saying dont have your opinion or that this is the greatest piece of television ever produced, but saying that it is statisticly one of the worst? Completly insulting to the entire history of television But in the case of the rotten tomatoes meter, they're based off whether or not it's a positive review. Out of all the reviews, only 17% of the critics have given it a positive review, it's not that the average score given is 17%. As for potentially destroying careers, Critics have no responsibility to the careers of actors/producers, their job is to critique the product that is put in front of them. And even if they did rate it as one of the worst shows ever (which whilst admittedly I haven't read many reviews) not one review I've seen has claimed that. That's not in any way insulting to the entire history of television. I read so much bad stuff about this show that I almost didnt watch, however after seeing 10 episodes I really enjoy it. I can only imagine how many people were in the same position and didnt watch. If critics would stop giving the harsh reviews, maybe people would love shows like this. Of course only listening to critics is wrong, but thats the world that we live in nowadays. That kind of power can make or break careers and enjoyment of potential viewers. I am not sayin recommend it, but I have read ALOT that this was the worst show on Netflix and that is just dishonest reporting. Like I said there are shows that are not even professionaly produced that get less hate than this show does right now. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 18, 2017 18:20:29 GMT -5
My primary complaint about the show so far, five episodes in, is that it's just plain dull and Danny Rand isn't particularly likeable. Like Hayden Christensen Anakin-level unlikeable.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 18, 2017 18:30:25 GMT -5
But in the case of the rotten tomatoes meter, they're based off whether or not it's a positive review. Out of all the reviews, only 17% of the critics have given it a positive review, it's not that the average score given is 17%. As for potentially destroying careers, Critics have no responsibility to the careers of actors/producers, their job is to critique the product that is put in front of them. And even if they did rate it as one of the worst shows ever (which whilst admittedly I haven't read many reviews) not one review I've seen has claimed that. That's not in any way insulting to the entire history of television. I read so much bad stuff about this show that I almost didnt watch, however after seeing 10 episodes I really enjoy it. I can only imagine how many people were in the same position and didnt watch. If critics would stop giving the harsh reviews, maybe people would love shows like this. Of course only listening to critics is wrong, but thats the world that we live in nowadays. That kind of power can make or break careers and enjoyment of potential viewers. I am not sayin recommend it, but I have read ALOT that this was the worst show on Netflix and that is just dishonest reporting. Like I said there are shows that are not even professionaly produced that get less hate than this show does right now. Although there is no doubt there are some critics who are quick to show their snobbery towards certain products, I'm looking at the RT Critics scores for Jessica Jones and it's got a huge approval rating of 93%. Some of those exact same critics who were negative about Iron Fist are very positive about Jessica Jones, so I don't think this is case of snobbery or pre-judgement. As for critics saying things like "worst show on Netflix" then I would dismiss such hyperbole immediately and not pay any attention to their words. I really do think most of the critics are giving it a fair review and are being constructive in their criticisms. Also worth noting is the audience score (88% enjoyed it). I don't think the harsh criticism is going to make that much difference to the viewing figures. If people are interested, they'll watch it and won't give a shit about what Variety magazine thinks of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 18:47:46 GMT -5
I have read ALOT that this was the worst show on Netflix and that is just dishonest reporting. I think that might have just been misinterpretation. I've not seen anyone saying that but I've seen a lot of people saying it's the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows. |
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Post by Renslayer on Mar 18, 2017 18:55:23 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Just finished my first run through Iron Fist and...
I liked it! It starts off super slow, but I guess it made sense to fully establish Danny, Ward & Joy. By episode 3, it's nonstop action with a lot of shocking moments. If I had to rate it out of 10, I'd give it a solid 8.5.
I loved Colleen for most of the show, tho she almost lost me once she started defending The Hand. Glad she snapped it out relatively quickly lol. I do wish there was an episode that gave her some backstory and how she got connected to The Hand. Considering how important she's going to be in Danny's life going forward (& the fact that it's plain old interesting in its own right), they should've found a way to sneak that in.
I love that Claire took on a more physical role here. She's still as awesome as she was when she debuted in Daredevil, and I like that each show has her building on her skills and becoming more comfortable in what she's doing.
If I had to pick a show MVP, it would be Madame Gao. She knee just the right buttons to push in order for Danny, Colleen, & Claire to question everything and examine their true intentions. She needs to play a big role on "The Defenders."
I like that there's a great set up for Season 2. Davos is working with The Hand and has all the motivation in the world to defeat/kill Danny. Gao will push him to become an even more dangerous fighter. And with Joy's resources behind him, it's gonna be a war.
About the big criticism surrounding the show, I get it. White dude becoming kung fu master and being better than everyone else is tired as f*** and it looked as if they were gonna fall into that trap early, especially when Danny went into Colleen's dojo and demeaned the students' training. However, I think we saw throughout the show (& its fight sequences) that Danny still has a lot to learn in order to master his skills.
Last thing before I wrap this up: shout out to Jeri Hogarth. |
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Mar 18, 2017 18:56:01 GMT -5
I have read ALOT that this was the worst show on Netflix and that is just dishonest reporting. I think that might have just been misinterpretation. I've not seen anyone saying that but I've seen a lot of people saying it's the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows. And even that's not the greatest selling point when there's so much good TV out there, period, and so many ways to watch good TV from the past (Hulu, Netflix, CraveTV, etc.). With Marvel and Netflix behind it, you would think Iron Fist would be doing better, creatively and critically speaking, than the nerd version of NCIS (as in, that there will always be an audience to watch these types of shows, irrespective of the quality). |
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Mar 18, 2017 20:14:18 GMT -5
I just watched it and thought it was the worst of the Marvel Netflix originals. The martial arts is okay but felt like it had little heart or creativity (except for episode 8). It had one memorable fight scene for me in 13 episodes. When I'm watching a show based on a martial arts character I just expect more. Especially when Daredevil can do it just fine. It probably has to do with Danny Rand just being dull and making dumb decisions all the time. The rest of the cast was alright, nothing that stood out besides Rosario being great. But as Davos says "You're the worst Ironfist ever".
Feel free to enjoy it though. If it works for you then cheers.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Mar 18, 2017 20:23:59 GMT -5
I've watched episode 2 and... it's not any better. It's certainly not any worse, either. Iron Fist, basically, is a thing that I have watched for 2 hours, but there is nothing that the show has done to make me want to watch another 11 hours. I think there's a possibility of a decent show somewhere, but even trying to watch an episode a day feels like work, not something I do in order to be entertained. Here's a great example of something the show could have done to be interesting, but completely whiffed altogether. {Spoiler}Danny says something like when he was being hit in the face while trainng in K'un L'un was the time in his life when he felt the most focused. Okay. Great. But we don't even see such a moment happen in a flashback.
At the end of the episode, Danny is repeated hit in the face by the guys Ward Meachum has sicced on him. Had we had the flashback to Danny's training in K'un L'un, and then we get a repetition of that moment when Meachum's thugs are beating him up, then he chi's out and kicks all of their asses. And that would have been a great moment to visualize what the show has only told us so far. How? By intercutting Danny's current asskicking with his K'un L'un asskicking, after which he could go 'nah, bro' and lay people out
Think of the scene in Kill Bill when the Bride is buried alive and has to punch her way out of the casket. And then, Tarantino gives viewers an extended flashback of Kiddo's training to show us how and why the moment of her breaking out of the casket is a real triumph, because she had to struggle for months under Pei Mei's tutelage to do the very move she needs to do now lest she die. But we don't get anything like that at all in Iron Fist. Instead, we get constant flashbacks to moments of the plane crash, which happened too often.
Colleen Wing herself in this episode yells the motto that this show should live by: "DO BETTER!" |
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Post by Shai on Mar 18, 2017 20:50:00 GMT -5
I have read ALOT that this was the worst show on Netflix and that is just dishonest reporting. I think that might have just been misinterpretation. I've not seen anyone saying that but I've seen a lot of people saying it's the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows. I could not disagree with that more if I tried. I'm 8 episodes in and I like it better then Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 21:26:19 GMT -5
I think that might have just been misinterpretation. I've not seen anyone saying that but I've seen a lot of people saying it's the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows. I could not disagree with that more if I tried. I'm 8 episodes in and I like it better then Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. I'll have to take your word on that one, I've not watched any of them. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 18, 2017 21:28:16 GMT -5
so if you're Rosario Dawson, at what point do you say f*** it and move out of New York
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 21:29:12 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it so far... I think it's facing the same flaw that a lot of streaming service shows do, just because your show can go over the 44 minute time allowed that network shows are stuck to, doesn't mean it should.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 18, 2017 21:45:21 GMT -5
This killing me. This Ward guy looks just like somebody else but I can't think of who Edit: he looks like Timothy Hutton 2.0  |
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Post by walterharrow on Mar 18, 2017 21:50:50 GMT -5
Just finished the season and I liked it more than Luke Cage but a definitely prefer Daredevil and Jessica Jones
Harold and Ward were the best characters in my opinion. Danny had potential to be a fun, likeable lead character but the writing for him was horrible at times and Finn Jones is just really bland. He's not a bad actor or even a good actor, he's just bland
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 18, 2017 21:53:18 GMT -5
I'm four episodes in and I'm just not getting the hate. Unless it goes south in a hurry, I'm just not seeing anything objectionable here. It's a slow burn, no doubt, and not as action heavy as Daredevil or Luke Cage, but honestly, it's fine by me so far.
Stay tuned.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Mar 18, 2017 22:43:52 GMT -5
just finished. i would rank above Luke Cage but below Daredevil and Jessica Jones. i think Luke Cage and Iron Fist both started off slow (which i'm fine with), but Cage peaked in the middle while Iron Fist stayed strong. also... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}...i don't know if i like the idea of Danny and Colleen being together. i mean he's a Tyrell and she's a Martell bastard. its never going to work out. |
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Post by Starshine on Mar 19, 2017 4:13:18 GMT -5
I'm only two episodes in, but so far there isn't anything here that hooks me nearly as much as any of the other Netflix Marvel series. I try to keep and open mind, but throughout the whole first episode, I was struggling to understand what was going on half the time, why Danny was doing what he was doing, and how much I'm supposed to be invested in this supposed plane crash conspiracy. The bottom line problem for me has been that I'm not finding it all that interesting.
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