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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 9:09:18 GMT -5
Disney: hey, it's not John Carter. That's very sadly true..... Gotta wonder who takes the hit for this. Iger greenlit it just on the premise of how Han got his last name, but I'm sure someone not-as-bigwig gets the boot. |
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Post by Annette on Jun 6, 2018 8:19:28 GMT -5
I work at a movie theater and expected big crowds for this one... not really though. Just as many people were watching Deadpool in it's second weekend, we didn't have any sold-out Solo showings unlike many of the recent big films (Deadpool, Avengers, etc.)
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 6, 2018 8:26:57 GMT -5
I work at a movie theater and expected big crowds for this one... not really though. Just as many people were watching Deadpool in it's second weekend, we didn't have any sold-out Solo showings unlike many of the recent big films (Deadpool, Avengers, etc.) It was relegated to a single screen in its second week at both my local theatres, which doesn't usually happen until the fourth week. At this rate it'll be gone by next week. |
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Post by Annette on Jun 6, 2018 10:51:00 GMT -5
I work at a movie theater and expected big crowds for this one... not really though. Just as many people were watching Deadpool in it's second weekend, we didn't have any sold-out Solo showings unlike many of the recent big films (Deadpool, Avengers, etc.) It was relegated to a single screen in its second week at both my local theatres, which doesn't usually happen until the fourth week. At this rate it'll be gone by next week. We have it on our Emax screen and in several regular theaters, but 3D is done. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 6, 2018 11:09:55 GMT -5
It was relegated to a single screen in its second week at both my local theatres, which doesn't usually happen until the fourth week. At this rate it'll be gone by next week. We have it on our Emax screen and in several regular theaters, but 3D is done. 3D didn't even make it into one of the theatres here. |
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Post by Fade on Jun 6, 2018 13:25:35 GMT -5
Disney: hey, it's not John Carter. That's very sadly true..... Gotta wonder who takes the hit for this. Iger greenlit it just on the premise of how Han got his last name, but I'm sure someone not-as-bigwig gets the boot. There's serious, serious rumors out there that KK will be stepping down soon. Not necessarily because of this (more age than anything) but I can see how this would spurn such a decision further. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 6, 2018 13:44:33 GMT -5
Why step down now though? May as well wait until after Episode IX comes out and tanks as well. For the life of me I don't even know what they can even do or what the draw will be.
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Post by Fade on Jun 6, 2018 14:05:53 GMT -5
i think it's biggest selling point will be promoting it as the "Conclusive Chapter". Despite it absolutely not being it.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 6, 2018 14:36:24 GMT -5
I seriously doubt Episode IX tanks, though if they don't want to continue the downward trend from Episode VII to Episode VIII, then I think they should give it a rest on Star Wars films between now and Episode IX. They can't approach Star Wars like the MCU since Marvel is a far more diverse universe filled with all sorts of different kinds of characters to feature and stories to tell while Star Wars is currently limited to a stricter continuity and needing to rely on specific characters and story events to tell their stories.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jun 6, 2018 18:43:13 GMT -5
The funny thing is, you can tell they have an idea that they shouldn't run these movies so close together, they just went about it in the worst way possible; they almost certainly bumped up Solo to such a busy month because A) they didn't want a scenario where they were releasing a new Star Wars movie every November/December, and B) they wanted breathing room between Solo and Episode IX.
They've fallen into the EA/2K problem, where it's more appealing to the shareholders to release a new movie every year and scrape up every little penny versus taking their time to put out a quality product. Which makes no sense, because Disney has about a hundred different franchises bringing in that constant stream anyway. They could easily hold of a few years between installments.
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Post by brown bricks on Jun 6, 2018 20:59:36 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing this last night. Yeah, I didn't like this at all, though I didn't hate it as much as I hated Last Jedi. It just felt like a dull mess. There was no great reason for this. This felt like something that would've been better suited as a Netflix show or movie. Alden Ehrenreich is not great as Han Solo and doesn't have a quarter of the charm/charisma that Ford had. The only thing saving L3-37 from being worse than Jar Jar Binks is the fact that Jar Jar had more screen time. Just a terrible, cringe-inducing character. Woody Harrelson is the best part of the movie. It's awesome he's in a Star Wars movie, it's just a shame that it had to be this one. You could never see this movie and you'd miss nothing of value.
I'm about to throw a scorching HAWT TAKE out there and say that I think Disney has done a lot more to hurt Star Wars than George Lucas ever did. I feel like I owe George a big apology.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 6, 2018 22:30:40 GMT -5
There is a serious downward trajectory going on with this series though. I don't see Episode IX flopping exactly but if it dips below 1 billion we're into the range of it barely breaking even. Last Jedi made 417 million in profit off of a 1.3 billion dollar haul, so anything under 1 billion is going to eat into those profits to the point where the film barely breaks even.
I think what could end up hurting this series more than an outright boycott is simple apathy. Boycotting a movie is absurd in the first place since all it requires is to simply not go to the theater. That requires zero effort. I really don't care about seeing Solo. It seems like a Redbox rental if I had a free code. Given the dubious direction the main series is going in I will probably go see it but there are some serious Matrix Revolutions vibes about it at this point. It really is scary how similar it is. I remember a friend of mine actually being stoked about Revolutions and I was like "Why? They have nowhere to go with this storyline that makes sense. It won't end with anything decent." The irony is that now he's trying to talk himself up regarding Ep. IX, with stuff like "This has to be good! We have to have a big reveal that Rey is a Skywalker, because if not then what is the F'N point??" Never mind that Luke has never been shown in these to have a wife or anything, nor any mention in Last Jedi that would hint at him being her dad. Nor did Han or Leia ever mention having a long lost daughter, or any real hints from them that would imply Rey is related to Ben/Kylo.
I must admit there is a car wreck appeal to seeing how JJ Abrams tries to spin doctor his way out of the scripting mess that Rian Johnson left for him. What can he even do? Where can it go?
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Post by The Captain on Jun 6, 2018 23:05:06 GMT -5
Eh, the original trilogy did fine with Empire and Jedi doing worse than the original, and depending on which box office figures you look at, ROTJ did slightly worse or slightly better than ESB. Attack of the Clones was also a huge dropoff from Phantom Menace, with Revenge of the Sith doing much better but never quite reaching TPM's numbers.
I think the problem with TLJ is the problem that affects a lot of series like Star Wars: middle of the trilogy syndrome. The middle of the trilogy without the benefit of hindsight is almost always the low point of the stories. As I've heard from people who were alive during the time, the original reception to Empire Strikes Back among fans was apparently about as mixed as today's reactions to TLJ, though TESB also didn't come out during the days of internet and social media, so the backlash isn't as loud as it is now. Maybe Episode IX will deliver a satisfying conclusion and make TLJ look better in retrospect like how ROTJ made people appreciate ESB a lot more than they did at the time of its release. Maybe it won't. I think we're jumping the gun here with the Matrix Revolutions comparison considering the only things we know about it are that JJ Abrams is directing it and Carrie Fisher, unfortunately, won't be there. Remember, ESB ended on as bleak a note (if not bleaker) than TLJ did.
It's funny how nostalgia can take effect, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 4:50:48 GMT -5
I didn't think it was a bad movie, as much as it was just a very generic movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 8:51:41 GMT -5
Silly gripes aside, the true reason I can't stand TLJ was because Rian Johnson crammed three movies worth of material into one. For a "middle" portion of the trilogy, I get you need something to hook the audience, but it seemed like the choices Rian made with making this film interesting will only hurt Episode IX and puts Abrams and his crew in a bind on how to tell a satisfactory ending.
Like, the Resistance is on it's last legs. All of the people who spearheaded the Rebel Alliance are gone, and you can tell the story of inexperienced troops facing insurmountable odds. The problem is... Their enemies are just as weak now, if not even weaker, as both their spiritual leader & top military official are also dead (and even if she did survive, she's been presented as a dork twice), and the one who is now in charge has proved to be easily distracted and is mentally unstable.
You can't do a redemption arc because Kylo already laid waste to the First Order's top figure and is already on the shit list of key supporters, and Rey has virtually done everything possible already without going to the crud bucket of bad Expanded Universe ideas (Reey, anyone?). You could introduce a new First Order executive who could be the generic evildoer in the movie, but that'd likely be pulling stuff out of air.
... having a contingency plan would have really helped these guys out.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jun 7, 2018 9:23:37 GMT -5
Silly gripes aside, the true reason I can't stand TLJ was because Rian Johnson crammed three movies worth of material into one. For a "middle" portion of the trilogy, I get you need something to hook the audience, but it seemed like the choices Rian made with making this film interesting will only hurt Episode IX and puts Abrams and his crew in a bind on how to tell a satisfactory ending. Rian Johnson: "Okay, so for this episode. We need to throw out every mystery set up in the last." Yes-Man #1: "Oh, like, answer them? Interesting!" Rian Johnson: "No, I mean throw them in the f***ing toilet and flush the f***er! Rey's family? Junkie nobodies. Snoke? Let's kill the motherf***er before anyone knows a damn thing about him." Yes-Man #2: "Gee, I dunno Rian, that's bold, maybe-" Rian: "And we need Benicio Del Toro, but let's spike the bastard's food and drinks with as much anti-depressants as we can." Yes-Man #1 (whispering): "Call JJ, now." |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 7, 2018 10:30:41 GMT -5
Eh, the original trilogy did fine with Empire and Jedi doing worse than the original, and depending on which box office figures you look at, ROTJ did slightly worse or slightly better than ESB. Attack of the Clones was also a huge dropoff from Phantom Menace, with Revenge of the Sith doing much better but never quite reaching TPM's numbers. I think the problem with TLJ is the problem that affects a lot of series like Star Wars: middle of the trilogy syndrome. The middle of the trilogy without the benefit of hindsight is almost always the low point of the stories. As I've heard from people who were alive during the time, the original reception to Empire Strikes Back among fans was apparently about as mixed as today's reactions to TLJ, though TESB also didn't come out during the days of internet and social media, so the backlash isn't as loud as it is now. Maybe Episode IX will deliver a satisfying conclusion and make TLJ look better in retrospect like how ROTJ made people appreciate ESB a lot more than they did at the time of its release. Maybe it won't. I think we're jumping the gun here with the Matrix Revolutions comparison considering the only things we know about it are that JJ Abrams is directing it and Carrie Fisher, unfortunately, won't be there. Remember, ESB ended on as bleak a note (if not bleaker) than TLJ did. It's funny how nostalgia can take effect, isn't it? Yeah, it has to be noted that a trilogy not taking in as much box office as it goes on is not exactly anything new, nor are negative reactions when a series tries something different. Bigger issue, I felt, was that Last Jedi was a bit too self-contained a story, which seems to have been a byproduct of Disney seemingly saying "let's do a trilogy but not coordinate an overarching storyline for it and just let the different directors do whatever they want to do with the material". JJ said "let's do a soft reboot (a se-boot!) of the originals to apologize to the fans for the prequels", Johnson said "this series needs a kick in the ass if it's going to thrive going forward", but now that leaves the last movie in a weird place and no real set-up for what the central conflict will be. You could say "the central emotional conflict will be Rey and Kylo", but they basically did all that in Last Jedi and it ended with them clearly on opposing sides. You could say "a central conflict is the heroes having to face their failures", but that's wrapped up already. You could go for new superweapon, but that's just Return of the Jedi again and dear God please no. Empire might have angered a bunch of impossible to please fans, but at least it left things hanging on Han's fate and how Luke would deal with the revelation about Vader; there isn't much set up now besides "other people can use the Force", which is nice, but it's not a central emotional issue to confront. There simply wasn't a story idea here, and we're left with JJ having doe a good-intentioned but derivative love note to the originals and Johnson taking some bold steps that get scaled back by the end and didn't leave a ton of doors open. A trilogy based around either approach would work fine, but now it's likely to feel disjointed, which is too bad because it's not like they're bad movies or anything. As for the side stories, yeah, I'm just not sure they suit Star Wars that well. It's odd, as Star Wars as a universe probably has more diverse stories it can tell than, say, the MCU (which does get thematically repetitive), but the Marvel stuff is a lot more "pick up and play" while movie-goers have been conditioned over the decades to view Star Wars as an ongoing story, not one where you can walk in with no context and just immediately enjoy it to the fullest, aside from A New Hope. Would be nice if Disney would treat some of them as smaller stories with smaller budgets, thus allowing some bigger chances to be taken without as much financial risk. Sadly, that's not the state of business in Hollywood these days. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 7, 2018 11:12:40 GMT -5
IX will make a shitload of $, even if it's disgruntled fans goin to watch out of 'spite'.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 7, 2018 11:42:55 GMT -5
It's not a shock that the 3rd chapters did better than the middle chapter in previous trilogies. Attack of the Clones no doubt suffered from backlash against Phantom Menace, but people were interested in Revenge of the Sith since that was what the prequels had been building to. If we are looking at original box office ROTJ did better than ESB as well, though with the 1997 reissue I think ESB is now ahead worldwide.
There is a massive difference when it comes to Ep. IX. Empire Strikes Back leaves the viewer desperate for more. It's an awesome cliffhanger. What is going on with Vader being Luke's dad? How will they save Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt? Questions must be answered. With ROTS we are wanting to finally see how Anakin turns to the dark side and what happens to the Jedi, even if it is grim stuff. But Ep. IX? I have no idea. The Last Jedi left nothing much on the table to do. The heels came out of it looking like incompetent asses, but the faces looked pretty inept for most of the film as well. It was a major mistake to kill Luke off, or have him join the Force, or whatever.
The biggest mistake however was even having the old characters in the new movies. It never allowed the new characters to truly sink or swim or carry a film. Star Trek: TNG worked on TV because it was set long after the original, so people had no expectation of seeing Shatner, Nimoy, etc. What the new SW movies are is a trilogy of Star Trek Generations, where Kirk sucks all the air out of the room and prevented Picard and Co. from really being the main draw. It wasn't until First Contact that TNG crew really got over in film because it was their own movie, though I guess one could argue that TNG crew never really 100% got over in movies since the movies they did felt kind of like 2 part TV episodes instead of vibrant feature films (other than First Contact of course).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 9, 2018 13:35:54 GMT -5
He pretty well nails it here.
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